Bid’ah according to the four madhabs

[CryptoSomali]

This is truly a nail in the coffin for those Bid’ah obsessed psychos who feel threatened by every innovation. You guys know who I’m talking about

 

[jabsveg276]

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This is truly a nail in the coffin for those Bid’ah obsessed psychos who feel threatened by every innovation. You guys know who I’m talking about

i actually dont know who you're talking about

 

[Muzaffer]

يقول بعض الناس إن البدعة تنقسم إلى أقسامٍ خمسة تدور عليها الأحكام: بدعة حسنة، بدعة محرمة، بدعة مكروهة، بدعة مندوبة، بدعة مباحة، وهذا التقسيم فيه نظر، والرسول ﷺقال: كل بدعة ضلالة ولم يقسمها بل قال: كل بدعة ضلالة فالحق الذي لا ريب فيه أن البدع المخالفة للشرع كلها ضلالة


Some people say that heresy is divided into five categories on which rulings revolve: a good innovation, a forbidden innovation, a hated innovation, a commissioned innovation, a permissible heresy, and this division is subject to consideration, and the Messenger said: Every heresy is misguided and he did not divide it. There is no doubt that all heresies contrary to Sharia are misguided

 

[CryptoSomali]

يقول بعض الناس إن البدعة تنقسم إلى أقسامٍ خمسة تدور عليها الأحكام: بدعة حسنة، بدعة محرمة، بدعة مكروهة، بدعة مندوبة، بدعة مباحة، وهذا التقسيم فيه نظر، والرسول ﷺقال: كل بدعة ضلالة ولم يقسمها بل قال: كل بدعة ضلالة فالحق الذي لا ريب فيه أن البدع المخالفة للشرع كلها ضلالة


Some people say that heresy is divided into five categories on which rulings revolve: a good innovation, a forbidden innovation, a hated innovation, a commissioned innovation, a permissible heresy, and this division is subject to consideration, and the Messenger said: Every heresy is misguided and he did not divide it. There is no doubt that all heresies contrary to Sharia are misguided

 

[Muzaffer]

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the hadith said sunnah not bid'ah

 

[madaxweyne]

the hadith said sunnah not bid'ah

then its sunnah to introduce good practises to islam besides the first word in the quran is iqra which means read islam isnt against innovation infact it incourages innovation in technology sceince and expanding your knowledge people like you are the reason the islamic world is so backwards


good job am definately bookmarking this @CryptoSomali

 

[Muzaffer]

then its sunnah to introduce good practises to islam besides the first word in the quran is iqra which means read islam isnt against innovation infact it incourages innovation in technology sceince and expanding your knowledge people like you are the reason the islamic world is so backwards


good job am definately bookmarking this @CryptoSomali

no, your ignorant the sunnah is the collection of what the prophet Muhammad taught his companion whatever its by action or by speech

 

[Muzaffer]

then its sunnah to introduce good practises to islam besides the first word in the quran is iqra which means read islam isnt against innovation infact it incourages innovation in technology sceince and expanding your knowledge people like you are the reason the islamic world is so backwards


good job am definately bookmarking this @CryptoSomali

are you a student of Islamic studies?

 

[jabsveg276]

are you a student of Islamic studies?

 

[Muzaffer]

 

[HiraanBorn]

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From what book is this image sourced?

 

[HiraanBorn]

the hadith said sunnah not bid'ah

Sometimes bid'ah can follow the sunnah in that case it is not considered bad:

It was narrated that ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Abd al-Qaari’ said: I went out with ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) one night in Ramadaan to the mosque, and the people were scattered, with one man praying by himself and another with a group of men following his prayer. ‘Umar said: “I think that if I gather them behind one reader, it will be better.” Then he decided to unite them behind Ubayy ibn Ka’b. Then I went out with him on another night, and the people were praying behind their reader. ‘Umar said: “What a good innovation this is. But the prayer that they forget about and sleep is better than the one they are offering.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1906.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said when refuting the view of those who quoted ‘Umar’s words “What a good innovation this is” as meaning that innovation (bid’ah) is permissible:

With regard to qiyaam in Ramadaan, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) introduced this to his ummah, and he led them in prayer for a number of nights, because at his time they used to pray in congregation and individually. But he did not persist in leading them in one congregation, lest that be made obligatory for them. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, sharee’ah was established (and would not change after that). When ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) became caliph, he united them behind one imam, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, who united the people in one congregation on the orders of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him). ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was one of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the way of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs after me; cling tightly to it.”

So what he did was Sunnah but he said, “What a good innovation this is,” because it was an innovation in the linguistic sense, as they were doing something that they had not done during the life of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), i.e., gathering to do this, but it is Sunnah in the shar’i sense.”

