PUNTLAND Bosaso Port Development

[Gambar]

Balkanization will not work. All it will do is create more conflict, over who owns what land, who owns what resources and so on. Say oil is found tomorrow in the disputed galmudug/puntland region. Now what? War is inevitable.

What's even the point in splitting up? How come other African countries are capable of living under centralized governments but Somalis are somehow unable to? Somalia is stronger together, if people move beyond clan divisions.

Clearly nationalism and unity doesn't work. There's no balkanizing as different states would still be under the federal administration of Somalia while protecting sovereignty of states and land.

The Hawiye attack on Darood during the civil war taught us (Majerteen at least) to go back to our regions and enforce borders and protect our people. There is still on going conflict in Mudug, hence the green line in Galkayco.

Because of clan fighting, massacres, and cleansing it's better for different clans to be in charge of their own affairs. That's how Somalis solve disputes via the xeer system anyway.

 

[Lord Flacko]

There is no need, centralization was the reason the full scale civil war caused so much damage. When Hargeisa was attacked, life went on but when Mogadishu was attacked the entire country crumbled. Everybody should be able to take care of their own affairs and business but respect the federal government.

Centralization was far from the reason there was a Civil War.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

The same ppl that were dragging and slamming SL for the berbera deal have went the same path. Reer Bermudas have lost there criticism card of SL today. Yesterday you were accusing Ethiopia of taking 19% for free, y'all better pray this deal is better than the Berbera deal, if u guys own

U guys really take every word of Ethiopia and UAE (who massacred 41 landers) as truth? Ok

[Q"XamarCade, post: 520520, member: 2169"]The idoors need the rick James slap
View attachment 15361 even crackheads know that's a bad deal

http://www.somalispot.com/threads/ethiopia-takes-19-share-in-berbera-port-for-free.21671/page-5

 

[Lord Flacko]

Clearly nationalism and unity doesn't work. There's no balkanizing as different states would still be under the federal administration of Somalia while protecting sovereignty of states and land.

The Hawiye attack on Darood during the civil war taught us (Majerteen at least) to go back to our regions and enforce borders and protect our people. There is still on going conflict in Mudug, hence the green line in Galkayco.

Because of clan fighting, massacres, and cleansing it's better for different clans to be in charge of their own affairs. That's how Somalis solve disputes via the xeer system anyway.

So you want to go back to the simple african style that got us colonized in the first place? Same style that all Somalis officially separated from eachother by colonial powers?

Centralization was what stopped tuulo vs tuulo bullshit. But nowadays every village have a militia with guns smh

Somalis will never prosper as long as there's a my tuulo vs yours mentality. There is no single decentralized successful state in the world. All it will enable is for the local clan elders to stay in power and do nothing but chew khat all day.

People will still be in charge of their own tuulo drama with a centralized government.

 

[Gambar]

So you want to go back to the simple african style that got us colonized in the first place? Same style that all Somalis officially separated from eachother by colonial powers?

Centralization was what stopped tuulo vs tuulo bullshit. But nowadays every village have a militia with guns smh

Somalis will never prosper as long as there's a my tuulo vs yours mentality. There is no single decentralized successful state in the world. All it will enable is for the local clan elders to stay in power and do nothing but chew khat all day.

People will still be in charge of their own tuulo drama with a centralized government.

Yes, everybody stay out of each other's affairs and focus on themselves. Habar Gidir have no place in Majerteen affairs and vice versa.

Somalilanders were really naive to believe in unity, they were championing it so hard until they learned their lesson the hard way. Somalis are xasid.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Centralization was far from the reason there was a Civil War.

True, but it made the suffering worse due to everyone investing in one city losing everything. Xamar was the center of the universe for somalis,

 

[MadNomad]

Clearly nationalism and unity doesn't work. There's no balkanizing as different states would still be under the federal administration of Somalia while protecting sovereignty of states and land.

The Hawiye attack on Darood during the civil war taught us (Majerteen at least) to go back to our regions and enforce borders and protect our people. There is still on going conflict in Mudug, hence the green line in Galkayco.

Because of clan fighting, massacres, and cleansing it's better for different clans to be in charge of their own affairs. That's how Somalis solve disputes via the xeer system anyway.

Your logic is flawed. You act like if unity failed once, it will always fail in the future. A lot of countries in this world have gone through civil wars and ethnic genocides. Many of them simply moved on, they didin't split into different regions.

What does being ''under the federal administration of Somalia'' actually mean in practise? We get to call the country ''Somalia'' officially, but in actuality all the different regions will operate as if they are different countries, with their own flags and military? Will this not weaken the ''country'' of Somalia?

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Let us hope that the deal does not give Ethiopia any share in Bosaso.
This makes control over SSC even more important for Puntland because any potential route to Ethiopia will have to go through SSC towards K5.

Bosaso can do 2 things:
1- Export livestock from the south, Puntland and K5
2- Service Ethiopia's bulk import needs.

New roads are needed for both of those things to happen.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Yes, everybody stay out of each other's affairs and focus on themselves. Habar Gidir have no place in Majerteen affairs and vice versa.

Somalilanders were really naive to believe in unity, they were championing it so hard until they learned their lesson the hard way. Somalis are xasid.

What's gonna happen when you have a pure Isaaq state and suddenly the infighting turns from qabiil vs qabiil to sub clan vs sub clan? Because instead of treating the problem, which is what you said "Somalis are xasiid", you're treating the symptom and it's bound to show up again.

Somaliland can't even agree within their own claimed borders on the topic going independent. You think that is going to disappear? The SL administration will just become what they were originally fighting against.


Let's say every clan stick to their own affairs. Then not long after people will tell every sub clan to stick to their own affair. So on and so forth this will happen, especially as the sub clans grow, until the actual problem is fixed.

