Bantus

[Apollo]

Somalia was not a cohesive unit back then and the Zayla trade has nothing to do with Somali Bantus. It is completely pointless to bring it up.

The coastal South of Somalia traded more with the Indian Ocean network that linked Southeast Africa (Swahili sphere of influence) with Arabia. This is how Somali Bantus got to South Somalia and that slave trade has been going on for nearly 1,500 years.

 

[Grant]

Somalia was not a cohesive unit back then and the Zayla trade has nothing to do with Somali Bantus. It is completely pointless to bring it up.

The coastal South of Somalia traded more with the Indian Ocean network that linked Southeast Africa (Swahili sphere of influence) with Arabia. This is how Somali Bantus got to South Somalia and that slave trade has been going on for nearly 1,500 years.

Yes. After 1800, when the Gabaweyn, Shebelle, Makanne, Shidley, etc. were already well established in Somalia.

 

[Apollo]

Yes. After 1800, when the Gabaweyn, Shebelle, Makanne, Shidley, etc. were already well established in Somalia.

Descendants of earlier slaves from the older slave trade.

 

[Grant]

Descendants of earlier slaves from the older slave trade.

That is just silly. The Pwani and Sabaki were in Somalia long before the slave trade began. They were never chattel slaves.

Your agenda is in trouble...

 

[Apollo]

That is just silly. The Pwani and Sabaki were in Somalia long before the slave trade began. They were never chattel slaves.

Your agenda is in trouble...

False history with no archaeological, no firsthand accounts, nor genetic evidence. Only fake hearsay from those enslaved groups themselves who tried to erase their own history of descending from slaves.

I take it as seriously as African-Americans who claim to be Native Americans or Hebrew Israelites. Zero credence.

 

[Madd]

So @Grant is still partaking in an ignorant crusade against somali history.

 

[Grant]

False history with no archaeological, first-hand documented, nor genetic evidence. Only fake hearsay from those enslaved groups themselves who tried to erase their own history of descending from slaves.

I take it as seriously as African-Americans who claim to be Native Americans or Hebrew Israelites. Zero credence.

False history with no archaeological, no firsthand accounts, nor genetic evidence. Only fake hearsay from those enslaved groups themselves who tried to erase their own history of descending from slaves.

I take it as seriously as African-Americans who claim to be Native Americans or Hebrew Israelites. Zero credence.

https://books.google.com/books?id=X...age&q=The Pwani and Sabaki in Somalia&f=false

The Bantu Madow-Somalis, Mohamed A. Eno, 2008, p 66:

"The Bantu along the bank of the Shabelle river and in the interior are suggested by recent scholarship to constitute "...Negroid groups present before the Somali migration."

Montclose, Marc-Antoine de, the French scientific Research Institute- www.cepd.ined.fr/cepedweb
{Also read Report on Minority Groups in Somalia: Joint British, Danish, and Dutch Fact finding mission to Nairobi, 17-24 Sept 2000.
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The Western Scholars who have read the material disagree with you and will shine light on your agenda, should it become sufficiently outrageous. Not all sources are falsified Wiki.

Only the Gosha and Mushunguli are principally from chattel slave stock..

 

[Apollo]

Quoting a discredited historian who is a Somali Bantu himself (Mr. Eno) and who has a hidden agenda to glorify his own history. Okay, nothing credible.

There will never be archaeological sites associated with Bantu farmers in Somalia that are pre-Islamic and no archaeogenetic studies will ever be published supporting your stupid theory. All you got is flimsy hearsay, nothing concrete.

 

[Grant]

Quoting a fake historian who is a Somali Bantu himself and has no hidden agenda to glorify his own history. Okay.

Eno is hardly the only source. Virginia Luling, Catherine Besteman and James de Vere Allen, among others, all have the same material. Check them out before you make more silly claims.

 

[Apollo]

Eno is hardly the only source. Virginia Luling, Catherine Besteman and James de Vere Allen, among others, all have the same material. Check them out before you make more silly claims.

All relying on direct hearsay from those tribes themselves, nothing based on archaeology nor genetics (which I only trust). There are ZERO firsthand written accounts of Bantu farmers moving into Somalia.

Some Somali tribes claim the Arabians, some Bravanese claim to be Portuguese (fake), the claims of people have zero credence when it comes to the origins of their ethnicity.

 

[Grant]

All relying on direct hearsay from those tribes, nothing based on archaeology nor genetics (which I only trust).

