DNA Or 4 Wittnesses?

Should DNA Be Used, Or 4 wittnesses?

  • Yes, DNA should be used because it is reliable

    Votes: 27 81.8%
  • Only 4 wittnesses.

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • DNA should only be used if 4 wittnesses aren't available.

    Votes: 5 15.2%

  • Total voters
    33
The same scholars who reject DNA are the same ones who rejected the use of mobile phones or TV to listen to Qur'an. Some people are so backwards they don't welcome any piece of technology designed to help you, in the irrational fear that it is "bidcah".
 
NFD

Adultery is when two adults who aren’t in a legal marriage consent to have sex, but there isn’t consent in rape, therefore, I don’t know how these scholars came to that conclusion. Secondly, DNA testing via the semen, pubic hair or skin left on the victim is beyond reasonable doubt unless it is tampered with during testing. Even when that happens, a new testing could be done which absolves or incriminates the accused. Malaysia and Indonesia both use it with the tacit approval of their ullemma that it strengthens the spirits of the law under Islamic law. Why would 4 people watch a rape taking place? It’s impossible to prove and rapists will win.
Adultery is for married people. My point was that they have it wrong. You don't need 4 witnesses for rape so in that I agree with you. Why would there be 4 witnesses to a rape unless it was done in public? whereas when accusing someone of adultery you need four witnesses the wisdom behind this is that it is impossible to prove so you should mind your business. Get it?
 

IstarZ

A mere finger can’t obscure the sun.
Adultery is for married people. My point was that they have it wrong. You don't need 4 witnesses for rape so in that I agree with you. Why would there be 4 witnesses to a rape unless it was done in public? whereas when accusing someone of adultery you need four witnesses the wisdom behind this is that it is impossible to prove so you should mind your business. Get it?
Exactly!! Thank you.
 
The same scholars who reject DNA are the same ones who rejected the use of mobile phones or TV to listen to Qur'an. Some people are so backwards they don't welcome any piece of technology designed to help you, in the irrational fear that it is "bidcah".
@Mckenzie

Glad that you mentioned that, do you know that Somalia, Somaliland and Jibouti introduced the Radio before Saudi Arabia because the Saudi Islamic scholars issued edicts banning it and claiming it was the devils messages. Do you know how king Saud convinced them? He broadcasted a Koran reading on Radio and made them listen & also argued that it will help with Da’wa3 to spread Islam. Radio was first introduced into Somalia by the Italians in 1938, Somaliland by the British in 1943 and in Saudi Arabia in 1949 because of the resistance of their Islamic scholars. We should look up to the Egyptian Islamic scholars who are trained in a robistic cross multi disciplinary education system. The education system in Saudi Arabia waa qasaaro.
 

pablo

Make Dhulos Great Again
These men think we’re living in 1066, only a failed state full of danyeeros would argue with the outcome of DNA proving that those men were guilty of raping a young girl. We need to overthrow this government and replace it with fresh blood from the west. You can’t wait for people from back home to get things right, since most of them have been living in poor conditions and the elderly suffering from trauma.
 

Cognitivedissonance

A sane man to an insane society must appear insane
Stay WOKE
VIP
They are arguing dna evidence is unislamic and the rapists and murderers should be freed.



@GBTarmy @Crow nacaala iyo waxa tihiin ba waasa magaca puntland bey ku ciyaarteen i havent been to a somali restaurant or any somali gathering ever since the day of infamy ceeb i cant kaftan with other maryooles cause they will just respond by saying kufsi land :ohlord:

To add insult to injury now your elders are defending rapists and murderers of childern nacaala shaidanka ku yaal these elders should be killed :pacspit:

Hear there reasoning they are not capable of doing their own critical thinking kulaha we dont expect the verdict abahaa waaas guun guun dhashay wallahi dhadkan magacaa puntland bey dhulka dhigeen:wow:
 
Same problem in hargeisa that needs fixing
Hawiye, isaaq and daarod are all the same. There is hierarchy and certain people can get away with most thing. But they will all point the finger at each other. I wish night king came to somalia and slaughtered them all
 
Hawiye, isaaq and daarod are all the same. There is hierarchy and certain people can get away with most thing. But they will all point the finger at each other. I wish night king came to somalia and slaughtered them all
All blinded by clans and have a problem with old folks plus corrupt leaders who do not have the interest of the people at hand but just to fill their pockets plus cause division
 
All blinded by clans and have a problem with old folks plus corrupt leaders who do not have the interest of the people at hand but just to fill their pockets plus cause division
Sometimes you just have to start over. Execute anyobe over 40 and start over
 

Samaalic Era

QurboExit
Rape in Islamic Law is left to the judge to investigate and give the sentence. It does not come under Zina.
There is the opinion of which if the woman has a bad reputation and claims rape, she must provide evidence of witnesses. If it is a woman of good character, then the judge must take her account and look for other evidences(clothes,blood,trail etr). Her account must be strong to prove it happened and then 4 witnesses are not required.
Once proven, the death sentence is to be handed down aswell the family paying 100 camels in compensation

And Allah swt knows best
 

Abdisamad

No drama
VIP
They are arguing dna evidence is unislamic and the rapists and murderers should be freed.



