Are Puntlanders Great Visionaries & Politicians

[DR OSMAN]

I am asking this to non puntlanders since it's pointless asking puntlanders to critique themselves. But I have noticed PL have great visionaries like they can DREAM BIG and they also have good politicians hadi haami loo dhiibo to execute it in a political manner. But I noticed we are not the best WORKERS or have self discipline. Look at Isaaq a great work horse will even bust his ass working in PL restaurants, ninka ragga ah meeshu ku roon yahay waa loo qira. U won't see Puntlander do that nor would I.

I even hate working in my current field which is technology space being a work house(xamaali xaafiiseed weeye u just a workhorse) since I love the HAAMI side and Set up the qorsho mentally. I just hate ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK ITSELF looooooooool hence I am not fit for being a WORKER.

Remember the HAAMI of federalism was brought to us by Puntland. It's rolled thru the nation like the SYL did when they formed their party. But I will tanasul on SYL vision @Teeri-Alpha we stole that from sayidka and did it the non violent way thru siyasad and isqancin which I think we are great at that stuff like laying political road maps, structures, committees, checks n balances, negiotation with stakeholders, we are good at that stuff GENETICALLY I think. Where-as we stole your SOMALINIMO HAAMI which can't be denied by any majerten it was SAYID INVENTION, it didn't exist prior to sayid. He was the inventor. We just didn't like how he implemented it(militarily). But none the less we still acknowledge he created SOMALINIMO and Ogaden need to acknowledge they took our GREAT HAAMI after 91 for federalism. We are basically 1 vs 1 on HAAMI and Vision with Ogaden. Ogaden and Majerten brought TWO HAAMI for the nation(somalinimo by sayid and federalism by abdillahi yusuf) any motherfucker who denies it is living in fantasy world.

But were we KICK ogaden ass is the political side, we run them down like motherfuckers as we produce great politicians who can bring people together non violentally. As for the WORKER SIDE I think Ogaden might lead us on this one as they were good work horses for Marehan Siyad Barre who also continued their HAAMI of Somaliwayn looooooool. Majertens have failed to be good work horses thorugh-out Somali histories. Maybe we need to really discuss our strength and weaknesses as somali clans and lets not put ppl were they don't have STRENGTH.

So this idea Darod looma talin karo xaq way uu gaban Hawiye iyo Isaaq inay yirahdan, we won't take orders and do our job when they tell us. Lakin hawiye iyo isaaq ha qirtan HAAMI LAGU QANCIN KARO DAROD weligin ma uu keenteen? never in the history, u cant even produce politicians to bring us a solution iska daa haami non violentally like most darod clans can produce.

Lets tanasul on our strengths and weakness, we cant keep staying on this my clan is better then ur clan nonsense.

 

[DR OSMAN]

There is nothing to be ashamed about if you have weakness, at least if u acknowledge it u can now develop a plan to fix it. I am terrible work horse and I am addressing thru emotional stability training with my psychologists and support workers. I want to attend depression courses, lack of motivation courses, happiness courses, to develop strong emotional stability and I think thru that I can be DEDICATED AND DISCIPLINED AS A WORK HORSE.

The ingredient to successful man or woman is

1. Vision and Dream and Haami
2. Qorsho or Plan(realistic one) mentally laid out or written down, watever suits u
3. Work horse who is disciplined and will follow that qorsho till he dies getting there

No 3 is what majerten lack. No 3 is what isaaq are damn good at and mad respect for them wallahi and should help teach somalis how to develop that skill. Vision MJ and OG are 1 for 1 somalinimo of sayid which we stole and used in SYL vs federalism visions we mounted in 98.

