Burkina Faso makes more in revenue from Gold than all Somali states combined

[Zak12]

They were inside mogadishu before foreign powers helped push them out, and just look at all the land they own, i can guarantee you if they manage to besiege xamar again you will see all the politicians on the first flight

Yes we know that Mogadishu was controlled by them until 2011 but that was back when Al-Shabab was an actual formidable force. They were having major losses from 2012-2013 which forced them to transition into a guerilla movement that could now only take villages and bases.

To prove my point, here is an analysis from westpoint from last year that assesses the capabilities of the SNA and Al-Shabab. It pretty much states what we already know: that Al-Shabab is militarily stronger and more cohesive than SNA. However, they make it very clear that Somalia is unlikely to face an Afghanistan situation.

The Somali National Army Versus al-Shabaab: A Net Assessment - Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

Abstact: An important question for the future of Somalia is if the African Union withdraws the remainder of its forces from the country by December 31, 2024, would the Somali National Army (SNA) or al-Shabaab be stronger militarily? According to a net assessment conducted by the author across...

ctc.westpoint.edu

In Somalia, the ATMIS exit raises legitimate security concerns, but a similarly rapid and complete collapse of the SNA and total victory for al-Shabaab is unlikely. Not only would the SNA retain significant external security assistance from the United States, Turkey, the European Union, UAE, Qatar, the United Kingdom, and other countries, but ATMIS’ departure would undermine a key element of al-Shabaab propaganda. Moreover, the SNA already endured the partial withdrawal of a key security partner when the Trump administration removed most of the roughly 700 U.S. troops from Somalia in December 2020. The impact on the SNA was not positive but nor was it catastrophic: The United States retained its logistical, training, and mentorship support packages, and many of the withdrawn troops continued “commuting to work” from the wider region and Europe. In May 2022, the Biden administration redeployed some 450 U.S. soldiers to Somalia. The issue at hand is whether the departure of ATMIS could be more consequential.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Yes we know that Mogadishu was controlled by them until 2011 but that was back when Al-Shabab was an actual formidable force. They were having major losses from 2012-2013 which forced them to transition into a guerilla movement that could now only take villages and bases.

To prove my point, here is an analysis from westpoint from last year that assesses the capabilities of the SNA and Al-Shabab. It pretty much states what we already know: that Al-Shabab is militarily stronger and more cohesive than SNA. However, they make it very clear that Somalia is unlikely to face an Afghanistan situation.

The Somali National Army Versus al-Shabaab: A Net Assessment - Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

Abstact: An important question for the future of Somalia is if the African Union withdraws the remainder of its forces from the country by December 31, 2024, would the Somali National Army (SNA) or al-Shabaab be stronger militarily? According to a net assessment conducted by the author across...

ctc.westpoint.edu

In Somalia, the ATMIS exit raises legitimate security concerns, but a similarly rapid and complete collapse of the SNA and total victory for al-Shabaab is unlikely. Not only would the SNA retain significant external security assistance from the United States, Turkey, the European Union, UAE, Qatar, the United Kingdom, and other countries, but ATMIS’ departure would undermine a key element of al-Shabaab propaganda. Moreover, the SNA already endured the partial withdrawal of a key security partner when the Trump administration removed most of the roughly 700 U.S. troops from Somalia in December 2020. The impact on the SNA was not positive but nor was it catastrophic: The United States retained its logistical, training, and mentorship support packages, and many of the withdrawn troops continued “commuting to work” from the wider region and Europe. In May 2022, the Biden administration redeployed some 450 U.S. soldiers to Somalia. The issue at hand is whether the departure of ATMIS could be more consequential.

Lol they only had like 2500 at that time theyre way stronger now, and he is right in assuming al shabab cant take over mogadishu now but as i said if foreign countries decided to not support somalia anymore which will happen in the next decade, al shabaab will definitely have chances at taking over

 

[Zak12]

Lol they only had like 2500 at that time theyre way stronger now, and he is right in assuming al shabab cant take over mogadishu now but as i said if foreign countries decided to not support somalia anymore which will happen in the next decade, al shabaab will definitely have chances at taking over

SNA is over twice the size of AS but numbers aren't important here, its morale and training.

America, Turkey and Qatar defintely aren't stopping support anytime soon but a decade will be enough for a government reform.

 

[Midas]

I've said this before on another thread several days ago. But if you legitimately think traroe is somehow changing burkina faso and is some super leader. Your opinions on politics can be safely ignored.

 

[Idilinaa]

Bit of a fancy way to say youre gonne fall back into mooryan times, No foreign troops= Weaker FGS= faster al shabaab victory (which already owns more lands than fgs btw)

If they move to mobilize domestic revenue sources, it would actually strengthen their local legitimacy.

Let’s not forget the warlords of the past were largely funded by outsiders. Their only domestic “revenue” came from extortion at checkpoints. In contrast, the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), which defeated them, was funded by local donations and backed by the business community.

As for Al-Shabaab, they’re not as strong as people make them out to be. There was a whole thread breaking this down, they get easily routed by local militias(Ma'Wisley), and the Ethiopian army (despite its current internal challenges with Fano) handles them without much difficulty, not to mention the Somali Liyu Police/Regional police whenever Al-Shabaab tries to cross into Ethiopia.

They’re paper tigers in every sense of the word. What makes them appear powerful is the incompetence and dysfunction of the FGS, not any inherent strength on their part.

If we present a viable alternative to the current FGS administration and focus on strengthening local legitimacy, I genuinely believe things will start to shift in a positive direction , it won’t lead to an Al-Shabaab takeover.

