Cabiid mentality

[Halimo-2018]

Our mentality as a people is too damn toxic and is detrimental to us in every aspect, culturally, politically, and socially. Our obsessions with the Arabs is nasty and this want to go the extremes for their approval is pathetic. We are just obedient dogs for them to toy with and take advantage of and we are okay with that because they are our Muslim brothers. We adopt all their negative policies and behaviors just to show how loyal and obedient we are.

We changed our traditional dress for them, adopting Arabic culture and sharia law, and our language is getting ever so fuct every day with Somalia and Somaliland taking Arabic as one of its official languages all in the name of the religion (but these things aren't required to be a Muslim). Furthermore, we personify and exude their racism, bigotry, and hatred. Not to mention, our close-mindedness and intolerance for new ideas and different thinking. These are all characteristics that are holding back the Arab world but we unconditionally champion them.

Don't misunderstand me walaalayal; I am not going after or trying to bash the religion but I think we need to learn to separate religion and the Arabs. Why do we insult Madows, where is this hatred present in us but no other black Africans coming from? I really hope we don't disappear linguistically and culturally, I really hope we don't become just another Arabanized country.

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I dont know what you talking about arabs rarely come to mind i am busy wearing my baati and dirac. Not all of us are obsessed with arabs heck i dont know anyone that does a lot of my friends hate arabs due to their experience in Saudi because of hw abusive they are.
anyways somalis enslave each other with tribalism focus on that bs first.

 

[Toriye]

Okay, this a lot, lemme try and break this down without being harsh and actually contribute to this thread.....





Alright nothing wrong with this, but just a heads up, cultures change and advance as do languages.



It's not.

A bunch of qurbajoog kids who have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Arabs decided to be alarmist and make up this lie I don't see Somali being Arabized. If you're really worried about Arabic loan words just remember, Spanish has way more Arabic loan words in it's language and I don't see Spaniards complaining. I also fail to see how having Arabic loan words is also a bad thing. On top of this I don't see the same energy for Swahili, Farsi, English, Hindi and Italian loan words as well.




Okay I get the feeling you believe in Freedom of Speech, of thought and of expression.

I don't wanna strawman you, but this is the vibes I'm getting from you. I have to say you're playing with fire there.

Reason being: If we use this line of thinking we will find that under freedom of speech and expression we'll find that, yes, we can state new ideas and express them, but you can also use freedom of speech to rebut those ideas and make a case against them. Some new, and old ideas do deserve to be criticized.




Also, ask yourself do you really want Somalis, the very same Somalis who are on tiktok, getting freedom of expression, expressing themselves?











Consider this following verse in the Quran:

"This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion".[Quran 5:3]


Allah (SWT) has perfected your religion for you there's no need to change it.






Also consider this following verse as well:


"And judge, [O Muúammad], between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations and beware of them, lest they tempt you away from some of what Allah has revealed to you. And if they turn away – then know that Allah only intends to afflict them with some of their [own] sins. And indeed, many among the people are defiantly disobedient."[Quran 5:49]




You cannot use any other law other than what Allah(SWT) has preordained and to call what Allah(SWT) has prescribed for to be "outdated and too brutal for our time" is blasphemous and you also said "which is why I believe it will be (slightly) revised to fit and suitmodern people" to alter what God had brought down for you is also blasphemous.

Alright nothing wrong with this, but just a heads up, cultures change and advance as do languages.

Culture and language will naturally change with time, that is completely natural and I am not against it. However, there is positive and negative changes that can occur in societies. An example of a negative change is when a country or a people lose their culture and language entirely. A positive change is where you build and advance the culture and language already in place. North Sudan is an example of a negative change, they had their own language and culture at some point but now they are just another Arabanized people. Egypt is also another good example. Marka sxb, there is value in our beautiful culture and langue but if we don't see that we are going to lose them. And this isn't me being an alarmist, we are already in transition to being Arabanized? It is not borrowed words anymore sxb, we are literally replacing functional and popular words like suuli with baytul xamaam (wtf is that if not Arabnization?).

Okay I get the feeling you believe in Freedom of Speech, of thought and of expression.

I don't wanna strawman you, but this is the vibes I'm getting from you. I have to say you're playing with fire there.

Reason being: If we use this line of thinking we will find that under freedom of speech and expression we'll find that, yes, we can state new ideas and express them, but you can also use freedom of speech to rebut those ideas and make a case against them. Some new, and old ideas do deserve to be criticized.




Also, ask yourself do you really want Somalis, the very same Somalis who are on tiktok, getting freedom of expression, expressing themselves?

I do bro. Even the Somalis on tiktok deserve to be heard
We shouldn't just adopt new ideas just because their new, we should be able to criticize them and refute them wherever it is possible. That is a good thing.

You cannot use any other law other than what Allah(SWT) has preordained and to call what Allah(SWT) has prescribed for to be "outdated and too brutal for our time" is blasphemous and you also said "which is why I believe it will be (slightly) revised to fit and suitmodern people" to alter what God had brought down for you is also blasphemous

"A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old" I hope you don't follow this law for obvious reasons. That is disgusting and has no place in this modern era. "A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery" This is also problematic, again for obvious reasons.
"A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim." Acuudubillah.
" Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab"
"Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands " Do you want your dumb son getting his hands cut for making a dumb mistake in his youth? Too harsh brother.
"A man can beat his wife for insubordination" Don't beat your wife...just don't.

As you see wallaal some of these laws have no place in our modern societies (and definitely not in our government) and will obviously have to be changed completely or revised.

 

[P4$t0]

North Sudan is an example of a negative change, they had their own language and culture at some point but now they are just another Arabanized people.

I always see Sudan being brought as an example of Arabization.

Horta, do you know why Sudan, despite already having an indigenous language(s), adopted Arabic?

It was because they wanted to get closer to Islam, and here's the kicker, no one forced Arab culture upon them.


"Although not all Muslims in the region were Arabic-speaking, acceptance of Islam facilitated the Arabization process. There was no policy of proselytism, however. Islam penetrated the area over a long period of time through intermarriage and contacts with Arab merchants and settlers."

We shouldn't just adopt new ideas just because their new, we should be able to criticize them and refute them wherever it is possible. That is a good thing.

Like I said before, you're playing with fire by giving Somalis these civil liberties and personal freedoms.

As an American I am somewhat grateful for these ideals and can only appreciate them as an American, but as a Somali I know these ideals are just that, ideals, plus the make way for people delving into degeneracy and they'll say they're expressing themselves by law.

Saaxib, you and I both know Somalis are not a degenerate people...... to an extent.

"A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old" I hope you don't follow this law for obvious reasons. That is disgusting and has no place in this modern era. "A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery" This is also problematic, again for obvious reasons.
"A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim." Acuudubillah.
" Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab"
"Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands " Do you want your dumb son getting his hands cut for making a dumb mistake in his youth? Too harsh brother.
"A man can beat his wife for insubordination" Don't beat your wife...just don't.

I was actually gonna take the time to go and debunk these myths one-by-one but, the source you used to find these arguments are from an anti-islamic website.

Come on akhi, I thought you were smarter than this?

 

[Okiale]

How long do we indheergarad malis continue to preach this message without taking action. We know the disease, it symptoms and its ugly manifestations. Let us do something for heaven's sake. At this point those of us who love our culture and race will have to separate from the adoon mentality Arab worshiping crowd and form our own organizations and clubs. I look at these people and I scream inside: there is no way we are the same. God did not imbue with the same spirit. I'm better than that.