Now who is the best planner or qorsho guy(politician) this is where I think this will get TIGHT between Somali clans cuz some are damn good influencing people some are fake and just doing 'weji is tusi istusi like so fake u lose the crowd'. But the race will be between MJ who are damn GOOD TALKERS AND BRING PPL TOGETHER NON VIOLENTALLY. Dhulbahante wud be the WORST in Darood. Warsangeli I think cud take second spot. Ogaden is terrible at this. Isaaq(its a mixed bag like that hashi guy, kaluun guy excellent siyasi) to loser jabhad like muse bihi, kahin, etc. Hawiye HG wud rate LOWEST as he turns to violent methods always, abgaal higher keeps non violent his siyasad lol. Marehan MIXED BAG some violent some just as good as MJ/WARSAN/ISAAQ keeping it non violent and creating QORSHO and Plans.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Marehan is way better then Hawiye on Haami side also. He created the nabad iyo nolal HAAMI dream. He just hasn't got the qorsho iyo siyasiin to execute it that's where he stuffed up nin jeclaysi ayaa haamigisa dilayso inaysan suurtowbin. Where-as HSM-SHARIF no haami watsoever, i dont remember their DREAM speech and their political map being presented. So Marehan is up there politically and haami wise with Majerten/Ogaden but he hasnt successfuly created a haami at the scale and execution level of MAJERTEN AND OGADEN DID WITH SOMALINIMO BY SAYID AND FEDERALNIMO OF MAJERTEN. HA TANASULO MAREHAN UR TRYING AT LEAST FAR BETTER THEN WHAT ISAAQ AND HAWIYE ARE DOING

 

[DR OSMAN]

hawiyow iyo isaaqow. Darod hadu aqbalay haamigi federalism by majerten, iska aqbala. Trust me @Teeri-Alpha and Marehan guys see this is the new vision to lift this nation out of the civil war they wouldn't of supported it with JL creation. They realized the HAAMI of SAYID cant work in today somalia and they tanasuled to accept the new HAAMI FEDERALNIMO. U think ogaden who is the father of somalinimo which is what ur preaching everyday as hawiye would tanasul for this new vision to lift us up out of the civil war if they didnt think it wud work? the guy who created the somalinimo ayaaba ka tanasulay hada which is @Teeri-Alpha what the f*ck r hawiye slaves still holding onto something the inventor said HAS RUN HIS USED BY DATE AS THE NATION IS IN A DIFFERENT PLACE TODAY.

 

[Ferrari]

idk, why dont we ask your dad?

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@DR OSMAN

no one denies our majerteen cousins have defended federalism and uncle cabdullahi yusuf has done a great job protecting it,

when in 2004 he came to Ogaden in kenya and said cousins i want to take back xamar and push through a federalises states support me, they supported him,

again when darood got 60 Mps, Absame had 15 and Mj had 14, marehan had 9, he came to Oagdne and majerteen and said if we do not give more Mps to amrehan i fear they will ass lick hawiye and follow their lead, Oagdne how many can yuo give, Oagdne sacrificed 3 Mps and MJ sacrificed 2 mps, this si why today MJ have 12 Mps, Ogaden have 12 but marehan little sade has 14 mps, he got 5 extra Mps from OGadena and MJ, Ogadne were also willing to sacrfice this with Mj to amke sure darood is not divvded,

you keep saying Ogaden has forgetting Somalia, yuo are dead wrong, you ha massive advantage we do not have, 98% of MJ live in puntland and thus were able to focus all resources on somalia, where as we have been divided into 3 countireis by the british and so i remember a time we used to raise money 10 years ago as late teen for ONLF were we focused on Ogadeniya, and even kenya politicians of Ogaden blood did the same,

when uncle yusuf hajji said hey we also need to focus on jubaland, we achieved this and Kenyan guns etc with in a few years, so we have to think about 3 lands, where as majerteen has to think about 1 country, where 98% of mj live in somalia,

we have to deal with ahmaar, oromo, Kikuyu, we have to play ball with canfaar attacking dir, oromo 50 million atacking, us, 100 million hostile habashi,

God gave us a massive mission, 3 nations, 110 million habahsi raw meat eaters, gaalo, 50 million kenyas, 46 ethnics grousp in kenya and 87 ethncis groups in ethiopia,

if another tribe was in Ogadens postilion in somali region, it would have been lost, the deen and langauge, we shed Ogaden blood to send a massage, we were the only tribe out of 26 somali tribes that were willing to die for somali region in ethiopia and fight them since the british gave away the land in 1958 and even before that,

