Did Oromo migration change the Somali phenotype

[SultanSharif]

Just curious we’re genetically closest to them but before they expanded they were native to the north western part of Kenya so how did we come to be genetically closest to them? Wouldn’t we be more closer to the afar or habash or even Amhara than them? Did we intermix with them a lot and did it change our phenotype. It probably reduced the amount of Eurasian we had which is my guess but I’m not knowledgable on the topic and curious to find out more

 

[wonyluvr]

Just curious we’re genetically closest to them but before they expanded they were native to the north western part of Kenya so how did we come to be genetically closest to them? Wouldn’t we be more closer to the afar or habash or even Amhara than them? Did we intermix with them a lot and did it change our phenotype. It probably reduced the amount of Eurasian we had which is my guess but I’m not knowledgable on the topic and curious to find out more

Afar are geographically closer to Semitic speaking populations which is why we aren’t that closely related to them.We are more closely related to Ethiopian yahuud and Amhara than we are to Afars

 

[SultanSharif]

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Afar are geographically closer to Semitic speaking populations which is why we aren’t that closely related to them.We are more closely related to Ethiopian yahuud and Amhara than we are to Afars

They’re geographically close to us too on our north west. They were also under Adal so didn’t we assimilate them a bit? Idk

 

[wonyluvr]

They’re geographically close to us on our north east. They were also under Adam so didn’t we assimilate them a bit? Idk

They are pretty much surrounded by Semitic speaking groups and also are extremely close to the Arabs as well

 

[Yami]

Just curious we’re genetically closest to them but before they expanded they were native to the north western part of Kenya so how did we come to be genetically closest to them? Wouldn’t we be more closer to the afar or habash or even Amhara than them? Did we intermix with them a lot and did it change our phenotype. It probably reduced the amount of Eurasian we had which is my guess but I’m not knowledgable on the topic and curious to find out more

Yes to Degodia's and NFD Ajuuran no to everyone else

 

[SultanSharif]

Yes to Degodia's and NFD Ajuuran no to everyone else

So I guess you could say northern Somalis are purer. They have more e1b1

 

[Garaad Awal]

They didn’t affect the phenotypes of Somaliland & the DDS regions neighbouring SL. They did affect Somalis of Fafaan & Western SL from a genetic perspective (heightened Mota compared to Central/Eastern SL & PL)

 

[giire12]

Just curious we’re genetically closest to them but before they expanded they were native to the north western part of Kenya so how did we come to be genetically closest to them? Wouldn’t we be more closer to the afar or habash or even Amhara than them? Did we intermix with them a lot and did it change our phenotype. It probably reduced the amount of Eurasian we had which is my guess but I’m not knowledgable on the topic and curious to find out more

It's complicated and I too fully don't understand. But I can answer some of your questions.

Our Eurasian to sub saharan african was probably the same at 40:60 and was never affected since back migration. We remind homogeneous for centuries. So we never had the added Eurasian of 10 to 15 percent found in Ethio semetic groups as well as northern Cushitic groups such as Afar, Beja, Saho and etc. These groups have the extra Arabian in their DNA (most likely from yeman) which is between 20 to 35 percent depending on the ethinic groups. Beni Ameer and Beja can have up to 35% Arabian, Eritreans habesha and Afars 30%, Ethiopians Habasha 25%, northern oromos living close to semetic habasha can have between 15 to 20% and we somalis have on average 5%. This is probably similar to Borana and southern oromos who like us were not affected by the recent Arabian migration.

If I estimate the timeframe of this Arabian migration, I would say between 8th to 16th century. This was when the semetic habasha had the lands of south yeman in their control.

 

[Zak12]

Just curious we’re genetically closest to them but before they expanded they were native to the north western part of Kenya so how did we come to be genetically closest to them? Wouldn’t we be more closer to the afar or habash or even Amhara than them? Did we intermix with them a lot and did it change our phenotype. It probably reduced the amount of Eurasian we had which is my guess but I’m not knowledgable on the topic and curious to find out more

Afars and Habesha have a ton of Arabian ancestry that simply isn't there within Somalis. Borana Oromo and the other original Oromos also lack this ancestry hence why we are closer to them than Habesha/Afars.

And no, the migrations didn't impact our phenotype whatsover. If anything, they were impacted since you will find plenty of Oromos with Somali haplogroups while you will hardly find any Somalia with Oromo haplos. Furthermore, their (the ones living in Hararghe) Eurasian input was increased thanks to us. The only Somalis with any real Oromo dna are Kenyan Somalis since they have noted heightened SSA levels compared to other Somalis.

 

[shabba2]

No oromo has influenced somali genome, if anything its the assimilated somalis in easter oromia that makes original bantu and omotic oromo look a little bit closer to somalis

 

[Khaem]

Afar are geographically closer to Semitic speaking populations which is why we aren’t that closely related to them.We are more closely related to Ethiopian yahuud and Amhara than we are to Afars

Afar-Saho are the closest people to Somalis

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

They didn’t affect the phenotypes of Somaliland & the DDS regions neighbouring SL. They did affect Somalis of Fafaan & Western SL from a genetic perspective (heightened Mota compared to Central/Eastern SL & PL)

Bro is casually spreading misinformation Poor Noobs arent realzing and put 1 heart and 1 lik

 

[wonyluvr]

Afar-Saho are the closest people to Somalis

They are like our 4th cousins

 

[Arabsiyawi]

Just curious we’re genetically closest to them but before they expanded they were native to the north western part of Kenya so how did we come to be genetically closest to them? Wouldn’t we be more closer to the afar or habash or even Amhara than them? Did we intermix with them a lot and did it change our phenotype. It probably reduced the amount of Eurasian we had which is my guess but I’m not knowledgable on the topic and curious to find out more

British anthropologist’s observations on the Boranas/Kenyan Oromos. The last bit on southern Somalis is hilarious.
I think this perfectly answers your question.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

Afar-Saho are the closest people to Somalis

They aren’t, the southernmost Ethiopian ethnic groups like Dhasaanach and Arboore people are linguistically. Genetically it would be southern and eastern Oromos for the most part.

 

[Diini23]

They didn’t affect the phenotypes of Somaliland & the DDS regions neighbouring SL. They did affect Somalis of Fafaan & Western SL from a genetic perspective (heightened Mota compared to Central/Eastern SL & PL)

How about central and southern Somalis and even nfd? I had a bit of mota was that because oromos in JL were assimilated

 

[Diini23]

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British anthropologist’s observations on the Boranas/Kenyan Oromos. The last bit on southern Somalis is hilarious.
I think this perfectly answers your question.

Which anthropologist?

 

[Nin123]

They are like our 4th cousins

Then who’s first, second and third cousins?

 

[wonyluvr]

Then who’s first, second and third cousins?

Oromo,Wolayta,Rendille,Iraqw,Ethiopian Jew,Amhara,Agew then Afar

 

[Diini23]

I have seen ppl say that the afar samples aren’t actually afar but are agaw which are basically amharas that are Cushitic speaking. It kind of makes more sense since the afar samples are closer to amharas and other habeshas.