BORAMA ECONOMY DETERIORATED DUE TO IT'S DIR STAND ON LAASCAANOOD

[Arkan]

It's not common for someone young to be politically savvy. It's even rarer among Beesha Samaroon, no offence but those in the west are usually politically disinterested/apathetic, unaware or maintain some sense of neutrality/naivety. This outlook is only disrupted upon entering certain niche online spaces like FKD/Politics. You won't find most of them here and if they have their stint they quickly retire.

I'll pass on digging for Emeralds. As I prefer not to get my hands dirty.
So, unless they are Professor Beyle's son I will have to respectfully decline.​

My pops being an ex-politican might explain it. i take my political views after him.

So you essentially want a Bahabar Abokor

 

[Awd]

Sorry to interject but are you an Issaq sheegad or do you have Issaq relatives? You never attacked anyone, you were always the victims. SNM were attacking your people even as early as 1981? They even worked with Ethiopians who bombed children in Awdal. I am not shilling for the Kacaan or Siad Barre but you are kissing Issaq feet right now with how you are speaking. If you are happy with being a Somalilander now then no one has the right to force you to do something you do not want or form your own state but acknowledge the mistakes of the past and what happened instead of minimizing or maximizing them. It's the only way to move forward or Somalis will be stuck in this perpetual cycle

As for the attacks pre-1988 on Awdal by the SNM - all of this has been documented by released CIA documents.

I only mentioned factual information. Regarding the 80's and 90's, Siad Barre attempted to fight the SNM using Samaroon and Dhulbahante mercenaries. This is fact and cannot be denied. Some of these Samaroon mercenaries committed atrocities aswell. Go and see the town of Geed Balaadh and see the impact of that war that the Reer Nuur militias did. The SNM also committed atrocities. It isn't as black and white as people claim it is. The narrative people want to put out is that the SNM committed atrocities which is absolutely true because they did. But they weren't the only ones. Any other narrative is politically motivated. The 80's Ethiopian bombing of Borama is rumoured to have been instigated by the SNM. Is it true? Maybe I'm not sure. One thing is true though, Borama was also a hiding ground of some OLF Oromo fighters and Samaroon Horyal fighters who were both working together to topple the Derg regime in Ethiopia. Borama was a border town and most border towns were bombed by the Ethiopians during the 80's aswell. One thing cannot be denied. From 1960 to 1990 not one road was built in Awdal and not one major project was built in Awdal. When we got independence from the British we had our own region, our representative Haji Nur was the lead representative of the former Borama district (Awdal Region today) signed the independence accord in 26 June 1960. Britain left Somaliland with 6 regions and when we joined Somalia, they lumped 3 regions (Borama, Hargeisa and Berbera) together and called it Waqooyi Galbeed. The only reason why Siad Barre recreated Awdal tentatively on the former Borama district borders was because he wanted to court the Samaroon in his fight against the SNM. Somalia never did anything good for us and even stole our region during independence. This is the uncomfortable truth. They never did anything good for us. Not one road built during the entire 30 years of statehood. On top of that the Barre regime got us into war against our neighbours and the Ethiopians. We learnt from our mistake. Never again.

 

[Arkan]

I only mentioned factual information. Regarding the 80's and 90's, Siad Barre attempted to fight the SNM using Samaroon and Dhulbahante mercenaries. This is fact and cannot be denied. Some of these Samaroon mercenaries committed atrocities aswell. Go and see the town of Geed Balaadh and see the impact of that war that the Reer Nuur militias did. The SNM also committed atrocities. It isn't as black and white as people claim it is. The narrative people want to put out is that the SNM committed atrocities which is absolutely true because they did. But they weren't the only ones. Any other narrative is politically motivated. The 80's Ethiopian bombing of Borama is rumoured to have been instigated by the SNM. Is it true? Maybe I'm not sure. One thing is true though, Borama was also a hiding ground of some OLF Oromo fighters and Samaroon Horyal fighters who were both working together to topple the Derg regime in Ethiopia. Borama was a border town and most border towns were bombed by the Ethiopians during the 80's aswell. One thing cannot be denied. From 1960 to 1990 not one road was built in Awdal and not one major project was built in Awdal. When we got independence from the British we had our own region, our representative Haji Nur was the lead representative of the former Borama district (Awdal Region today) signed the independence accord in 26 June 1960. Britain left Somaliland with 6 regions and when we joined Somalia, they lumped 3 regions (Borama, Hargeisa and Berbera) together and called it Waqooyi Galbeed. The only reason why Siad Barre recreated Awdal tentatively on the former Borama district borders was because he wanted to court the Samaroon in his fight against the SNM. Somalia never did anything good for us and even stole our region during independence. This is the uncomfortable truth. They never did anything good for us. Not one road built during the entire 30 years of statehood. On top of that the Barre regime got us into war against our neighbours and the Ethiopians. We learnt from our mistake. Never again.