Sub clans today or 20 years ago can't agree or stay civil with eachother alot of the time and you want to exacerbate that? With every tuulo having a milita, everybody will turn on eachother because they already separated from other clans so they're not the problem this time.

 

[Gambar]

Your logic is flawed. You act like if unity failed once, it will always fail in the future. A lot of countries in this world have gone through civil wars and ethnic genocides. Many of them simply moved on, they didin't split into different regions.

What does being ''under the federal administration of Somalia'' actually mean in practise? We get to call the country ''Somalia'' officially, but in actuality all the different regions will operate as if they are different countries, with their own flags and military? Will this not weaken the ''country'' of Somalia?

Does the USA not operate with individual states handling their own affairs but being united under one nation as the USA?

It's called a balance of power and checks and balances. There are institutions in place to protect this.

You're talking about unity of Somalia but where are the institutions to even make this happen?

How about the country build actual institutions before talking about create unity and no borders and bringing back Somaliland. How about defeating Al Shabab and corruption?

 

[Inquisitive_]

You guys need to make a very clear distinction between Somaliland and the few Mafia elites and their charlatans in P/land.

Somaliland has legitimate grievances that cannot be ignored and is very easy to reconcile with, if it was up to me I would pass the leadership to them.

The latter however (also responsible for the former grievances) do not want to see a stable functioning Somalia at all unless their corrupt colonial loving uncles are at the helm because it hurts their business model which profits of anarchy/civil war like they had for decades, massive conflict of interest.

The rest are all in favour of centralised government these are J/land, Galmudug, Benadir, South-West and Hiirshabelle, that's 80% of Somali's. Hell even Kilika5 and NFD are 1000x more nationalist then these scumbag spineless treacherous elite supporters of the bermuda hordes

 

[Gambar]

What's gonna happen when you have a pure Isaaq state and suddenly the infighting turns from qabiil vs qabiil to sub clan vs sub clan? Because instead of treating the problem, which is what you said "Somalis are xasiid", you're treating the symptom and it's bound to show up again.

Somaliland can't even agree within their own claimed borders on the topic going independent. You think that is going to disappear? The SL administration will just become what they were originally fighting against.


Let's say every clan stick to their own affairs. Then not long after people will tell every sub clan to stick to their own affair. So on and so forth this will happen, especially as the sub clans grow, until the actual problem is fixed.

Sub clans today or 20 years ago can't agree or stay civil with eachother alot of the time and you want to exacerbate that? With every tuulo having a milita, everybody will turn on eachother.

That's none of your concern. Let Isaaq deal with their own issues at the end of the day. Every region should focus on themselves.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Can't believe people are advocating for the exact shit Europeans would call Africans primitive for doing. And they weren't wrong.

That's none of your concern. Let Isaaq deal with their own issues at the end of the day. Every region should focus on themselves.

What am I infringing on some clans right by giving my opinion online?


I wasn't even doing what you're saying, I was replying to you.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Icitiraaf Majerteen edition

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

@Gambar dont bother with these people

 

[Inquisitive_]

Yes, everybody stay out of each other's affairs and focus on themselves. Habar Gidir have no place in Majerteen affairs and vice versa.

Eedo Your a Somali women meel iska fadhiiso maxaa ku dhibeey? you have no qabiil anyway and like all other Somali women you have honour in our eyes.

That's why 90% of our intermarriage is your women and our men, why do you think that's the case?

You have no male's with dignity pride or honour that's why, reer bermuda are the biggest fucking beta cucks everywhere you go even on this very forum, waliba the champions of gaalinimo bila xishood

You never see these types of bakhti's amongst us due to our upbringings, waxno ha is waalin you will likely end up with one of us anyway likely many before you

 

[MadNomad]

Does the USA not operate with individual states handling their own affairs but being united under one nation as the USA?

It's called a balance of power and checks and balances. There are institutions in place to protect this.

You're talking about unity of Somalia but where are the institutions to even make this happen?

How about the country build actual institutions before talking about create unity and no borders and bringing back Somaliland. How about defeating Al Shabab and corruption?

States don't act like their own countries in the US. Somalia dosen't exist right now, Puntland is basically its own nation and answers to no one. If Somalia wants to move towards a US type system i wouldn't mind that.

How about building these institutions? That's my point, that should be the goal. Defeating al shabab and moving towards some semblance of unity.

 

[XamarCade]

I don't follow alternative facts.


You were one of the ones bad mouthing it ninyahow.

Of course,

http://www.somalispot.com/threads/ethiopia-takes-19-share-in-berbera-port-for-free.21671/page-5

I can talk shit about because it's a bad deal, u puntites were criticizing them and just did the exact same thing y'all was criticising SL for

 

[Gambar]

Can't believe people are advocating for the exact shit Europeans would call Africans primitive for doing. And they weren't wrong.

What am I infringing on some clans right by giving my opinion online?


I wasn't even doing what you're saying, I was replying to you.

What's the point of even commenting on Somaliland when they call you wanlaweyn? Let's not act like theres any such thing as Somalinimo. How many southerners complain of being made fun of when they went to Hargeisa? Just let Somalilanders handle their own shit and problems with other Dir, Harti etc.

Not believing in unity has nothing to do with Europeans, actually Italians advocated for unity under Italian Somaliland. Somalis always handle affairs through clan mediation. Clan is superior in Somalia.

What's the point of unity when there's no institutions? It makes no sense. 26 years of chaos and Somalis still harp on about unity, nationalism, Somalinimo, qaran when there are 0 institutions to speak of to this day; still.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Punt/Bari is a region of Somalia. That will never change. I've noticed there's been a rise in fellow Puntites wanting "independence"...