Do you believe Spain would’ve been Muslim country if it’s was ruled by Arabs ?
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Hamzza
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Arabs from the middle East ruled Spain. what are you talking about?
Yes but the abbasids didn’t own/conquer/take Spain/Portugal from the umayyad.
When the Umayyad was overthrown they started another but in Spain and also abbasid is Arab empire was but the rulers was banu hashims
Yes until the amazigh took over the Arabs .
U don’t know the amazigh established their own dynasty in Morocco then expanded al the way to Spain over taking the Arabs rulers
Arabs didn’t lose the Berbers
What you mean is banu umayyad lost power in the Berber lands because they got overthrown by banu hashim aka the abbaisds.
The funny things is that
Even tho the umayyad lost power in North Africa , Middle East
One place they didn’t was Spain and they ruled it for a long time I would say nearly 300 years.
but the Berbers lost Spain against the Christian Spanish
the people of the Al-Andalus were stupid actually, even Youssef Bin Tashfin saw that. With there dumbness they lost there land; Focusing on poetry and songs instead of the Christian enemies, what foolishness is this? so, with the Arabs or others, the Andalusians deserved what happened to them.
Is the muslims stayed in Spain the native Americans would still be around especially in South America.
It was the Christian reconquista that took Spain and became obsessed with the idea of expanding chistandom by destroying the natives.
It was Christian conquistadors that destroyed the aztecs and incas, it was also them that enslaved the natives of the carribean so much that they became extinct and blacks had to be brought in
It was the Christian reconquista that took Spain and became obsessed with the idea of expanding chistandom by destroying the natives.
It was Christian conquistadors that destroyed the aztecs and incas, it was also them that enslaved the natives of the carribean so much that they became extinct and blacks had to be brought in
What are you talking about ? They got defeated by berbers in 740 in the maghreb and that's before the Abbassid takeover and it's also berbers who put an end to the umayyad dynasty in al andalus during the XIth century.
Before the arrival of the Almoravids, the Christians were already taking over large parts of their territory. Let's not even talk about the time of the tawa'if
Also during umayyad times, it's the berbers who again patrolled along the marches and kept Cordoba safe lol
Reformed J
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Muslims experienced the most loss of territory during the period of Taifas, after the disintegration of the Ummayad Caliphate into rump principalities (Taifa) that fought among themselves and sometimes allying with Christian states against another Taifa. There were both Arab and Berber dynasties ruling the various Taifas.
Don't worry, there has recently been a campaign to rewrite Islamic history to award things to Arabs when In fact it was the Berbers and Persians who did the most for Islam.
No hate to Arabs though but some things about them ruling Spain and discovering things that were discovered by Persians is just a lie
They think bedouin tribes from the Hijaz (literally one of the less advanced place of the peninsula) suddenly brought science and architecture to the maghreb and al andalus. Umayyad architecture itself mostly derives from byzantine and sassanid architecture.
Arabians were simply good a conquering but they were not some advanced peoples. They absorbed other more developed peoples into their sphere with Islam and the Arabic language
They were not especially better than others at conquering. Expansion of Islam and arab armies occured at a time when both Byzantine and Sassanids were at their lowest point and were recovering from decades of conflicts between them. Arabs struggled in the maghreb and got expelled from Morocco and Algeria only 30 years after the initial conquest. Conquest of Iberia was made by berbers and the army that conquered the maghreb under Hassan al nu'man included 10k-12k berbers.
Later during the XIIth century, the savage hilalian tribes were defeated by the almohads at the battle of Setif, they were then transferred to Morocco and used as cannon fodder in al andalus against the christians.
You speaking about the Berber revolt ? There is Arabs also played part on that
Morocco first dynasty was made by an Arab so I don’t really understand it
I see it as more fighting for the rights of other Muslims against Umayyad.
I haven’t said the Umayyad didn’t lose lands in Spain against the Christians now you’ve putting words into my mouth
The Arabs was the better rulers then the Berbers when it comes to Spain and they held it better also what evidence you have for the last part ?
That’s just wrong
As much as I hate the Arabs
It’s proven majority of the scholars especially Islamic golden age was Arabs
Yes ?
If the we have the evidence of the names of those people also their tribes then your claim is nothing but a lie .
Ain’ there a book of Islamic scientists their names and tribes ?
Arabs got humiliated and severely defeated during the berber revolt. After that the region wasn't ruled by Umayyads nor later Abbassids. The Idrissid dynasty was muslim berbers making a direct descendant of the prophet their ruler but Idriss had no arab army and never conquered or defeated any berber.
"Arabs" during umayyad times were mixed or fully european genetically (abd ar-rahman I himself was half berber) hence why ruler like Abd ar-rahman III was blonde haired and blue eyed. Berbers actually put an end to the total decadence of arabs there and maintained it for more centuries.
Berbers literally had to fight against a whole european coalition backed up by the Vatican :
As for the evidence of Berbers securing the Marches :
Berbers and Muwallads from The Most Noble of People: Religious, Ethnic, and Gender Identity in Muslim Spain on JSTOR
Berbers and Muwallads, The Most Noble of People, pp. 128-143
www.jstor.org
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