Even Dahir Riyaale who was the highest ranking NSS Officer in Berbera committed countless atrocities on Isaaqs and despite that, they lifted him to VP and re-elected him. Yusuf Talan was another one, he was an Brigadier General of SNA troops who were stationed in Berbera whose unit also committed a lot of atrocities on Isaaqs. Heck, Samaroon even spilt some blood in the Isaaq intra wars. Its not really as B&W as @anon2 is making it out to be. We all did a number on eachother and reconciled with one another but Anon is going beyond that and portraying us as Victims who have never harmed anyone lol

Anon also talks about being stuck In a perpetual cycle but doesn't acknowledge the hatchet has been buried already.

 

[anon2]

I only mentioned factual information. Regarding the 80's and 90's, Siad Barre attempted to fight the SNM using Samaroon and Dhulbahante mercenaries. This is fact and cannot be denied. Some of these Samaroon mercenaries committed atrocities aswell. Go and see the town of Geed Balaadh and see the impact of that war that the Reer Nuur militias did. The SNM also committed atrocities. It isn't as black and white as people claim it is. The narrative people want to put out is that the SNM committed atrocities which is absolutely true because they did. But they weren't the only ones. Any other narrative is politically motivated. The 80's Ethiopian bombing of Borama is rumoured to have been instigated by the SNM. Is it true? Maybe I'm not sure. One thing is true though, Borama was also a hiding ground of some OLF Oromo fighters and Samaroon Horyal fighters who were both working together to topple the Derg regime in Ethiopia. Borama was a border town and most border towns were bombed by the Ethiopians during the 80's aswell. One thing cannot be denied. From 1960 to 1990 not one road was built in Awdal and not one major project was built in Awdal. When we got independence from the British we had our own region, our representative Haji Nur was the lead representative of the former Borama district (Awdal Region today) signed the independence accord in 26 June 1960. Britain left Somaliland with 6 regions and when we joined Somalia, they lumped 3 regions (Borama, Hargeisa and Berbera) together and called it Waqooyi Galbeed. The only reason why Siad Barre recreated Awdal tentatively on the former Borama district borders was because he wanted to court the Samaroon in his fight against the SNM. Somalia never did anything good for us and even stole our region during independence. This is the uncomfortable truth. They never did anything good for us. Not one road built during the entire 30 years of statehood. On top of that the Barre regime got us into war against our neighbours and the Ethiopians. We learnt from our mistake. Never again.

Thank you and @Duucale1 explaining. Also I completely disregarded Riyale being president of SL despite the things he did to all Somalis (regardless of clan) as NSS officer.

 

[Awd]

Even Dahir Riyaale who was the highest ranking NSS Officer in Berbera committed countless atrocities on Isaaqs and despite that, they lifted him to VP and re-elected him. Yusuf Talan was another one, he was an Brigadier General of SNA troops who were stationed in Berbera whose unit also committed a lot of atrocities on Isaaqs. Heck, Samaroon even spilt some blood in the Isaaq intra wars. Its not really as B&W as @anon2 is making it out to be. We all did a number on eachother and reconciled with one another but Anon is going beyond that and portraying us as Victims who have never harmed anyone lol

Anon also talks about being stuck In a perpetual cycle but doesn't acknowledge the hatchet has been buried already.

Dahir Riyaale was responsible for the killing and torture of hundreds of SNM members during his role as an NSS high ranking official. This is something everyone knows. Also Brigadier General Talan defeated the SNM in many battles aswell and killed hundreds. Ironically it was the Hawiye who assassinated him in a drive by shooting in Mogadishu. So there's no shortage of atrocities committed on all sides in the North during the 80's and 90's. But the new revisionist history wants to portray one side as only villains and one side as only victims when in actual fact there were villains and victims on all sides.

