Do you think Somalia needs its own Atatürk?

[Thegoodshepherd]

Would you trade your religion for money? Thats exactly what happened when the European colonialist gave us our so called independence (how when we're sovereign & have God given inalienable rights is anyone's guess) if you listen to this brother xaaji maxamed yasin who was a parliament member said there was a marrano Jewish Italian man going around with a briefcase full of money telling Somali parliamentarian members to vote for secularism instead of the divine shariah law which is incumbent upon us as Muslims,he said most of the parliament members voted for secularism, it was just him and two others who voted for shariah law hence our fall from grace.

Shariah has never been law in Somali or among the various Somali people in the horn. We used to wed women who were raped to the rapist, steal livestock from each other for centuries, and kill for the slightest of things. Somali politicians have always been quiet secularists, similar to Egypt in that respect.

The main problem in the Muslim world is that Shariah law has not been codified, and specific punishments assigned to specific violations. This causes huge problems because then you have Qadis who are coming up with their own interpretation for every ruling. It essentially becomes arbitrary. This is the problem faced by every party that wins elections across the Muslim world and then tries to bring in Sharia. Somalia is getting better but it is still a very fragile country, I think it is too soon to start overhauling a judicial system under these circumstances. Besides Somalia has no strong ruler to apply sharia, anyone who tries to apply sharia in a failed state does not understand the religion.

 

[The_Cosmos]

Shariah has never been law in Somali or among the various Somali people in the horn. We used to wed women who were raped to the rapist, steal livestock from each other for centuries, and kill for the slightest of things. Somali politicians have always been quiet secularists, similar to Egypt in that respect.

The main problem in the Muslim world is that Shariah law has not been codified, and specific punishments assigned to specific violations. This causes huge problems because then you have Qadis who are coming up with their own interpretation for every ruling. It essentially becomes arbitrary. This is the problem faced by every party that wins elections across the Muslim world and then tries to bring in Sharia. Somalia is getting better but it is still a very fragile country, I think it is too soon to start overhauling a judicial system under these circumstances. Besides Somalia has no strong ruler to apply sharia, anyone who tries to apply sharia in a failed state does not understand the religion.

I agree and disagree. Somalis nomads were just barbarous people who fought and killed each other whilst Somali states/empires did establish shariah somewhat from my understanding.

I disagree when you say that shariah has never been codified, the shariah is very well understood but modern Muslims are highly disingenuous when it comes to matters about Islam. Nobody can debate that the shariah calls for the death of apostates, cutting off hands of theives, women not being allowed to leave without male relatives, stoning adulterers and so on. Countries like Saudi Arabia (no matter how corrupt) actually enforce these laws but Muslims still maintain that nobody enforces shariah to its full potential.

Muslims understand that the morals of the shariah are incompatible with the modern world and so they interpret the laws differently so they can adjust it to modern times.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

A codefidied law is need, most importantly a constitution that makes a framework possible and a legitimate leadership and executive to carry out the law. Lack of state institutions and seperatist movements in the form of clans, that want self-rule and oppose dictates from the capital makes this impossible in the short-term, and as such they must rely on informal law such as Xeer until a central state appratus has been rebuild and with a leadership elected in fair and open election, most likely in the form of unity governments for the foreseeable future to offset clan-rivalry.

It seems to stand to reason that Somali's would welcome any central governance that effectively deliver services such as food, water, electricity, healthcare, education and basic infrastructure but the long-term vitality of such a governance depends on its legitimacy among clans, which is at the heart of somali politics for now and any foreseeable future.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Shariah has never been law in Somali or among the various Somali people in the horn. We used to wed women who were raped to the rapist, steal livestock from each other for centuries, and kill for the slightest of things. Somali politicians have always been quiet secularists, similar to Egypt in that respect.

The main problem in the Muslim world is that Shariah law has not been codified, and specific punishments assigned to specific violations. This causes huge problems because then you have Qadis who are coming up with their own interpretation for every ruling. It essentially becomes arbitrary. This is the problem faced by every party that wins elections across the Muslim world and then tries to bring in Sharia. Somalia is getting better but it is still a very fragile country, I think it is too soon to start overhauling a judicial system under these circumstances. Besides Somalia has no strong ruler to apply sharia, anyone who tries to apply sharia in a failed state does not understand the religion.

How could you call yourself a Muslim & not believe in the shariah? Shariah has not been codified so you ignore the over 1300 years of caliphate not to mention the first rightful khaliphs? If you think democracy can stop qabyalad then I got Big Ben for sale, shariah is the only remedy for our illness as a people.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Could you verify with objective evidence for what you claim? This video is not evidence because it could have been created by anyone.

People such as yourself hate Charles Darwin even though he has evidence to back up everything he says but you prefer badly made videos with no credentials and claim it to be truth. I don't call you crazy because your insane but because you say crazy shit and refuse to back it up. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Now, you'll claim o was indoctrinated by the media and I'll tell you that I take everything they say with a grain of salt. I'll ask you this. Do you not follow the religion you was born in and if you was born Christian do you honestly believe that you would have been a Muslim today. I was born Muslim but became atheist through long periods of doubts that showed me what I refused to see. You remind me a little about myself only I wasn't as hard headed.

London, known for its historical landmarks, modern skyscrapers, ancient markets and famous bridges. It's arguably the financial capital of the world and home to over eleven thousand people.

Wait, what? Eleven... thousand?

