Entire History of the Somali Civil-War [Timeline ]

[Canuck]

Basically it was man made famine, forced starvation by Aideed forces and Kacaan forces and there are estimation that over 300 000 died as results of this. We are naturally biased due to our upbringing and dont take it personal. Im biased towards Kacaan and got it trough the breastmilk. But good thread anyways bro.

First I was sorry for the death of innocent life at that famine, but It was aideed 'S fault. The Rahanweyn sided with aideed during the civil war. And he refused to help them or allowUN's food to them. They should choose better ally than Aideed. Morgan burnt their corps and food because they attacked and tortured the darood refugees (who were fleeing from Mogadishu to kismayo). Again it was very cruel thing to burn their food like that and I am sorry to their ordeal.

 

[waraabe]

First I was sorry for the death of innocent life at that famine, but It was aideed 'S fault. The Rahanweyn sided with aideed during the civil war. And he refused to help them or allowUN's food to them. They should choose better ally than Aideed. Morgan burnt their corps and food because they attacked and tortured the darood refugees (who were fleeing from Mogadishu to kismayo). Again it was very cruel thing to burn their food like that and I am sorry to their ordeal.

it was both the the fault of the usc and kacaanist militia that caused the starvation of those Somalis

 

[Malcolm X]

Was ICU really ultra conservative?

From my own research, ICU wasn't that conservative. Many of negative stories about ICU were fake.

I'd consider them to be conservative but not ultra conservative, certainly not extremist.

 

[waraabe]

Was ICU really ultra conservative?

From my own research, ICU wasn't that conservative. Many of negative stories about ICU were fake.

I'd consider them to be conservative but not ultra conservative, certainly not extremist.

nah they weren't

 

[Somali psycho]

All I know is that Koonfur Isaaq and Dir clans protected each other when the civil war broke out. That's why I was surprised by the anti Dir sentiments coming from some of Isaqs, but I guess it's a different dynamics up north.

 

[Canuck]

it was both the the fault of the usc and kacaanist militia that caused the starvation of those Somalis

It was civil war and USC was their ally that should help them but Aideed rejected to help them. Rahanweyn Choose to join USC 's side in the war and took part in over throwing the government that always protects them(60, 70,80).

 

[Malcolm X]

nah they weren't

I guess we threw away another chance to end the war then

 

[Canuck]

At the future be careful

Was ICU really ultra conservative?

From my own research, ICU wasn't that conservative. Many of negative stories about ICU were fake.

I'd consider them to be conservative but not ultra conservative, certainly not extremist.

And they were from all tribes not just hawyie.

 

[waraabe]

It was civil war and USC was their ally that should help them but Aideed rejected to help them. Rahanweyn Choose to join USC 's side in the war and took part in over throwing the government that always protects them(60, 70,80).

listen both the usc and the kacaanist caused the starvation, no point in trying to blame it on usc because as you said the kacaanists burned their farms. Also its nonsense that the kacaan protected them when lots of their farms were taken by the kacaan

 

[waraabe]

I guess we threw away another chance to end the war then

yes reer Somalia threw away their chance to have peace but you have to blame the greedy abdulhi Yusuf who invited the rest of the world's armies to boot them out

 

[Odeg]

First I was sorry for the death of innocent life at that famine, but It was aideed 'S fault. The Rahanweyn sided with aideed during the civil war. And he refused to help them or allowUN's food to them. They should choose better ally than Aideed. Morgan burnt their corps and food because they attacked and tortured the darood refugees (who were fleeing from Mogadishu to kismayo). Again it was very cruel thing to burn their food like that and I am sorry to their ordeal.

When thousand children starve its not the right thing to point fingers on who takes the biggest blame. The Kacaan and USC created this condition and brought conflict to their land. I feel for them too.

 

[Canuck]

listen both the usc and the kacaanist caused the starvation, no point in trying to blame it on usc because as you said the kacaanists burned their farms. Also its nonsense that the kacaan protected them when lots of their farms were taken by the kacaan

It was Morgan who burnt the farms not kacaan and they did it because they attacked fleeing refugees. It was responsibility of their allies to help them in dangerous time like that. What's the point of having ally if they don't rescue you?

 

[Canuck]

When thousand children starve its not the right thing to point fingers on who takes the biggest blame. The Kacaan and USC created this condition and brought conflict to their land. I feel for them too.

Just kill Morgan and end the blame, honestly he lives in garowe and doesn't have lot of security. It was his orders.

 

[Rooble]

All I know is that Koonfur Isaaq and Dir clans protected each other when the civil war broke out. That's why I was surprised by the anti Dir sentiments coming from some of Isaqs, but I guess it's a different dynamics up north.

In his “The Cost of Dictatorship” book, Jama Ghalib (an Isaq) witnesses the contributions paid by the Southern Dir clans and Hawiye to the SNM in early 1980s. If there were no blood ties, then why wouldn’t they pay the same contributions to the SSDF, which was Majerteen opposition faction?
The barbaric actions of the late dictator Siyad Barre against the Isaq people are regrettable and his living generals should hold liable to the heinous crimes committed against the civilian populations. However, Siyad Barre’s barbaric actions were not limited to the Isaq towns alone. He burned villages, destroyed water wells and massacred civilians in the Mudug, Lower Jubba, Hiran and Mogadishu. Moreover, what happened in Hargeisa and Burao may also be blamed on the SNM commanders, whose military blunders and miscalculations had caused the destruction of whole towns and massacre of innocent civilians. The SNM’s ferocious kamakazi style attack on Hargeisa and Burao gave the tyrant every excuse to hit back and hit hard. Should the SNM take a different military strategy, what happened to Hargeisa and Burao would have been averted. Therefore, the SNM commanders are equally liable and should be questions of what their intentions were. Were their intentions to overthrow Siyad Barre or give a ruthless tyrant a pretext to destroy their towns and people?



I hope Southern Dir and Hawiye learn from their mistakes.

 

[oday1kenobi]

All I know is that Koonfur Isaaq and Dir clans protected each other when the civil war broke out. That's why I was surprised by the anti Dir sentiments coming from some of Isaqs, but I guess it's a different dynamics up north.

It's more HA against Samaroon and vice-versa since they border eachother. Most Isaaqs who lived south/xamar greatly respect koonfur Dir (including my own parents who lived and worked in Xamar pre-civil war).

 

[waraabe]

All I know is that Koonfur Isaaq and Dir clans protected each other when the civil war broke out. That's why I was surprised by the anti Dir sentiments coming from some of Isaqs, but I guess it's a different dynamics up north.

yes it was different, in the north the samaroon were armed by the kacaan and all the goods looted from Hargeisa were taken to borama and then later sold in Ethiopia

 

[John Michael]

Just kill Morgan and end the blame, honestly he lives in garowe and doesn't have lot of security. It was his orders.

Wth Morgan should not JUST be killed that would cause another civil war. It would be "why was my warlord killed but yours is still alive"


People really need to move the f*ck on. Seriously. People are dying right now.

 

[waraabe]

It's more Isaaq/HA against Samaroon and vice-versa since they border eachother. Most Isaaqs who lived south/xamar greatly respect koonfur Dir (including my own parents who lived and worked in Xamar pre-civil war).

not isaaq, just say HA

 

[Simodi]

maashalah @Rooble look 4 organizations for Samaroon and Issa we really need to unite we would dstry anyone in our way the days of ppl pinnin our clans against each other shld stop Samroon iyo Ciise waa mid waa walaalo

 

[Rooble]

@oday1kenobi Alla been badanida they hate Samaroon as Samaroon.


They hate Southern Dir cause they claim them as Dir.