Some Somali tribes claim the Arabians, some Bravanese claim to be Portuguese (fake), the claims of people have zero credence when it comes to the origins of their ethnicity.

Now you're going to tell us there is a gene for enslaved as well as autocthonous Bantus!

Read what the experts have to say.

 

[Apollo]

Now you're going to tell us there is a gene for enslaved as well as autocthonous Bantus!

Read what the experts have to say.

The Bantus in Somalia will have full Y-Chromosomes more in common with South-Central Tanzanian, Malawian, and North Mozambique Bantus than with Northeast Kenyan Bantus. That's the easiest scientific way to completely destroy your theory.

 

[Grant]

The Bantus in Somalia will have full Y-Chromosomes more in common with South-Central Tanzanian, Malawian, and North Mozambique Bantus than with Northeast Kenyan Bantus. That's the easiest scientific way to completely destroy your theory.

Not most of them. And I welcome such a search if there is better sampling than has been done for the Eelay, etc. Go for it, man!

 

[Apollo]

Not most of them. And I welcome such a search if there is better sampling than has been done for the Eelay, etc. Go for it, man!

That is only your opinion, the fact is that they descend from enslaved Bantus from more distant regions. You will eventually see the light.

 

[Grant]

That is only your opinion, the fact is that they descend from enslaved Bantus from more distant regions. You will eventually see the light.

Evidence before braggadocio....

I have given you plenty of scholars who share my "opinion".

 

[madaxweyne]

Evidence before braggadocio....

I have given you plenty of scholars who share my "opinion".

You mean a biased bantu who's doesn't have a history degree

He's not a credible source lmfao

 

[Grant]

You mean a biased bantu who's doesn't have a history degree

He's not a credible source lmfao
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Mohamed A. Eno is Dean & Professor of Social Studies Education at St Clements University Somalia where he teaches African Studies and courses on the Applied Linguistics & TESOL program offered at centers of the St Clements Edu. Group. He taught Social Studies Education, Study Skills, Applied Linguistics & TESOL, and Business Communication & Technical Writing in institutions such as Eno School of Languages, the Somali National University, the Extra Mural Dept. of the University of Nairobi, Abu Dhabi Univesity, and ADNOC Technical Institute in Abu Dhabi, UAE. His research focuses on ESL/EFL Education; Social Studies Education; Somali Studies; Ethnic & Cultural Studies; African & Global Studies; Slavery, Migration & Diaspora Studies; and African Literature & Literary Theory.

before the great bantu migration, there was no single bantu group in central Africa, let alone in east Africa. Are u listening or only waiting to reply ?

 

[Grant]

before the great bantu migration, there was no single bantu group in central Africa, let alone in east Africa. Are u listening or only waiting to reply ?

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The Pwani and Sabaki were part of the Mashariki Bantu migration. The Pwani reached southern Somalia in the ist century AD.

https://www.ancient.eu/Bantu_Migration/

"The migration of the Bantu people from their origins in southern West Africa saw a gradual population movement sweep through the central, eastern, and southern parts of the continent starting in the mid-2nd millennium BCE and finally ending before 1500 CE."

Bajunni and Bravanese are both Bantu languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravanese_dialect
Mwiini
Chimwiini
Native to Somalia
Native speakers
183,000 (2015)[1]
Language family
Niger–Congo

• Atlantic–Congo
  • Benue–Congo
    • Bantoid
      • Bantu
        • Northeast Coast Bantu
          • Sabaki
            • Swahili
              • Bravanese

Language codes
ISO 639-3 (included in swh)
Glottolog chim1312[2]
Guthrie code
G.412[3]

Bravanese, also called Chimwiini (ChiMwini, Mwiini, Mwini) or Chimbalazi[4] is a variety of Swahili spoken by the Bravanese people, who are the predominant inhabitants of Barawa, or Brava, in Somalia.[5] Maho (2009)


https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6aabf98.html

The Bajuni are a small Bantu community with no political or economic significance in Kenya. The Bajuni, however, are well known for their tools and technology developed before the colonial period. The Bajuni speak Swahili but they also have a language of their own, Kibajuni, which is a specialized dialect of Swahili.Aug 1, 1992

 

[Apollo]

The Pwani and Sabaki were part of the Mashariki Bantu migration. The Pwani reached southern Somalia in the ist century AD.

In your imagination.