Do You Think Sharia Law is Good?

Do you think sharia law is good?


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What makes those killings different from Al Shabab? Didn't the Sahaba kill each other? The fact of the matter is one is on the Xaq aqeedah and the other is a khariji.
Look im not going to act smart and speak on things that over reach my current knowledge.

All i am saying is i am a muslim. In order for one to remain Muslim they need to believe in Sharia. I do not agree with how Al-Shabab conducts Sharia.

Do you believe in Sharia? Are you muslim?
 
I explained my side enough what is your side? Do you believe in Sharia? Do you want Somalia to be Sharia?
I'll answer now. I believe in Islamic law and it should be preserved in government. I want Somalia to do a better job on that but that doesn't mean we should have the exact same law as every Muslim country and make a consensus on what real "Sharia" is. We should have a constitution based upon what Somalis agree upon so long as it does not go against the Quran and sunnah. I believe we should have Islamic supreme court justices to make sure we don't go against Islam. This is my definition of Islamic Sharia and many may agree but not everyone.
 

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I'll answer now. I believe in Islamic law and it should be preserved in government. I want Somalia to do a better job on that but that doesn't mean we should have the exact same law as every Muslim country and make a consensus on what real "Sharia" is. We should have a constitution based upon what Somalis agree upon so long as it does not go against the Quran and sunnah. I believe we should have Islamic supreme court justices to make sure we don't go against Islam. This is my definition of Islamic Sharia and many may agree but not everyone.
We agree thenπŸ˜‚ idk what this whole debate was about.

Sharia is very flexible and can be harsh or just on its people depends on who makes the rulings. However sharia judges would need to be taught only is Somalia and not foreign universities. Because i believe they might bring their brand of sharia.
 
Look im not going to act smart and speak on things that over reach my current knowledge.

All i am saying is i am a muslim. In order for one to remain Muslim they need to believe in Sharia. I do not agree with how Al-Shabab conducts Sharia.

Do you believe in Sharia? Are you muslim?
This proves you haven't studied much walaal. Sharia means law. To be a Muslim you have to believe in the five pillars of Islam and there is no "Sharia" in there. Islam is not a state constitution, state constitutions are shaped by Islam. So the rules of Islam are the Islamic sharia but they act as a regulation for anything not just a constitution. If that were the case, we wouldn't have had distinct constitutions/codes for every Muslim country, and caliphate historically. Even the government systems were different yet the only time we here about true Sharia is the coming of ISIS.
 
We agree thenπŸ˜‚ idk what this whole debate was about.

Sharia is very flexible and can be harsh or just on its people depends on who makes the rulings. However sharia judges would need to be taught only is Somalia and not foreign universities. Because i believe they might bring their brand of sharia.
We don't agree. You can't establish what a khariji is nor can you state that the Somali government is a legitimate Muslim government. By that basis, you would lose your argument from every direction to Al Shabab and other khariji groups. This is most countries that just think this way have a high rate of terrorism. Somalia pre-civil war was filled with jahili people but they could sense a kharji easy.
 

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To be a Muslim you have to believe in the five pillars of Islam and there is no "Sharia" in there.
I agree with most of what you said but this part is what i disagree with. Sharia is gods law. If you choose something else over it then you are saying that you would rather rule with man-made ideologies than sharia which is kufr.
We don't agree. You can't establish what a khariji is nor can you state that the Somali government is a legitimate Muslim government. By that basis, you would lose your argument from every direction to Al Shabab and other khariji groups. This is most countries that just think this way have a high rate of terrorism. Somalia pre-civil war was filled with jahili people but they could sense a kharji easy.
Maybe i cant but i am not saying i am a student of knowledge. At the end of the day we are just random people posting on a somali forum.
 
I agree with most of what you said but this part is what i disagree with. Sharia is gods law. If you choose something else over it then you are saying that you would rather rule with man-made ideologies than sharia which is kufr.

Maybe i cant but i am not saying i am a student of knowledge. At the end of the day we are just random people posting on a somali forum.
You have now said that 99% of Muslim countries are murtad and the historical caliphates. We are not random people, you my friend are easy game for terrorist khariji propaganda.
 