 

[Sophisticate]

@anonimo

You're absolutely right, it's unfortunate that some Reer Awdal are still stuck in the 90's and the politics of those times. We're maturing politically now and we know that Siad Barre used some of us to attack our neighbours when relations soured between him and the Isaaq. Some of us are still stuck in the 80's and 90's politics but the reality is that nobody harmed us more than the regime of Siad Barre. They got some of us to become enemies with our neighbours when we should have stayed neutral at the least. We will not forget the harm caused by that regime. The Somalia era (1960-1990) was the worst era for the non Darood clans.

Let me preface this by saying I do not agree with oppression olympics or a simple case of victim-victimizer. Samaroon are not victims and I have never once claimed that. They also have agency. I also don't agree with others using us to score political points. With that said, I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. Since when were the Samaroon the first initiators of attacks against the Issaq? If anything, it was retaliatory. You cannot expect someone never consulted to be apart of your war to be on your side. Please tell me when the SNM had a meeting with the Samaroon to ask for their assistance in the fight against the Siad Barre regime? I would be curious to know.

I understand the desire to extend an olive branch and be peaceful in the Northwest where our people reside but let’s not play a game of subtle Issaqism cloaked in neutral rhetoric. Let us try not to obfuscate certain details to appeal to the ears of staunched Somaliland proponents. This is essentially the inversion of blind Somali unionism which as you said did not enrich us nor improve our lot significantly. SL is clearly not a bed of roses either even if you find it a much better alternative.​

Ironically it was the Dhulbahante and the Gadabursi who didn't want to reunite with the south after independence from Britain, it was the Isaaq that pushed for reunification. In the 60's, it was the Isaaq who were the most pro Somaliweyne clan. Interesting how things have changed. But I guarantee you times have changed and geographically speaking we are stuck with the Isaaq and we have an understanding. We can't go back to the Somalia days ever again.

That is a bit of an exaggerated affectation which needs some levelling. There were pro-unionists on all sides. No need to boost one over the others. As we are aware they had their own political parties and to my knowledge neither the Gadabuursi nor Dhulbahante wanted to be a part of a Northwest nation at that time. Separatism was always a brainchild of a segment of Issaq constituents.​

Things have changed a lot, we have good relations with the Isaaq today generally speaking. Some social media influencers don't change reality on the ground.

It really depends on which Issaq group and whether their political beliefs are aligned with our own at the time. Samaroon are no monolith, and we clearly have our fair share of independent minds. The beauty about us is we can vocalize our disapproval to each other without fists flying. We are not a political block that are all on the same page either.​

 

[Sophisticate]

I only mentioned factual information. Regarding the 80's and 90's, Siad Barre attempted to fight the SNM using Samaroon and Dhulbahante mercenaries. This is fact and cannot be denied. Some of these Samaroon mercenaries committed atrocities aswell. Go and see the town of Geed Balaadh and see the impact of that war that the Reer Nuur militias did. The SNM also committed atrocities. It isn't as black and white as people claim it is. The narrative people want to put out is that the SNM committed atrocities which is absolutely true because they did. But they weren't the only ones. Any other narrative is politically motivated.

That is an opinion not a fact. I will provide my opinion to counteract the one you have suggested. Insofar as it will add another perspective which has been unaddressed.

We know the SNM weren’t the only ones shedding blood. Though war is far from black and white. We must ask who started it, who initiated, who was pulled into a war they were never asked to be a part of? Also, is one faulted for defending themselves in response to aggression?

An armed group of 6 SNM gorilla fighters did not consult the Samaroon when they entered their territory, hence Reer Nuur villagers reported them to Siad Barre’s army resulting in their capture and eventual execution in Hargeisa. Consequently, this angered the Issaq, and they retaliated by killing 15 innocent Reer Nuurs during a fajr prayer lead by Imaam Mohammed Elmi Amir at a masjid located in Magaala Cade which is north of Tog Wajale. The reaction to this by the Reer Nur was the violence that ensued in Geed Balaadh. Obviously, this is a case of action and reaction. You should preface that before selectively reporting.​

The 80's Ethiopian bombing of Borama is rumoured to have been instigated by the SNM. Is it true? Maybe I'm not sure. One thing is true though, Borama was also a hiding ground of some OLF Oromo fighters and Samaroon Horyal fighters who were both working together to topple the Derg regime in Ethiopia. Borama was a border town and most border towns were bombed by the Ethiopians during the 80's aswell.

