GENETICS Ethiopian aDNA (Axum n so n so)

[Xareen]

The ancestors of the pn might have preceded the abkan since the distance between upper nubia and where the pn samples are located seems to be a little to far for them to have descend from a culture that existed in the 4th millennium b.c

They're definitely not proto-cushitic since the 4th millennium b.c is way too recent for that.

Abkan Culture goes back to the early 5th millennium BC bro

 

[NidarNidar]

That definitely feels too tight. In a pre-horse era I dont think any group could have migrated that quick through that large of a distance.

They had donkeys, which we domesticated around 5000 BCE in NEA.

 

[Xareen]

I somewhat disagree. These guys were incredibly mobile. By 3500 BCE they spread over the whole Horn in what looks like less than a century. We have sites as deep as Koonfur, Central Ethiopia and Southern Ethiopia and Woqooyi all within the time frame of ~3500 BCE, if I'm not mistaken. They spread over a region about half the size of the Eastern United States within 100 or so years. That's wild.

There is also evidence that they were cattle-riders:

Early Cushites rode Oxen?

It's been a minute so I thought I'd come back with a quick and interesting post. A few years ago I caught something presented in the finding...

anthromadness.blogspot.com

However, perhaps to your point, they only got down to Kenya 500 years later (~3000 BCE) but that may very well just be because the Horn was so large and bountiful that they didn't feel prompted to migrate out of it in any hurry.

That blogpost is literal gold btw. We need to mythologise warlike ox-riding early Cushites

 

[Shimbiris]

They had donkeys, which we domesticated around 5000 BCE in NEA.

I just had to check and confirm something and I think they're most likely A-Group because we have some minor evidence of incense burning among the PN and incense burning in Nubia originates with... A-Group.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Pastoral Neolithic. Most likely South-Cushitic speaking, Nubian A-Group descended agro-pastoralists who came down from Lower Nubia and wider Sudan into the Horn and then into Southeast Africa and are in large part why the Tutsi exist as they are now but also left behind groups like the Iraqw and influenced others like the Maasai and Datooga alongside later waves of East-Cushites who also expanded a little into SE Africa.

That one E-Z813 ancient is definitely one of those later waves of East Cushites.

 

[Midas]

I somewhat disagree. These guys were incredibly mobile. By 3500 BCE they spread over the whole Horn in what looks like less than a century. We have sites as deep as Koonfur, Central Ethiopia and Southern Ethiopia and Woqooyi all within the time frame of ~3500 BCE, if I'm not mistaken. They spread over a region about half the size of the Eastern United States within 100 or so years. That's wild.

There is also evidence that they were cattle-riders:

Early Cushites rode Oxen?

It's been a minute so I thought I'd come back with a quick and interesting post. A few years ago I caught something presented in the finding...

anthromadness.blogspot.com

However, perhaps to your point, they only got down to Kenya 500 years later (~3000 BCE) but that may very well just be because the Horn was so large and bountiful that they didn't feel prompted to migrate out of it in any hurry.

I cant belive i forgot the cattle riding part.

They had donkeys, which we domesticated around 5000 BCE in NEA.

Its possible the early cushites were aslo responsible for the newly found african cattle domestication that happened 10,000 years ago.

 

[Midas]

That blogpost is literal gold btw. We need to mythologise warlike ox-riding early Cushites

Dont forget astrological megalith building

 

[The alchemist]

Oh, on the previous conversation about these Habash names among Somalis. Yeah, the Abyssinians used to kidnap the kids of Somali rulers and raise them in their court. Later, those guys would end up back in their places of origin, one way or another. @Shimbiris was right. This is documented extensively. This Dawit guy definitely was in Habash lands taken by force at some point in his life, but came back and reclaimed his heritage while his name was the same.

I also read that at some point they took one of the sons of one of the sultans, indoctrinated him, and they wanted him to be their puppet later. I don't remember the rest, since this was from a while back and I only read the source to find something else. But it was in a book.

 

[The alchemist]

Dont forget astrological megalith building
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The people from that region are our direct ancestors. But let's not derail the topic too much. There is much to discuss on this topic itself, and what you mention there is a massive one that requires another thread.

 

[Midas]

The people from that region are our direct ancestors. But let's not derail the topic too much. There is much to discuss on this topic itself, and what you mention there is a massive one that requires another thread.

Im curious what's your take on some of these samples being more eurasian shifted than modern ethio-semites.

 

[NidarNidar]

Oh, on the previous conversation about these Habash names among Somalis. Yeah, the Abyssinians used to kidnap the kids of Somali rulers and raise them in their court. Later, those guys would end up back in their places of origin, one way or another. @Shimbiris was right. This is documented extensively. This Dawit guy definitely was in Habash lands taken by force at some point in his life, but came back and reclaimed his heritage while his name was the same.

I also read that at some point they took one of the sons of one of the sultans, indoctrinated him, and they wanted him to be their puppet later. I don't remember the rest, since this was from a while back and I only read the source to find something else. But it was in a book.

I knew I wasn't going crazy, I just can't remember where I read it.

 

[The alchemist]

Im curious what's your take on some of these samples being more eurasian shifted than modern ethio-semites.

Because they're of an earlier genetic extraction that settled somewhere and kept themselves secluded for a while. Think of it as a founder effect, post-stabilization (meaning the early version of Medieval Habash, like the Tigrays, but the earlier phase, not the archaic Yeha period, which would be higher in South Arabian, variantly), but in those earlier variations.

They are like 58-63% Eurasian. That is as Eurasian as Hadendowa and Beni Amer samples. We're talking 30-35% Arab here.