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You have now said that 99% of Muslim countries are murtad and the historical caliphates. We are not random people, you my friend are easy game for terrorist khariji propaganda.
I would have to do more research to make a more knowledgable answer. All i know is i despise those like alshabab isis and boku haram.
 
If you’re a Muslim then you believe in sharia praying 5 times a day is sharia every law or order in the Quran and sunnah is sharia so if u disagree with the pure sharia of following the Quran and the sunnah and the salaf and the ahlul bayt and the khalaf then u are a KAAAAAAFIIRRRRR
 
Now with regards to which is better the sharia or secularism No country practises sharia correctly
On what basis can you say your Laws are better than mine secularism has many flaws it changes all the time it’s subjective and the spearhead of secularism the US has one of the highest crime rates globally. Now look at the gulf who are stable, rich and carry some sort of the sharia not entirely tho
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Now with regards to which is better the sharia or secularism No country practises sharia correctly
On what basis can you say your Laws are better than mine secularism has many flaws it changes all the time it’s subjective and the spearhead of secularism the US has one of the highest crime rates globally. Now look at the gulf who are stable, rich and carry some sort of the sharia not entirely tho
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The key reason to the Gulf states having low crime rates is because they have massive immigrant populations who will be stripped of their residency status if they commit a crime. There is an element of selection bias as these foreign workers are less likely to commit crime
 
What do we mean by Islamic law 'Shari'a law'? How does Islamic law compare with Roman law (from which Common law, mostly practised in the English speaking world with its roots in the Bible, as in Shari'a al Masih, and with some in Shar'a al Musa); on the same token, when speaking of Islamic law, one is speaking of 'Fiqi', which has its roots in the Qur'an.

Precedent, which is whence law, excluding judiciary, particularly Common law, has its foundation, deriving esteem from morality and ethics heavily influenced by religion, Christianity in the case of Common law.

Let us now pitch Islamic law versus Common law, and in doing so, and for a meaningful discourse, let us map out what areas of law apply in the following pertinent areas:
a) Contracts,
b) Tort,
c) Property,
d) Inheritance,
e) Personal to name some core aspects of law.

How does the former compare with, and to the latter under each of the said areas, and observe wherein one finds equity, and just.
a) Let us begin with 'Financing', a subset of Contract law, which is rather simple to follow; say, one borrows half a million to finance a home, at a current going rate in the US, of 7% plus 2% APR for a fixed thirty year mortgage. One's annual mortgage payment is estimated at 48,277, of which 44,861 is of interest whereas 3,415 goes towards principal, in its initial annum.

If the mortgage is amortised, at the end of its life cycle, it would have cost the mortgagee 1.5 million with almost a million (948,325.20 to be more precise) being interest.

It is a different story if the rate is adjustable, where it could rise, say as high as 21%, as has happened in the past, and does happen to poorer borrowers, who end up losing their properties along with equity, as and when the property market tanks.

Under the Common law, this is permissible.

Under Islamic law, it is not permissible for the following reasons: it is excessive, and exploitative of those most in need, whilst only benefiting fat cats.

Instead, 'murabaha*', or cost-plus financing, which is agreed upon between contracting parties is agreed upon, hardly changes throughout the instrument's lifecycle, and is considered neither prohibitive to the lender, nor exploitative to borrower. The only possibly losing party is the issuing house, which services mortgage instruments, which should not exist in the first place.

Out of self-interest, of the two, if you were a fresh graduate in the housing market, seeking h(er)is American dream. which would you favour, as the mortgagee?

b) Let us look at taxation, where in the US, the poorer, one is, the higher the tax bracket; for example, a single mother working in two jobs is taxed at a rate of 22% whereas a wealthy investor either pays no taxes, or is taxed from 7% - 12%, most of which is deferred to a latter date, written off as a loss, and potentially never paid.

This requires further explanation, but shall pause there for the day.

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Footnotes:
* Murabaha, a cost-plus financing structure, in Islamic financing, is a cost, and markup agreed between buyer, and seller in the purchase of an asset, property in this instance.

Postscript:
A relevant tangent, but perhaps under another sunrise, let us draw a distinction between Islamic law, and how Muslims practise, where majority of Muslims know nigh to nought about its teachings.
 
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