Do you mind backing up that claim about being a hiding spot for OLF Fighters? Seems like an SNM talking point to justify Mengistu’s attack of the Gadabuursi.​

One thing cannot be denied. From 1960 to 1990 not one road was built in Awdal and not one major project was built in Awdal. When we got independence from the British we had our own region, our representative Haji Nur was the lead representative of the former Borama district (Awdal Region today) signed the independence accord in 26 June 1960. Britain left Somaliland with 6 regions and when we joined Somalia, they lumped 3 regions (Borama, Hargeisa and Berbera) together and called it Waqooyi Galbeed. The only reason why Siad Barre recreated Awdal tentatively on the former Borama district borders was because he wanted to court the Samaroon in his fight against the SNM. Somalia never did anything good for us and even stole our region during independence. This is the uncomfortable truth. They never did anything good for us. Not one road built during the entire 30 years of statehood. On top of that the Barre regime got us into war against our neighbours and the Ethiopians. We learnt from our mistake. Never again.

I have no opinion on this and can't argue against no concessions to Samaroons during the old regime.

 

[Sophisticate]

Even Dahir Riyaale who was the highest ranking NSS Officer in Berbera committed countless atrocities on Isaaqs and despite that, they lifted him to VP and re-elected him. Yusuf Talan was another one, he was an Brigadier General of SNA troops who were stationed in Berbera whose unit also committed a lot of atrocities on Isaaqs. Heck, Samaroon even spilt some blood in the Isaaq intra wars. Its not really as B&W as @anon2 is making it out to be. We all did a number on eachother and reconciled with one another but Anon is going beyond that and portraying us as Victims who have never harmed anyone lol

Anon also talks about being stuck In a perpetual cycle but doesn't acknowledge the hatchet has been buried already.

Dahir Riyaale was responsible for the killing and torture of hundreds of SNM members during his role as an NSS high ranking official. This is something everyone knows. Also Brigadier General Talan defeated the SNM in many battles aswell and killed hundreds. Ironically it was the Hawiye who assassinated him in a drive by shooting in Mogadishu. So there's no shortage of atrocities committed on all sides in the North during the 80's and 90's. But the new revisionist history wants to portray one side as only villains and one side as only victims when in actual fact there were villains and victims on all sides.

Both Riyale and Talan saved many Issaq people from killings. I doubt Riyale would ever be considered as president of Somaliland with blood on his hands. We may not agree with his political decisions over the years while in office but let’s not mudsling.​

 

[Awd]

Let me preface this by saying I do not agree with oppression olympics or a simple case of victim-victimizer. Samaroon are not victims and I have never once claimed that. They also have agency. I also don't agree with others using us to score political points. With that said, I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. Since when were the Samaroon the first initiators of attacks against the Issaq? If anything, it was retaliatory. You cannot expect someone never consulted to be apart of your war to be on your side. Please tell me when the SNM had a meeting with the Samaroon to ask for their assistance in the fight against the Siad Barre regime? I would be curious to know.

I understand the desire to extend an olive branch and be peaceful in the Northwest where our people reside but let’s not play a game of subtle Issaqism cloaked in neutral rhetoric. Let us try not to obfuscate certain details to appeal to the ears of staunched Somaliland proponents. This is essentially the inversion of blind Somali unionism which as you said did not enrich us nor improve our lot significantly. SL is clearly not a bed of roses either even if you find it a much better alternative.

That is a bit of an exaggerated affectation which needs some levelling. There were pro-unionists on all sides. No need to boost one over the others. As we are aware they had their own political parties and to my knowledge neither the Gadabuursi nor Dhulbahante wanted to be a part of a Northwest nation at that time. Separatism was always a brainchild of a segment of Issaq constituents.

It really depends on which Issaq group and whether their political beliefs are aligned with our own at the time. Samaroon are no monolith, and we clearly have our fair share of independent minds. The beauty about us is we can vocalize our disapproval to each other without fists flying. We are not a political block that are all on the same page either.​

@Sophisticate

We can hash out the details over the phone inshaAllah lol. I want to get your perspective on the issue anyway since you mentioned some very intricate details. You must have consulted tolka lol.

 

[Sophisticate]

@Sophisticate

We can hash out the details over the phone inshaAllah lol. I want to get your perspective on the issue anyway since you mentioned some very intricate details. You must have consulted tolka lol.

