Wrong most people in Somalia want the same amount of autonomy and peace for their states that your state SL has but not declare their FMS as independent of Somalia. You're no different to the rest of us in all honesty and it is YOU who made us balkanized and de facto a confederation
Confederations don’t work
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Wrong most people in Somalia want the same amount of autonomy and peace for their states that your state SL has but not declare their FMS as independent of Somalia. You're no different to the rest of us in all honesty and it is YOU who made us balkanized and de facto a confederation
Regionalism doesnt amount to sh*t sxb, Somalis vastly put more value in their qabiil than their region. The biggest obstacle to centralism isnt such economics or geography but its the clan division.
The Galkacyo problem is obviously one of those things that need to be solved un the future. But its not worth ditching federalism over that one issue.
We all know that centralism does not work for somalis, neither does this version of federalism.
What other system is out there that we can draw inspiration from. Do you have any ideas?
What other system is out there that we can draw inspiration from. Do you have any ideas?
Stable dictatorial Somaliaare you telling me there is a chance such system could work?, I'm pretty sure if a president extends his term chaos will ensue and you'll not see something you can call stable.
No but it would last longer than a confederacy.
Even our current weak af government is more stable than a confederacy.
Confederacies almost always collapse within a decade. Somalia is unable to deal with governmental collapse. It will be back to square one.
If you can name 2 countries that has lasted longer than 15 years as a confederation, I’ll take your point as valid.
If not then just admit, you’re a qabiilist and keep it moving bro.
Your mother is Hawiye and your dad is MJ.
You should be the poster child of anti-qabiilism but instead you’re stuck in the past.
Setting national curriculum, public services (public housing, healthcare), major infrastructure as well as natural resources.
States can have the managing position. They can manage education, health, infrastructure etc.
OK that's fine but why does Somalia need to have one person who does the job of president (head of state). Why can't we have at the national level a collective presidency like in Switzerland or Bosnia. We must do everything to effectively guarantee we never again have a brutal dictator a la MSB
I agree with you and your points, but in regards to this, look at Belgium, its basically a confederation. Also, historically, Kalmar Union, Swiss confederation and so on.
You mean the Bosnia that is currently in an existential crisis caused by ethno-political tensions?
Regardless, I can give you a million good points but I’ll give a simple one.
Qabiilism is a disease that we need to eradicate.
It’s unfathomable that we, as young Somalis that grew up in the West are looking for far fetched political systems just to satisfy our qabiilism.
The way you prevent a dictator is safeguards.
Nilotic
VIP
Why on earth would anyone want a confederation? Security and economic policy would be confused and disjointed; disputes and conflicts between the constituent States could not be resolved in the absence of a central authority; and vested interests could more easily achieve State capture.
Belgium and Switzerland are federations by the political meaning.
Neither actually fit the definition of a confederacy.
The Klamar Union was a personal Union that has occurred numerous times in European monarchies throughout history.
They are willing to have Somalia remain a third world nation if it means their qabiilism remains.
Why on earth would anyone want a confederation? Security and economic policy would be confused and disjointed; disputes and conflicts between the constituent States could not be resolved in the absence of a central authority; and vested interests could more easily achieve State capture.
Clanism is the number one evil that needs to be eliminated I strongly reject clanism but but it seems we differ on how to eliminate this scourge. My belief is that we should avoid one man rule so as to not let everyone other than one subclan/subsubclan potentially be alienated from their own ruler. Switzerland is shining despite not having one ruler, Bosnia is miles ahead of us despite their difficulties
For that system to work we need the fgs, to stop waging war on it.
Virtually nobody pushes for confederalism. Somalia will end before Qabiil as Qabiil is the building block of a Somali.
When even the mid-size clans have interests aligned with federalism their will be no place for aabodoons to rally support from.
Qabiil based federalism is our reality and has obvious grassroots support soon we will have more states SSC, Benadir, Hiiraan, and Gedo all of whom wish to have their own state but are held back by the FGS and their parent states.
When even the mid-size clans have interests aligned with federalism their will be no place for aabodoons to rally support from.
MT Foxtrot
Anti-qabil
You know why - "muh qabil". That's it. That's the basis of their politics.
Why on earth would anyone want a confederation? Security and economic policy would be confused and disjointed; disputes and conflicts between the constituent States could not be resolved in the absence of a central authority; and vested interests could more easily achieve State capture.
Our country is being held hostage by a social construct from the 1st century.
We know any system will fail. Confederation is the final nail for separation of the ethnic groups that share little in common.
reer
VIP
i expect you organize mulatto-lives-matter rallies. time for some sjws in somaliweyn.
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