COME IN AND DEBATE: Regarding Abortion, There should be just as much outrage from the community towards Muslims supporting either side

[Omar del Sur]

if you look at it from a purely Islamic standpoint I think it's clear that the pro abortion ban is the better of the two sides but I think the issue is the people influenced by the sjwism are trying to follow two dīns at once instead of only having one dīn

 

[Omar del Sur]

Read what I wrote again. Especially the last paragraph.

Do you deny that Muslim women can end up having ectopic pregnancies? What happens if they can't abort it?

yeah I just read it and I just noticed you called me selfish. that is not called for. I'm favor of what Islam says, that has nothing to do with selfishness.

as for this ectopic thing, I'm sure that's more propaganda of the leftists... if you're a Muslim you should be happy the laws are moving in the right direction but the Western culture has messed with people's minds and they're freaking out and then attacking me personally just because I haven't caved to sjwism... how dare you insult me like that, I wouldn't insult you like that... and this is how it is on ANY issue if you don't agree with the sjw line... not just this but every single issue... sjwism simply needs to be crushed... I have every right to my religious views regardless of Westernized some people have become.

 

[Omar del Sur]

let me elaborate... I have no idea what ectopic means but if it wasn't haraam I'd bet a lot of money this supposed issue will turn out to be more nonsense... let me come back on that

 

[Angelina]

yeah I just read it and I just noticed you called me selfish. that is not called for. I'm favor of what Islam says, that has nothing to do with selfishness.

as for this ectopic thing, I'm sure that's more propaganda of the leftists... if you're a Muslim you should be happy the laws are moving in the right direction but the Western culture has messed with people's minds and they're freaking out and then attacking me personally just because I haven't caved to sjwism... how dare you insult me like that, I wouldn't insult you like that... and this is how it is on ANY issue if you don't agree with the sjw line... not just this but every single issue... sjwism simply needs to be crushed... I have every right to my religious views regardless of Westernized some people have become.

Answer my question. What happens to a woman with ectopic that can't abort.

Actually answer the question.

Your deen is that abortion is haram unless rape, mothers health and fetus defects.

I'm freaking out because a woman's Islamic rights to abort when her health is at risk is jeapordised and when she is raped.

Not thinking about that is why I called you selfish..

Actually read before calling people Western.

 

[Omar del Sur]

hey I'm not reading your post Angelina. not only Islam but all the major religions are against abortion. and so because I support what my religion says and I haven't sold out to Westernization you call me selfish??? because I haven't been mentally colonized by whites??

well anyways, I openly admitted I don't know what ectopic means. and in fact I still don't know what ectopic means.

but I come across this

"Supreme Court abortion ruling does not ban treatment for ectopic pregnancies; pro-choice claim is dangerous

Pro-choice advocates' talking point about ectopic pregnancies isn't just false, it's dangerous​

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However, the ectopic pregnancy talking point is not just false, it is dangerous. These pregnancies can be life-threatening and must be addressed as soon as possible. These interventions are not abortions and even restrictive states expressly state so...

This is reflected in some of the most restrictive laws. Oklahoma's law, for example, expressly states, "An act is not an abortion if the act is performed with the purpose to... remove an ectopic pregnancy." Texas, Louisiana and other states have the same express exemption. However, even if the law were silent on ectopic pregnancies, it is doubtful that the courts would ignore the medical and factual classifications to treat such emergency procedures as abortions or ignore that the mother's life is in danger from such pregnancies."

Supreme Court abortion ruling does not ban treatment for ectopic pregnancies; pro-choice claim is dangerous

False claims in reaction to the Dobbs decision by pro-choice politicians and others about treatment not being available for women with ectopic pregnancies are dangerous.

www.foxnews.com

now apparently it's fox and I'm sure many will screech about it being fox... ok I condemn a lot about fox but where is the evidence??? where is the evidence for this tall about ectopic pregnancies?? I have seen zeeeeero evidence of this talking point about ectopic pregnancies and unless this article is straight up lying about easily checkable facts- the laws are not going after procedures for ectopic pregnancies. yet again, as usual the sjws are full of deceit.

and btw there is zero justification to presume I'm against procedures for ectopic pregnancies. but supposedly both I'm against these procedures and I'm a bad person... just because I believe in what my religion says

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

How is it misinformation when actual news stations and articles have mentioned this:

I was like, 'Don’t make her an appointment,'" Dr. Jessica Rubino, an abortion provider at Austin Women’s Health Center, recounted telling her staff. "'Get her out of the state. Get on the phone with someone in another clinic and make sure she can get an abortion because I will not be able to do it here. I’m going to have to wait till she’s actually dying.'"

My lawyer told me, 'Unless they are on that table dying in front of you, you cannot do an abortion on them or you are breaking the law,'" she said, adding, "How am I supposed to help people from jail?"

Abortion ban exceptions: What legally constitutes a 'life-threatening emergency'?

New abortion bans make exceptions for cases in which the mother’s life is at stake. Doctors wonder which threats are serious enough to absolve them of legal risk.

www.google.com

This is the experience of actual doctors on the field. Doctors are waiting the last minute or not at all due to fear risking women to actually die when doctors could have done it earlier.

I'm sorry, but any married woman needs to be worried. This is messed up.

It's misinformation for the following reasons

1. All states allow for medical exemptions regarding abortion
2. Ectopic pregnancies aren't even defined as abortion ie they're allowed by law
3. Miscarriages are also allowed by law
4. Medical necessities account for less than 3% of all abortions


More than 95 % of all abortions that are carried out have nothing to do with any medical necessity. That's why it's disingenuous of that Dr to act as if the reason why she would be held accountable is simply due to carrying out abortion as a medical necessity.

She is well aware that majority of the abortion that she carries out has nothing to do with such necessities and will be prosecuted for it without a doubt. The best thing she can do is appeal to medical necessities to gather support for abortion even though the state law is explicit in that it makes exemptions for medical necessities.

Where the problem lies is her interpretation and not what the law actual states. When you also factor in the obvious fact that majority of abortions these drs carry out have nothing to do with medical emergencies it makes sense for them to completely cover themselves before anything else.

Even more shocking is that those laws allowing for medical exemptions were there prior to the ban meaning they had the same burden of proof prior and post the abortion ban. How come the law is now a problem when it's exactly the same as before the ban ?

Continued appeal to medical emergencies that are allowed by law and which amount to less than 5% of all abortions so as to advocate for unrestricted abortion is without a doubt disingenuous and deliberate misinformation.

Definition of what a Medical emergency is according to texas state law

HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE CHAPTER 171. ABORTION