Yes. I am very much in favour of Samaroon getting on the same page and working for our best interests. The SL project is not the most optimal choice. It's like one is settling for less. A federal state of our own where we are number uno may just be. We are known to rule ourselves historically. Why ask to sit at their table when you can have your own. You had a throne for 500 years. Remember that huuno. You are no novice to self-rule but perhaps you forgot. Think long term.There is no road built to Djibouti. No Lughaya port nor Zelia port revitalization.

We shouldn't allow greedy businessmen or politicians to dissuade us. The East is giving us signs that we should be more ambitious. Until Suldaan Waber, and your cousins Nimaan and Ugaas Doodi can walk freely into Awdal without issue. We have some ways to go.

SL and DJ will short change you because of Xasiidnimo.I have historic records that show academic excellence of beesha was seen as a threat triggering insecurities of others around us. In more recent news, Somaliland was given 100 Scholarships to Ethiopian institutions of higher learning and 2 went to Samaroon and 1 went to Dhulbahante. They will forever favour themselves and give you crumbs. The political shafting with laughable concessions has been on-going for three decades. While they claim you should be grateful for peace which you would have with or without them. Or meger political posts/positions. Need I also remind you that the Samaroon were politically stifled in Djibouti and had to pivot to small business ownership.

So, we ought to use our Ethiopian base to our advantage. Just like our old fellow North Darood allies to the East have Harti help we have Gadabuursi across Ethiopia and could form coalitions with other Dir and Absame too. Our friends are those with shared interests. Perhaps the disenfranchised Cissa in DJ and Issaq in SL will see the light and understand the gaajo life isn't it either.

Somalis can do better and should eat well. And only we can be the best example for ourselves through the unification of Samaroon and bridges with others.

Think about it walaal. You know how to reach me. So just send a message. I'll pass along the info.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Yes. I am very much in favour of Samaroon getting on the same page and working for our best interests. The SL project is not the most optimal choice. It's like one is settling for less. A federal state of our own where we are number uno may just be. We are known to rule ourselves historically. Why ask to sit at their table when you can have your own. You had a throne for 500 years. Remember that huuno. You are no novice to self-rule but perhaps you forgot. Think long term.There is no road built to Djibouti. No Lughaya port nor Zelia port revitalization.

We shouldn't allow greedy businessmen or politicians to dissuade us. The East is giving us signs that we should be more ambitious. Until Suldaan Waber, and your cousins Nimaan and Ugaas Doodi can walk freely into Awdal without issue. We have some ways to go.

SL and DJ will short change you because of Xasiidnimo.I have historic records that show academic excellence of beesha was seen as a threat triggering insecurities of others around us. In more recent news, Somaliland was given 100 Scholarships to Ethiopian institutions of higher learning and 2 went to Samaroon and 1 went to Dhulbahante. They will forever favour themselves and give you crumbs. The political shafting with laughable concessions has been on-going for three decades. While they claim you should be grateful for peace which you would have with or without them. Or meger political posts/positions. Need I also remind you that the Samaroon were politically stifled in Djibouti and had to pivot to small business ownership.

So, we ought to use our Ethiopian base to our advantage. Just like our old fellow North Darood allies to the East have Harti help we have Gadabuursi across Ethiopia and could form coalitions with other Dir and Absame too. Our friends are those with shared interests. Perhaps the disenfranchised Cissa in DJ and Issaq in SL will see the light and understand the gaajo life isn't it either.

Somalis can do better and should eat well. And only we can be the best example for ourselves through the unification of Samaroon and bridges with others.

Think about it walaal. You know how to reach me. So just send a message. I'll pass along the info.

I never thought I would see you in this section.

Xaasidnimo is the disease that holds all of us back, it destroys everything, a person intellect and ability to perceive anything, regardless how many PhD’s he holds.

Even a famous Gaal German Philosopher preaching to American businesses about the dangers of envy and why they should adopt the Japanese/Chinese model of cooperation pointed out,

“the reason why nations remain in perpetual poverty is due to culture of envy ingrained in those societies” which we have mastered to a T in every facet of our lives.

Even in the West you cannot escape this, you open a new business, and a few days later another Somali opens next door to you selling the exact same stuff.

If you travel back home at every corner there is a “ruqiyah” place and Quran saar packed with possessed people mostly due to xasad, the howling, cries and wailing are spine chilling.