Arabs from the middle East ruled Spain. what are you talking about?Yes you know how the amazigh took over and ruled Spain until they lost it.
Would’ve been different if Arabs from Middle East ruled Spain rather then amazigh ?
It is to the credit of the Almoravids as Muslim rulers that without their intervention Muslim Spain would almost certainly have succumbed to the Christians 200 years sooner than it did (Barbour 1966, 60).
Yes but the abbasids didn’t own/conquer/take Spain/Portugal from the umayyad.They did. Banu Umayyad ruled Hispania after being overthrown by the Abbasids
Yes until the amazigh took over the Arabs .Arabs from the middle East ruled Spain. what are you talking about?
Arabs didn’t lose the Berbersarabs were already defeated by berbers in 740 and you think they would have kept it longer than berbers ?
Al andalus actually survived a few more centuries thanks to berbers :
What are you talking about ? They got defeated by berbers in 740 in the maghreb and that's before the Abbassid takeover and it's also berbers who put an end to the umayyad dynasty in al andalus during the XIth century.Arabs didn’t lose the Berbers
What you mean is banu umayyad lost power in the Berber lands because they got overthrown by banu hashim aka the abbaisds.
The funny things is that
Even tho the umayyad lost power in North Africa , Middle East
One place they didn’t was Spain and they ruled it for a long time I would say nearly 300 years.
but the Berbers lost Spain against the Christian Spanish
Muslims experienced the most loss of territory during the period of Taifas, after the disintegration of the Ummayad Caliphate into rump principalities (Taifa) that fought among themselves and sometimes allying with Christian states against another Taifa. There were both Arab and Berber dynasties ruling the various Taifas.Arabs didn’t lose the Berbers
What you mean is banu umayyad lost power in the Berber lands because they got overthrown by banu hashim aka the abbaisds.
The funny things is that
Even tho the umayyad lost power in North Africa , Middle East
One place they didn’t was Spain and they ruled it for a long time I would say nearly 300 years.
but the Berbers lost Spain against the Christian Spanish
Don't worry, there has recently been a campaign to rewrite Islamic history to award things to Arabs when In fact it was the Berbers and Persians who did the most for Islam.What are you talking about ? They got defeated by berbers in 740 in the maghreb and that's before the Abbassid takeover and it's also berbers who put an end to the umayyad dynasty in al andalus during the XIth century.
Before the arrival of the Almoravids, the Christians were already taking over large parts of their territory. Let's not even talk about the time of the tawa'if
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Also during umayyad times, it's the berbers who again patrolled along the marches and kept Cordoba safe lol
They think bedouin tribes from the Hijaz (literally one of the less advanced place of the peninsula) suddenly brought science and architecture to the maghreb and al andalus. Umayyad architecture itself mostly derives from byzantine and sassanid architecture.Don't worry, there has recently been a campaign to rewrite Islamic history to award things to Arabs when In fact it was the Berbers and Persians who did the most for Islam.
No hate to Arabs though but some things about them ruling Spain and discovering things that were discovered by Persians is just a lie
Arabians were simply good a conquering but they were not some advanced peoples. They absorbed other more developed peoples into their sphere with Islam and the Arabic languageThey think bedouin tribes from the Hijaz (literally one of the less advanced place of the peninsula) suddenly brought science and architecture to the maghreb and al andalus. Umayyad architecture itself mostly derives from byzantine and sassanid architecture.
They were not especially better than others at conquering. Expansion of Islam and arab armies occured at a time when both Byzantine and Sassanids were at their lowest point and were recovering from decades of conflicts between them. Arabs struggled in the maghreb and got expelled from Morocco and Algeria only 30 years after the initial conquest. Conquest of Iberia was made by berbers and the army that conquered the maghreb under Hassan al nu'man included 10k-12k berbers.Arabians were simply good a conquering but they were not some advanced peoples. They absorbed other more developed peoples into their sphere with Islam and the Arabic language
You speaking about the Berber revolt ? There is Arabs also played part on thatWhat are you talking about ? They got defeated by berbers in 740 in the maghreb and that's before the Abbassid takeover and it's also berbers who put an end to the umayyad dynasty in al andalus during the XIth century.
Before the arrival of the Almoravids, the Christians were already taking over large parts of their territory. Let's not even talk about the time of the tawa'if
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Also during umayyad times, it's the berbers who again patrolled along the marches and kept Cordoba safe lol
That’s just wrongDon't worry, there has recently been a campaign to rewrite Islamic history to award things to Arabs when In fact it was the Berbers and Persians who did the most for Islam.
No hate to Arabs though but some things about them ruling Spain and discovering things that were discovered by Persians is just a lie
Yes ?They think bedouin tribes from the Hijaz (literally one of the less advanced place of the peninsula) suddenly brought science and architecture to the maghreb and al andalus. Umayyad architecture itself mostly derives from byzantine and sassanid architecture.
Arabs got humiliated and severely defeated during the berber revolt. After that the region wasn't ruled by Umayyads nor later Abbassids. The Idrissid dynasty was muslim berbers making a direct descendant of the prophet their ruler but Idriss had no arab army and never conquered or defeated any berber.You speaking about the Berber revolt ? There is Arabs also played part on that
Morocco first dynasty was made by an Arab so I don’t really understand it
I see it as more fighting for the rights of other Muslims against Umayyad.
I haven’t said the Umayyad didn’t lose lands in Spain against the Christians now you’ve putting words into my mouth
The Arabs was the better rulers then the Berbers when it comes to Spain and they held it better also what evidence you have for the last part ?
Berbers played an important role in defending the marches against Christian incursions, with the result that the amirs often granted iqta' land (which gave the holder usufruct from land in exchange for military service) to Berber families. In the tenth century, 'Abd al-Rahman III made heavy use of Berber military allies. He also appointed Berbers to important administrative positions; he made Muhammad ibn 'abd allah ibn 'abi Isa, a descendent of Yahya ibn Yahya, chief qadi of Cordoba and used him as an ambassador to the marches, where the notables upon whom the caliph depended for military support were often Berber. [...] it becomes clear that during the Umayyad period a number of areas in al-Andalus were evolving as Berber societies whose formation was not under the political control of Umayyad Cordoba.