After the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) prayed Taraweeh in small groups and individually, until ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) united them behind a single imam.

 

[jabsveg276]

Sometimes bid'ah can follow the sunnah in that case it is not considered bad:

It was narrated that ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Abd al-Qaari’ said: I went out with ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) one night in Ramadaan to the mosque, and the people were scattered, with one man praying by himself and another with a group of men following his prayer. ‘Umar said: “I think that if I gather them behind one reader, it will be better.” Then he decided to unite them behind Ubayy ibn Ka’b. Then I went out with him on another night, and the people were praying behind their reader. ‘Umar said: “What a good innovation this is. But the prayer that they forget about and sleep is better than the one they are offering.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1906.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said when refuting the view of those who quoted ‘Umar’s words “What a good innovation this is” as meaning that innovation (bid’ah) is permissible:

With regard to qiyaam in Ramadaan, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) introduced this to his ummah, and he led them in prayer for a number of nights, because at his time they used to pray in congregation and individually. But he did not persist in leading them in one congregation, lest that be made obligatory for them. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, sharee’ah was established (and would not change after that). When ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) became caliph, he united them behind one imam, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, who united the people in one congregation on the orders of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him). ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was one of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the way of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs after me; cling tightly to it.”

So what he did was Sunnah but he said, “What a good innovation this is,” because it was an innovation in the linguistic sense, as they were doing something that they had not done during the life of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), i.e., gathering to do this, but it is Sunnah in the shar’i sense.”

After the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) prayed Taraweeh in small groups and individually, until ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) united them behind a single imam.

 

[madaxweyne]

no, your ignorant the sunnah is the collection of what the prophet Muhammad taught his companion whatever its by action or by speech

well the prophet told us to innovate in accordance with the deen is that enough for you

 

[Abdalla]

Prophet said every bidcah leads to hellfire
>but Imam Ahmad said

We’re not Christians who follow their priests and monks

 

[Abdalla]

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This relates to giving the right example, not doing something the prophet never did. If you related the entire Hadith, instead of the last part you’ll see that the right context. Nobody was giving out charity until one man of the Ansaar stood up and gave charity, and people followed his lead and gave charity. Is charity bidcah? Likewise, if people follow you in evil practices, you’ll receive their burden as well.

The tricks of people of desire are weak.

 

[CryptoSomali]

Prophet said every bidcah leads to hellfire
>but Imam Ahmad said

We’re not Christians who follow their priests and monks

Ahhh yes, ignore centuries of scholarship from all four major Sunni schools of jurisprudence. All because it doesn’t fit your narrative

This relates to giving the right example, not doing something the prophet never did. If you related the entire Hadith, instead of the last part you’ll see that the right context. Nobody was giving out charity until one man of the Ansaar stood up and gave charity, and people followed his lead and gave charity. Is charity bidcah? Likewise, if people follow you in evil practices, you’ll receive their burden as well.

The tricks of people of desire are weak.

This isn’t how any of the classical scholars understood that hadith, this sounds like a neo-Salafi interpretation you found on some webpage.

Here’s the real interpretation from Imam An-Nawawi

And this, along with many other evidences is why every madhab has a concept of good bid’ah, there’s only one group of people who deny it.

 

[Abdalla]

Ahhh yes, ignore centuries of scholarship from all four major Sunni schools of jurisprudence. All because it doesn’t fit your narrative



This isn’t how any of the classical scholars understood that hadith, this sounds like a neo-Salafi interpretation you found on some webpage.

Here’s the real interpretation from Imam An-Nawawi
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And this, along with many other evidences is why every madhab has a concept of good bid’ah, there’s only one group of people who deny it.

I said the prophet said, you say Imam Nawawi said. The people you’re referring to are hardcore Hanbalis, the same Imam you’ve quoted as approving ‘good innovations’. You’re pasting text you don’t even understand. You’re like a donkey carrying books.

 

[Shimbiris]

I said the prophet said, you say Imam Nawawi said. The people you’re referring to are hardcore Hanbalis, the same Imam you’ve quoted as approving ‘good innovations’. You’re pasting text you don’t even understand. You’re like a donkey carrying books.

 

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then its sunnah to introduce good practises to islam besides the first word in the quran is iqra which means read islam isnt against innovation infact it incourages innovation in technology sceince and expanding your knowledge people like you are the reason the islamic world is so backwards


good job am definately bookmarking this @CryptoSomali

The problem here is not innovation in general but in religion. I.e do I have the authority to introduce a new form of prayer or more rules on whats forbidden or permitted.

Further down the line you will find people singing and jumping as a salah or people lashing themselves as penance for sins.