DNA Or 4 Wittnesses?

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  1. Yes, DNA should be used because it is reliable

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  2. Only 4 wittnesses.

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  3. DNA should only be used if 4 wittnesses aren't available.

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  1. Lum

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    Trust them? Why not. They give evidence from the Quran, Hadith and the book regarding how the Salaf understood this religion.
     
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    @Lum

    You are no longer a layman, you defend everything Saudi, therefore you are a stakeholder on the Saudi side. You even echoed their crap of putting Najd in Iraq when even Saudi Children know that this region is in Saudi Arabia and posted the insults of Saudis against Sheikh Imran because he made them incensed politically when the later supported the Syrian president and called for Muslims to align themselves with Putin and not Trump.
     
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    The Muslim society consists of the laymen and the scholar.
     
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    @Lum

    Since you called yourself a layman and you don't live there, you can think for yourself and say, that is wrong, can't you? Maybe, the Saudi sheikhs will curse you and you won't do it. Ma sidaas baa?
     
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    Najd is Iraq as Shaykh Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albanee (Rahimahullah) mentioned.
     
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    Why? Did Prophet (allallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) order it? No. He said obey the Muslim leader.
     
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    Why would they curse me? It`s deen. We referer back to the Quran, Sunnah and how the pious predecessors understood it.
     
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    @Lum

    Sheikh Albanee isn't a historian or someone who studied and graduated from a university, he was a Jordanian watch repairer who studied Hadiths from another Shaykh. Najd is in Saudi Arabia.

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    Who do you consider your leader to be? Are you Saudi?
     
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    Are you joking he already explained it? Najd refers to Iraq. Which scholars do you listen? Are they the ones who are feeding you this?
     
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    No.
     
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    Who is your leader?
     
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    Why does almost everyone on this forum believe Saudi Arabia to be evil?
     
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    I live in Europe.
     
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    Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr (d. 463) is from the Mālikī scholars and he said in al-Iistidhkār (5/16):





    وَأَمَّا جَمَاعَةُ أَهْلِ السُّنَّةِ وَأَئِمَّتُهُمْ فَقَالُوا هَذَا هُوَ الِاخْتِيَارُ أَنْ يَكُونَ الْإِمَامُ فَاضِلًا عَالِمًا عَدْلًا مُحْسِنًا قَوِيًّا عَلَى الْقِيَامِ كَمَا يَلْزَمُهُ فِي الْإِمَامَةِ فَإِنْ لَمْ يَكُنْ فَالصَّبْرُ عَلَى طَاعَةِ الْإِمَامِ الْجَائِرِ أَولَى مِنَ الْخُرُوجِ عَلَيْهِ لِأَنَّ فِي مُنَازَعَتِهِ وَالْخُرُوجِ عَلَيْهِ اسْتِبْدَالَ الْأَمْنِ بِالْخَوْفِ وَإِرَاقَةَ الدِّمَاءِ وَانْطِلَاقَ أَيْدِي الدَّهْمَاءِ وَتَبْيِيتَ الْغَارَاتِ عَلَى الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَالْفَسَادَ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَهَذَا أَعْظَمُ مِنَ الصَّبْرِ عَلَى جَوْرِ الجائر


    As for the jamāʿah of Ahl al-Sunnah, and their leading imāms, they said: This is the chosen (viewpoint) that the ruler (imām) should be virtuous, knowledgeable, just, righteous (muḥsin), strong in establishment (of his duty), as is required of him in leadership. And if he is not as such, then patience in obeying the tyrannical ruler is better than rebelling against him. This is because in contending for rule with him and rebelling against him leads to replacing security with fear and shedding of blood and and letting loose the hands of the common people, and the hatching of incursions (attacks) upon Muslims, and corruption on the earth. And this is greater (in evil) than patience upon tyranny of the tyrant.

    Abū ʿIyaaḍ
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    @Lum

    the salafis invented that it's historically in Iraq and that is why they desperately and poorly attempted and failed to distance themselves from the Hadith 'fitna from Najd' and referred it to Iraq. The Wahabis conveniently pushed Najd to Iraq but it didn't work.

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    Boowe, you owe me this one.
     
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    Where in Europe?
     
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    Wahhabis is a myth. The Christians used to call the Muslims "Mohammedans" to deceive their people. Nothing new. When someone preaches pure Tawheed you will get a lot of enemies. Especially when Saudi Arabia was drowning in shirk. He and the founder al-Saud cleansed it. The Imam (Rahimahullah) was given victory.
     
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    He is not my leader.
     
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