Collectivism or Individualism

[Cilmi-doon]

Muusa AS was living a relatively safe life in Madyan but ended up risking his neck to save his enslaved people from Firaun’s tyranny.

 

[Xasusi]

Collectivism means you HAVE to take care of the child your wife bared with a man she cheated on you with.

So its a cuck philosophy

 

[Xasusi]

Muusa AS was living a relatively safe life in Madyan but ended up risking his neck to save his enslaved people from Firaun’s tyranny.

Thats dumb, he was a prophet of God. He had to do it.

 

[Cilmi-doon]

Thats dumb, he was a prophet of God. He had to do it.

Just like how you’re required to follow the commandments of your lord.

 

[Medulla]

It's similar to the issue of economic calculation in regards to polanyi socialism. You sound like a neo liberal or hayekian.

I would never consider myself a neo-liberal cause there may be single issues I may agree on but as a whole NEVER. The economic calculation problem is one of my favourite topics yes I do believe in it only causes of the existents of a certain group of people XD. Currently reading " Islam and the moral economy by Charles tipp" you got any recommendations.

My dream is Islamic Economic system if I can't get that Ill advocate for socialist or Marxist policies as that is more cadaan friendly and digestible to the masses .

 

[Apollo]

Extreme individualism in the West.

Somewhat collectivist when it comes to Somalis or Somalia.

 

[Apollo]

Depends where I am. In the West = Pure Individualism, In Somalia more Collectivism

Collectivism be like

Nah, collectivism is a broader term than that.

Japanese people and South Koreans are socially collectivist, but their economic system is capitalist.

It is more about how people behave socially than about economics.

 

[Samaalic Era]

Collectivism means you HAVE to take care of the child your wife bared with a man she cheated on you with.

So its a cuck philosophy

That has nothing to do with collectivism. You throw out that thing to qashin

 

[Samaalic Era]

Extreme individualism in the West.

Somewhat collectivist when it comes to Somalis or Somalia.

The Western environment makes ppl more individualistic. I need to look into this more and compare it to other modern countries

 

[Helios]

Nah, collectivism is a broader term than that.

Japanese people and South Koreans are socially collectivist, but their economic system is capitalist.

It is more about how people behave socially than about economics.

Culturally no in the West I don't care what others are up to. This group unity however is pretty useful for things like development which Japan managed to pull off so quickly.

 

[Apollo]

The Western environment makes ppl more individualistic. I need to look into this more and compare it to other modern countries

The British are the most individualistic of Europe and they created North America and much of the rest of the West.

Could be because of Protestantism and or other ancient cultural movements in the Northwest of Europe.

North vs South Italy difference is shocking.

 

[Medulla]

Nah, collectivism is a broader term than that.

Japanese people and South Koreans are socially collectivist, but their economic system is capitalist.

It is more about how people behave socially than about economics.

In the case of Japan and Korea there system both social and economic system has been forced upon it's people. Collectivism requires prioritizing group interest and an extroverted mindset. Yet Japanese youth are increasingly introverted, forgo their duties to society by not seeking marriage and becoming NEETS. It's not real collectivism it's some weird forced participation and it's deteriorating fast these days. Japan and Korea will become like China and only give a shit about themselves and ignore others


You might like this article talks about collectivism in japan and it's possible links to people's DNA.https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...th/dna-influence-japans-collectivist-society/

 

[Xasusi]

The British are the most individualistic of Europe and they created North America and much of the rest of the West.

Could be because of Protestantism and or other ancient cultural movements in the Northwest of Europe.

North vs South Italy difference is shocking.

All the rich areas are individualists.

 

[Apollo]

All the rich areas are individualists.

Catalonia, South France, Austria are fairly rich and collectivist. Hungary is poor and individualist.

But your overall assessment is correct.

 

[Medulla]

Culturally no in the West I don't care what others are up to. This group unity however is pretty useful for things like development which Japan managed to pull off so quickly.

You want rapid growth and Industrialization for your NATION you say ? Well have I got the product for you good man!

It's called Nationalism, introduce this system for as little as twenty years and I guarantee economic success or YOUR MONEY BACK!

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This ideology only works when all participants agree to not undermine each others efforts for the entirety of the implementation period

 

[Helios]

The British are the most individualistic of Europe and they created North America and much of the rest of the West.

Could be because of Protestantism and or other ancient cultural movements in the Northwest of Europe.

North vs South Italy difference is shocking.

Italy is all the industrial vs agrarian economy. The southerners are close knit farmers and the northerners are stereo typically rough and cold people. Hungary is also interesting. No clue if that is because of modern impacts ie the revolution in the 50's or maybe a scar of Ottoman/Austrian imperialism on them.

 

[Cilmi-doon]

Thats dumb, he was a prophet of God. He had to do it.

Prophets are sons of Adam AS just like ever other human being. They are perfect exemplars of how a simple human can live by Allah’s divine commandments.

 

[Mckenzie]

Even the most individualistic societies have a collective mindset, they protect their rich and disregard the working class.

 

[NoSafety]

Ideally the common person should aim to be a mix of both, leaning more towards individualism. People who brought about great change to the world and helped people's lives were usually outstanding in their chracter and were very individualistic. But Anyone who's extreme on either end isn't as fruitfull as he/she can be in my opinion.

But it also depends, if you're in a military environment collectivism is absolute, no question, you can't help yourself much there. Everyone in the military is taught how to think and feel, they're machines.

The gimmick is that society as a whole basically programs you to be an obedient citizen and feel average, whilst sometimes ironically call for people to be "themselves" more...

 

[Basra]

Which one would you categorise yourself as?

Are the interests of the collective more important to you or would you put your personal interest first at the expense of the collective

I am a narcissist. I can't be collective. Even though my job is Manager, to manager others and supervise, i always put myself first. I never think of others. I can't cut this habit.