 

[Neptune]

Traore is a special leader. He's setting the standard for Africa. In just 2 years he's made Burkina Faso $100 trillion in wealth

 

[Idilinaa]

Traore is a special leader. He's setting the standard for Africa. In just 2 years he's made Burkina Faso $100 trillion in wealth

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I’ve never seen a leader so heavily glorified that people feel the need to exaggerate just to promote him. Most leaders, no matter who they are, usually face criticism

But I guess all it takes now is holding daily press conferences in military gear, shouting 'Go away France,' and you’ll get top-tier PR

 

[Enlightenednomad]

He traded French bondage for Russian. He'll end up becoming the typical despotic kleptocrat from the dark continent.

I don't take anyone that praises him seriously.

 

[NidarNidar]

I've said this before on another thread several days ago. But if you legitimately think traroe is somehow changing burkina faso and is some super leader. Your opinions on politics can be safely ignored.

Why you a hater.

 

[Midas]

Why you a hater.

Im sorry but a random military african leader in a country which is landlocked and mostly desert. Where only 20% of the pouplation has acess to electricity. And over 40% of the country is controlled by several different jihadist militas. The odds are frankly terrible. He also came in to power by overthrowing the guy who did the first coup.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Im sorry but a random military african leader in a country which is landlocked and mostly desert. Where only 20% of the pouplation has acess to electricity. And over 40% of the country is controlled by several different jihadist militas. The odds are frankly terrible. He also came in to power by overthrowing the guy who did the first coup.

You literally described Somalia

 

[Zak12]

You literally described Somalia

Somalia's population actually has more access to electricity than some other countries.

 

[NidarNidar]

Im sorry but a random military african leader in a country which is landlocked and mostly desert. Where only 20% of the pouplation has acess to electricity. And over 40% of the country is controlled by several different jihadist militas. The odds are frankly terrible. He also came in to power by overthrowing the guy who did the first coup.

Ibrahim Traoré's rise to power in Burkina Faso is marked by two military coups. this guy was born in 1988, he joined the military in 2009 and became a captain by 2022, leading an artillery regiment. In January 2022, he played a key role in the coup that ousted President Roch Marc Christian Kaboré due to the growing jihadist insurgency. & in September 2022, Traoré led a second coup, overthrowing Lieutenant Colonel Paul-Henri Damiba, who had replaced Kaboré earlier that year. Traoré and many younger officers were frustrated with Damiba's inability to handle the security situation. After the coup, Traoré assumed the presidency on October 6, 2022, and pledged to address the country's security challenges, and has had several attempts on his life and pressure from US generals Langley(uncle tom)

Under his leadership, Burkina Faso shifted its foreign policy, distancing itself from France and inviting Russian mercenaries, including the Wagner Group, to help fight the jihadists. While this move garnered some domestic support, it also raised concerns internationally(no more free milk for France) . Despite his popularity for his anti-Western stance, Traoré faces significant challenges, including worsening jihadist attacks(guess who funds them), widespread displacement of civilians, caused by these Western-backed jihadists. The situation was worse when the French mercenaries were in the country.

It's not random that this country has had 9 coups since its since independence, France has been suckling on the breasts of ECOWAS since 1975, they literally printed their currency, and didn't pay a dime for any of the goods, they paid all goods in CFA franks, ECOWAS is a regional political and economic union of 15 West African countries, estimated to be 164b globally, and unknown amount outside illegally.

 

[Midas]

You literally described Somalia

Nothing I have described is even remotely similar to somalia
1) 50% of the pouplation in somalia has acess to electricity and 80% of the urban pouplation does
2) the only part of Somalia which is unstable is southern Somalia and even then there is only 1 group alshab vs the dozen militas active in burkina faso.
3) even Al-Shabaab doesn't go into random villages and masscare eerybody which is something that happens in burkina faso.
4) Somalia is semi-arid half of burkina faso is part of the sahara desert .

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Somalia's population actually has more access to electricity than some other countries.

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flexing 40% is insane

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Nothing I have described is even remotely similar to somalia
1) 50% of the pouplation in somalia has acess to electricity and 80% of the urban pouplation does
2) the only part of Somalia which is unstable is southern Somalia and even then there is only 1 group alshab vs the dozen militas active in burkina faso.
3) even Al-Shabaab doesn't go into random villages and masscare eerybody which is something that happens in burkina faso.
4) Somalia is semi-arid half of burkina faso is part of the sahara desert .

south isnt just unstable its a shitshow financed by foreign countries, if foreign countries cut their aid to somalia it would have a hard time functioning and will probably collapse, cant say the same for ibrahim traore

And shabaab controls more land than any group in burkina faso, shabaab nearly got the capital city, something that never happened in burkina faso and the list goes on

 

[Zak12]

flexing 40% is insane

It shows a clear improvement in Somalia's energy industry. Ethiopia isn't shown on there but its access is around 50-55%

 

[Zak12]

50% of the pouplation in somalia has acess to electricity and 80% of the urban pouplation does

Thinking on this, I wonder if this figure ignores the nomads in Somalia as well in which case it the access could be lower than 50%. @Idilinaa what do you think?

 

[Barkhadle1520]

It shows a clear improvement in Somalia's energy industry. Ethiopia isn't shown on there but its access is around 50-55%

not every step forward is worth sharing, this is just pathetic

 

[Zak12]

not every step forward is worth sharing, this is just pathetic

Sxb why are you so negative all of a sudden? This is Somalispot, sharing news about Somalia however small or big is fine.