The alchemist
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Turks are 15% Central Asian, 45% Middle Eastern, and 40% European.
Did you know that Turks are from Northeast Asia?
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He's talking about the true, original Turks (who were assimilated by Chinese culture), all Turkic speaking people refer to themselves as Turks not just the people of Anatolia.
Not the Serbs, Serbs, Croatian were subjugated but never mixed with their oppressors the way the Bosniaks and Albanians did with some lesser degree applied to bulgars and macedonian slavs.
For the Greeks it was mainly due to their historic native settlements in Anatolia from trabzon in the black sea to the rest of anatolia with the exception of the present day Kurdish lands and the now assimilated Armenian lands.
The alchemist
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I understand. I just wanted to post the information because a lot of people seem to believe this notion that Turkic speakers replaced the Anatolians, while it was only a minority who culturally dominated the majority.
Turks of Anatolia are about as Turkish as Arabs of Chad are Arab
Its a very mixed Country, when it comes to genetics. The Ancient Anatolians had a lot backgrounds including Haplogroups like Indo-European R1a and R1b Euroasain J2
and even African E. (10% of Turks have HG E.) just like Somalis.
they are known as uralic a bit different group of people who live in the most part in siberia and northern scandinavia.
Molotoff
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How do you then explain the fact that so many Bosniaks are light eyed and light haired?
Whereas many serbs look like they came straight out of Konya?
The Names of clan leaders of Naimans, Merkits, and Kereits were Turkic indicating they spoke Turkic language.
The Kereits are generally excepted to being Turkic origin later Mongolized.
There were several original Mongol tribes that were later Turkized once they moved to Central Asia like the Barlas tribe who are the tribe of Amir Timur
as far as the Kipchak,generally the Scythians are said to be Iranic in origin and the Kipchak are definitely Turkic as they were part of East Gokturk empire.
Any sources connecting them to Scythians?
That's just the diversity in their respective populations with admixture from different waves of migration... same with how many modern turks are light eyed with light hair..How do you then explain the fact that so many Bosniaks are light eyed and light haired?
Whereas many serbs look like they came straight out of Konya?
before there were serbs remember that they were indo-european then slavic.
I believe Germanic goths whom settled in the balkans whilst raiding following the danube river made a significant change on their indigenous indo-european population mixed with the later slavic look. I know there were more admixtures following different conquests but i cannot write on what i have forgotten..
Languages have shifted through history. It's not an indicator of bloodline. As you said many Mongols began to speak Turk languages once they crossed the Altai mountains into Scythia.
Those tribes are mongols. Naimans in Kazakhstan acknowledge they're Mongols that speak turkic langauge. Keraites are one of the most famous Mongol tribes because they were nestorian christains, and married women to Ghenghis Khan's sons and descendants.
Volga, Crimean and Baskhir Tatars are supposedly the direct descendants of the Kipchak/Cumans, they're for the most part western Eurasian. Bashkir is literally an old Scythian tribe name.
the question is what exactly is a Mongol? Because back in the 11th century Mongol ONLY refer to small Khmag mongols in North eastern Mongolia.
The Naimans in Westen Mongolia, the Kereits and Merkits in central and northwestern part and Tatars in the East weren’t called “Mongols” at all nor did they participated in the tribal meeting of the Khmag Mongols tribal confederation . After Ginggis Khan unified all these tribes in the area they came to be called as Mongols whether they were originally mongol or not.
similarly now days “Tatar” is used for all nomads from the steppe but originally it only referred to powerful Turkic tribe in Eastern Mongolia. They were the ones who poisoned Ginggis Khans’ father.
Similarly the name Türk wasn’t in use until 6th century when the Gokturk empire was born.
I am under the impression the name Türk is the parent name and Mongol is technically part of the “Turkic race”.
when prophet Muhammed peace be upon him was warning of nomads in the northeast, he used the term “Atraak” and describe them as people with flat face, small eyes, and who wear boots made of animal skin.
Uigar are also very mixed now days. The Kirgiz and Kazakhs and Yakuts and Tuvans are even more “mongloid” than Uigars
Careful not to say that to Türk in Anatolia ahahah he will go ballistic
Oguz Turks also ruled Persia through the Ghazvid, Great Seljuk empire and Kipchaks also through the Khwarazmia yet I don’t see Persians calling themselves Türk
also Mughals ruled India and Kipchak slave soldiers ruled Egypt yet no one claims to be a Turk over there.
the Turks in Turkey arent Really Turks for sure. They are native population like Anatolians, Greeks, Armenians, Kurds who got conquered by few hundred thousand Turks.
I always knew
Molotoff
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Hungarians are proud of their turkic roots and have close ties with Turkey and Turks, even though they fought against each other.
There is even Hungarian nationalism called Turanism and they have cultural manifestations too where Turkic peoples are invited.
During the Hungarian struggle for greater independence from Austria, a lot of Hungarians were given refuge in Turkey.
There is or was even a Hungarian nationalist politician of half Hungarian half Turkish descent (Turkish father).
@Ismail Khan
There is even Hungarian nationalism called Turanism and they have cultural manifestations too where Turkic peoples are invited.
During the Hungarian struggle for greater independence from Austria, a lot of Hungarians were given refuge in Turkey.
There is or was even a Hungarian nationalist politician of half Hungarian half Turkish descent (Turkish father).
@Ismail Khan
Turks have existed for thousands of years beyond Ghenghis Khan. The Hongshan culture in Manchuria was likely Turkic. It was one of the principal cultures that contributed to the formation of Chinese civilization. In fact it's the first instance of Feng-Shui being used. Most of them were likely incorporated into the Han while some went into Mongolia and beyond as nomads. Btw the Ashina dynasty of the Gokturks were Saka (scyhtian) in origin.
Mongols aren't part of the Turkic race. Its the other way around. Turks are part of the Mongoloid race.And share close origins with Mongols, Koreans, Manchus, Japanese.
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