@GBTarmy @Crow nacaala iyo waxa tihiin ba waasa magaca puntland bey ku ciyaarteen i havent been to a somali restaurant or any somali gathering ever since the day of infamy ceeb i cant kaftan with other maryooles cause they will just respond by saying kufsi land :ohlord:

To add insult to injury now your elders are defending rapists and murderers of childern nacaala shaidanka ku yaal these elders should be killed :pacspit:

Hear there reasoning they are not capable of doing their own critical thinking kulaha we dont expect the verdict abahaa waaas guun guun dhashay wallahi dhadkan magacaa puntland bey dhulka dhigeen:wow:
The government should arrest these fools.
 
Somalia has joined the civilised world in convicting rapists by using DNA evidence for the first time. Is this haram because there must be four eyewitnesses to the rape taking place under Shariah? Or, is this a misconception and impossible to present 4 witnesses because who watches a rape taking place and not intervene? The DNA has proven to be accurate in forensic investigation in rape cases, is it the right course of action? Have your say.


In first for Somalia, DNA used to convict rapists .

The Bureau of Forensic Science said in a statement that Somalia had "joined, for the first time, the rest of the world in utilising science to solve a heinous criminal case".




MOGADISHU (AFP) - Somalia has for the first time used DNA evidence to obtain a criminal conviction, sentencing three men to death on Sunday for the gang-rape and murder of a 12-year-old girl, the Bureau of Forensic Science said.

The country got its first-ever forensic laboratory in 2017 in the semiautonomous state of Puntland, seeking to tackle widespread sexual violence in a country where two decades of conflict and turmoil have put justice out of reach for most.

The bureau said in a statement that Somalia had "joined, for the first time, the rest of the world in utilising science to solve a heinous criminal case".

In February, the kidnapping of 12-year-old Aisha Ilyas Adan - who was gang-raped and tortured to death, her body dumped outside her parents home - sparked outrage and protests in the region.

Human Rights Watch has described rape as "normal" in Somalia, with police often failing to take cases seriously.

The Puntland state government enacted a Sexual Offences Act in 2016, which criminalised sexual offences and imposed tough penalties.

The central government in Mogadishu is still working on adopting Somalia's first-ever national rape laws, with a new Sexual Offences Act adopted by ministers in May 2018. It still needs approval by parliament.



About 10 suspects were arrested in connection with Adan's rape and murder.

State prosecutors said 37 DNA samples were taken from the suspects and stored in the lab, which cannot at present analyse such material.

The samples were sent to neighbouring Kenya for processing, which linked three of the suspects to the crime.

High court judge Abdinur Jama Hussein on Sunday sentenced the three "to the death penalty for kidnapping, raping, and murdering Aisha Ilyas."

In Somalia, the death penalty is carried out by firing squad.

https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2019/May/163777/in_first_for_somalia_dna_used_to_convict_rapists.aspx

DNA is as solid as four witnesses seeing the rape. The reason the four witnesses is to ensure no one is accused of rape easily. Also, nothing in Sharia law says if there are no witnesses rape did not happen. Proving something happened is not the same as denying it happened. Torn clothes, physical wounds, many things people can observe can be used to assess a crime happened.

Keep an open mind saxib. It is not always what you assume about Islam. People wrote volumes of law understood from Quran and Sunnah. And schools of jurisprudence are born out of figuring the details of laws relating to spirituality, civic and criminal laws.
 
Since these clan elders have 0 honor and 0 sense of justice to anybody other than their tribe id suggest them to be jailed for trying to defend a rapists actions

These elders could be the anchor of society if they were decent. They are good use when they are upright, just and honest Muslims. Their status would strengthen the just causes of our society. Unfortunately, most of them are unlettered or powerless against established corrupt elites. They depend on the existing system and the system depends on them for legitimacy. Self assured destruction, mutual in relations and outright disgusting.

These elders would be our heroes if they were brave patriotic men who keep in check the corrupt men in their clans. Young men and women would rally around them and hang the bad dudes who made Somalia suffer in public squares for a lesson to all would be national disgraces out there waiting for their turn.
 
Sometimes you just have to start over. Execute anyobe over 40 and start over
I met a Somali professor who teaches biology at our local university. He is young and came here in his teens. Has two Phds, one in biochemistry one in Biology, speaks Somali fluent and is in his early 40s. We can't kill someone like that.

The trolls on this website who seem to wake up from the gutter every morning and who spew clan bigotry, some women included with no shame are much worse than many 40 year Olds I met who are outstanding citizens.

So, age categorization is not perfect. It is where every Somali spends most time and with whom that need fixing, many households stink of hypocrisy, national disgrace. WE ARE ALL REFLECTIONS OF OUR HOMES.

I don't know how someone can be on welfare and pretend they are anything. Instead of hanging their heads low and build their character and people, regain the lost dignity and be an example, they are using modern day amenities like the internet to expose the savagery that ruined our country to foreigners and readers of Somali websites.

I swear, there is nothing but total disgrace in our community,.
 
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