Debate: Daniel Haqiqatjou vs Destiny

[Apollo]

So your pro genocide

When it comes to war, yes, but not in peace time.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Any sort of slavery is morally wrong.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

When it comes to war, yes, but not in peace time.

And Islamic slavery is only justifiable in the context of war. It is a huge sin to take captives outside of war and abuse them. The one who abuses a slave never gets to taste jannah. On top of that you just feed them and give them the same food and clothes you wear.

but you claim it’s more human to completely genocide in the context of war. Islam offers a more humane solution in the context of war

 

[Apollo]

And Islamic slavery is only justifiable in the context of war. It is a huge sin to take captives outside of war and abuse them. The one who abuses a slave never gets to taste jannah. On top of that you just feed them and give them the same food and clothes you wear.

but you claim it’s more human to completely genocide in the context of war. Islam offers a more humane solution in the context of war

Most of the slaves in the Islamic world were Muslims, but were still kept as slaves.

You can wiggle your way around justifying slavery using Islamic theology.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Most of the slaves in the Islamic world were Muslims, but were still kept as slaves.

You can wiggle your way around justifying slavery using Islamic theology.

It's part of Islam. Do you know better than Islam? You have no right to put your own ideas over what Islam says. Are you a Muslim or not? If you are a Muslim, you have to go by Quran and sunnah, you can't just make stuff up and put it above what the religion says.

 

[Omar del Sur]

It is a religion for all times.

Christianity spread despite it being a low class pacifist religion the first few centuries. Likewise with Buddhism.

It is a religion for all times therefore you can try to impose modern ideology onto it? So you can decide that now lgbt is halaal?

Has anyone ever came up with such a principle before? Do you care about the religion at all?

This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion.

-Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:3

Do you believe in that verse or do you not believe in it? Yes, it is a religion for all time but it was perfected over 1,400 years ago.

 

[Aurelian]

He is pro-slavery:

He is ok with it till he becomes a slave

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Most of the slaves in the Islamic world were Muslims, but were still kept as slaves.

You can wiggle your way around justifying slavery using Islamic theology.

If your a slave and you have a child they are automatically free. Some of the best thinkers and high ranking officials kings and sultans were children of slaves in Islamic society

it’s also highly encouraged to free slaves as the reward and mercy of Allah you can gain from it is great. While abusing them can earn you hellfire.

Im not wiggling around anything im explaining you in full context Islamic slavery , which is only justifiable in the context of war while your on record being pro genocide and you think it’s the humane solution. That means you think it’s justifiable that the white man genocided the native Americans and stole their land. War isn’t a fun time. It’s full of violence and bloodshed, Islam offers the more humane solution in the context of war.

 

[Aurelian]

It's part of Islam. Do you know better than Islam? You have no right to put your own ideas over what Islam says. Are you a Muslim or not? If you are a Muslim, you have to go by Quran and sunnah, you can't just make stuff up and put it above what the religion says.

Islam? It was part of economy of the past. It is morally wrong to kidnap and enslave ppl and put their descendent into slavery

 

[Omar del Sur]

Islam? It was part of economy of the past. It is morally wrong to kidnap and enslave ppl and put their descendent into slavery

also, I don't think in Islamic slavery the descendants are necessarily slaves.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Islam? It was part of economy of the past. It is morally wrong to kidnap and enslave ppl and put their descendent into slavery

Read my earlier posts your conflating the trans Atlantic slave trade with Islamic slavery. It is completely haram to round up innocent people snd capture them only in the context of war you can make POWs into slaves. Do you agree with @Apollo that completely genociding a group of people is more humane then the losers of a war being servants?

 

[Aurelian]

If your a slave and you have a child they are automatically free. Some of the best thinkers and high ranking officials kings and sultans were children of slaves in Islamic society

it’s also highly encouraged to free slaves as the reward and mercy of Allah you can gain from it is great.

Im not wiggling around anything im explaining you in full context Islamic slavery , which is only justifiable in the context of war while your on record being pro genocide and you think it’s the humane solution. That means you think it’s justifiable that the white man genocided the native Americans and stole their land. War isn’t a fun time. It’s full of violence and bloodshed, Islam offers the more humane solution in the context of war.

If the father was already free yes his children are automatically free, but what if they both were slaves

 

[Apollo]

He is ok with it till he becomes a slave

I think Haqiqatjou is autistic or something. He gives autist vibes.

Also, another sad fact about him, his sister was murdered in 'liberal' America. This may have radicalized him.

He looks like a white guy, but apparently he is full Iranian.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

If the father was already free yes his children are automatically free, but what if they both were slaves

If the a child is born from a slave and his father is the master the child and mother is free. A man and women slave are free if the masters says you are free or he dies. Islamic slavery has no racial class hierarchy like we see today and the masters must accommodate them the same food and water they eat and shelter. Otherwise they can go to hellfire for abusing them

 

[Aurelian]

If the a child is born from a slave and his father is the master the child and mother is free. A man and women slave are free if the masters says you are free or he dies. Islamic slavery has no racial class hierarchy like we see today and the masters must accommodate them the same food and water they eat and shelter. Otherwise they can go to hellfire for abusing them

That what I meant, if the master says no, and they had child the kid is automatically a slave

 

[Maxaa kaa galay]

Any sort of slavery is morally wrong.

Lol prisoner of war would rather be outside and serve food and wash clothes for a period of time, then to be locked up 23 hours everyday.

 

[Aurelian]

Lol prisoner of war would rather be outside and serve food and wash clothes for a period of time, then to be locked up 23 hours everyday.

Cuz they went to war and became prisoners so they have to pay back for the destruction and the maintenance of the prison system them are in. Unlike enslaving women and men and their children and descendants

 

[Apollo]

Lol prisoner of war would rather be outside and serve food and wash clothes for a period of time, then to be locked up 23 hours everyday.

Problem is, slavery in Islamic history extended way beyond prisoners of war.

For example, the Ottomans (heirs of the last legitimate caliphates) stole kids from Balkan Christians, held them as slaves, and then trained them as elites to run the empire as they lacked tribal loyalties. All justified with theological arguments.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Problem is, slavery in Islamic history extended way beyond prisoners of war.

For example, the Ottomans (heirs of the last legitimate caliphates) stole kids from Balkan Christians, held them as slaves, and then trained them as elites to run the empire as they lacked tribal loyalties. All justified with theological arguments.

This is another really terrible argument. I don't even understand what the logic here is supposed to be. Islam needs to be changed because the Ottomans did such-and-such? Various terrorist groups did such and such "all justified with theological arguments," specifically appealing to the concept of jihad so should we remove the concept of jihad from Islam and remove the verses from the Quran that talk about jihad?

The religion is based on Quran and sunnah, whatever the Ottomans did is irrelevant.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

For example, the Ottomans (heirs of the last legitimate caliphates) stole kids from Balkan Christians, held them as slaves, and then trained them as elites to run the empire as they lacked tribal loyalties. All justified with theological arguments.

your on record saying nuclear annihilation and genocide is more humane then servitude