That's right: but the City of London is a different place from London -- though London is also known for its historical landmarks, modern skyscrapers, ancient markets, famous bridges and is home to the government, royal family and seven million people.

But, if you look map of London crafted by a careful cartographer that map will have a one-square mile hole near the middle -- it's here where the City of London lives inside of the city named London.

Despite these confusingly close names the two Londons have separate city halls and elect separate mayors, who collect separate taxes to fund separate police who enforce separate laws.

The Mayor of the City of London has a fancy title 'The Right Honourable the Lord Mayor of London' to match his fancy outfit. He also gets to ride in a golden carriage and work in a Guildhall while the mayor of London has to wear a suit, ride a bike and work in an office building.

The City of London also has its own flag and its own crest which is awesome and makes London's lack of either twice as sad.

To top it off the City of London gets to act more like one of the countries in the UK than just an oddly located city -- for uniquely the corporation that runs the city of London is older than the United Kingdom by several hundred years.

http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-secret-city-of-london.html

 

[The_Cosmos]

London, known for its historical landmarks, modern skyscrapers, ancient markets and famous bridges. It's arguably the financial capital of the world and home to over eleven thousand people.

Wait, what? Eleven... thousand?

That's right: but the City of London is a different place from London -- though London is also known for its historical landmarks, modern skyscrapers, ancient markets, famous bridges and is home to the government, royal family and seven million people.

But, if you look map of London crafted by a careful cartographer that map will have a one-square mile hole near the middle -- it's here where the City of London lives inside of the city named London.

Despite these confusingly close names the two Londons have separate city halls and elect separate mayors, who collect separate taxes to fund separate police who enforce separate laws.

The Mayor of the City of London has a fancy title 'The Right Honourable the Lord Mayor of London' to match his fancy outfit. He also gets to ride in a golden carriage and work in a Guildhall while the mayor of London has to wear a suit, ride a bike and work in an office building.

The City of London also has its own flag and its own crest which is awesome and makes London's lack of either twice as sad.

To top it off the City of London gets to act more like one of the countries in the UK than just an oddly located city -- for uniquely the corporation that runs the city of London is older than the United Kingdom by several hundred years.

http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-secret-city-of-london.html

Are you taking about the Lord Mayor of London? It's not actually a secret.

f*ck this I'm not going to entertain this shit. I asked for objective evidence he gives me cheap videos and blogs.



Horta why do you live in Gaalo land of you despise them so much?

 

[The_Cosmos]

How could you call yourself a Muslim & not believe in the shariah? Shariah has not been codified so you ignore the over 1300 years of caliphate not to mention the first rightful khaliphs? If you think democracy can stop qabyalad then I got Big Ben for sale, shariah is the only remedy for our illness as a people.

The Rashidun empire fell because the companions butchered each other like savages. All the prophet had to do was assign a leader but instead he let his grand kids die.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Are you taking about the Lord Mayor of London? It's not actually a secret.

f*ck this I'm not going to entertain this shit. I asked for objective evidence he gives me cheap videos and blogs.



Horta why do you live in Gaalo land of you despise them so much?

There is an institution with a murky history and remarkable powers that acts like a political and financial island within our island nation state. Welcome to the Square Mile and the City of London Corporation.

The bill concerned the City of London Corporation, the local-government authority for the 1.2-square-mile slab of prime real estate in central London that is the City of London. The corporation is an ancient, semi-alien entity lodged inside the British nation state; a "prehistoric monster which had mysteriously survived into the modern world", as a 19th-century would-be City reformer put it. The words remain apt today. Few people care that London has a mayor and a lord mayor - but they should: the corporation is an offshore island inside Britain, a tax haven in its own right.

http://www.newstatesman.com/economy/2011/02/london-corporation-city

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

The Rashidun empire fell because the companions butchered each other like savages. All the prophet had to do was assign a leader but instead he let his grand kids die.

Prophet doesn't choose cause he's merely a slave, the all benevolent chooses & indeed he's chosen Abu bakr may Allah be pleased with him.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Let me ask you mr cosmos kkkkk who owns the Bank of England & the federal reserves bank?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Do you know the difference between admiralty law & common law?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Pages/default.aspx
Welcome to the City of London Corporation


History of the government of the City of London

The City of London is the oldest continuous municipal democracy in the world and predates Parliament.

Its constitution is rooted in the ancient rights and privileges enjoyed by citizens before the Norman Conquest in 1066. The City of London developed a unique form of government which led to the system of parliamentary government at local and national level.

That London enjoyed certain freedoms and had a form of civic administration before the Norman conquest, can be seen in the Charter granted by William the Conqueror in 1067, in which he promised to recognise the rights, privileges and laws that the City had enjoyed since the time of Edward the Confessor (1042-62). In Saxon London and in the medieval period, municipal authority rested principally with Aldermen ('elder' men or elderfolk), who met in the City's ancient Court of Husting - the supreme court of the medieval City, with administrative and judicial functions. There is reliable evidence of its existence in 1032, although it was probably much older, and by the mid-12th century it was held weekly. It is likely that the Court of Aldermen developed from the administrative side of the work of the Court of Husting.

The right of the City to run its own affairs was gradually won as concessions were gained from the Crown. London's importance as a centre of trade, population and wealth secured it rights and liberties earlier than other towns and cities. From medieval to Stuart times the City was the major source of financial loans to monarchs, who sought funds to support their policies at home and abroad. In early times London was two cities – the trading and residential City of London and the royal, administrative and religious West-minster. As London grew, the City specialised in trade.