1door, dir, harti, non are willing to die for somali region, which is why we rule it,

i will give credit to Mj in somalia, before Ogaden refocused on Jubaland, amrehan was basically a hawiye step child, hawiye was burning the country and 1door left and Mj was the only one dying for somalinimo,

but keep in mind, when uncle cabdullhi yusuf needed help, he never asked marehan, it was always Ogaden in Ethiopia and Kenya he relied on, as he know on Ogaden and Mj were willing to raise money, die for somalia and proetc her pride,


there is no daroodnimo with out Ogaden or majerteen, there is no somalinimo with out Ogaden or majerteen, they are the only to clans you cannot control or mentality colonise, they are thought and prideful, they have the history and land conquest,

sure, Ogaden is like British and majerteen is like the french in Europe, they will come second in land, infleucne, etc, but the british dominated the world -Ogaden dominates east africa, French dominated Europe, the majerteen we left them to eat somalia as we liertally fought 110 million raw meat eaters alone when the other 25 somali clans said we want Ethiopia to colonise us, only we refused,



majerteens biggest weakness is cuqdad of Ogaden, deep down he fears Ogaden because they cannot be controlled, they are massive and influencial in three nations and Ogaden has the longest history, Ogaden was conquering tribes and nations and expanding his land when all the other somalis in 1700, 1800s etc were sleeping on the wheel,


just liekt he fench, they always have UK cuqdad, but Uk did her own thing outside of europe,

imagine if we united, but our diffrences aside, we can dominate somalia, we can use Ogaden educated elite and man power from kenya and Ethiopia, have massive influence, 4 eyars us, 4 years yuo lot,

just like the french did afetr the defate of napoleon, the fenehc became pro UK and the UK allowed them to dominate europe, the paris club, IMF, UN, french lingua franka,

and the fench and UK ( Mj and OG9 were able to dominate germnaic states like austro-hungry and germnay (hawiye and 1door, sopeically 1door, they are very united and loyal to somaliland, i amdire that, but keep in mind, Oagdne knows hwo to dominate and deal with 1door in somali region, he makes them accept relaity, 1door fear and respect Ogaden unlike harti, the germans feared the UK but not french as french were weak economically always, the germans ate them up in 1848, 1871, almost in 1914-18 and 1940),

but Ogaden doesn't know or understand hawiye, the Mj know them , leave door to us, we leave haweiye to you,

but the issue is majerteen, they have a natural fear of Ogaden because when it comes to war Ogaden is dominate, he doesn't give a fly fuk about daroodnimo, Ogaden has always done his own thing, his own mind, follows his own goals and doesn't need numbers, allies, help, resources etc, just like the British and how they have always never need Europe or the Russians and how they always keep their distance out of Europe, this is why Uk and Russia will never join euro or the EU

majrteen is good at controlling small clans or backward clans in terms of civilisation like hawiye and yaryar, but has a fear of large clans like Ogaden, 1door etc,

Ogaden has single handedly Fought habaashi and 25 somali tribes and still manages to rule them as president whilst at war, this is why Majetreen fears, a war like tribe that is extremely confident and self assured, majertreen can bully langabs and say i am yuor king, but when it comes to successful tribes like Ogaden, he feels like little Parthian Persia next to Roman empire, he feels threatened, meek, scared, cuqdad comes in,

but the cuqdad aside, lets share power like the french and UK since 1820s, lets rule somalia and dominate east Africa and re unite all the 5 somali nations,

lets also be visonary and intellegent, if somaliland wants out, fine, lets create a somalu union, same language, like the EU, with a comman defence, cureency if needed and over all defence pact (like NATO- a Cushtic NATO0 and even inviet the cushtics, in todays world its about comman interest, economcis, unions, GCC, ASEAN, EU, pacific defence pact etc, NAFTA, Latina Union etc,

lets use loans and debts to control the 1doro and anyone that wants to leave the Somali union, (greece? she could never leave, when germany pays her loans) regional president,s but an under over union with massive power, national flags but each flyign next to the somali union flag,

Oagden invnted somalinimo, MJ was infected by it, soon isnha Allah other somalis will be infected, and be in love wit it,

dont be surprised with hawiye, dir, sheekhaal, etc they are like Estonia, Moldova, they are new to nation hood and civilisation,

let me tell yuo as secret, Ogaden doesn't even consider hawiye somali, he thinks of him as we think of a boran, a jalwa, to an Ogaden, hisorially, anyone outsiode of darood was a babrbrian to be civlised, and this is also what old majrteen and marehan daroods and dhulbahante belived deep down,

darood have alwasy belived they made somalia, died for it, and mad it the Switzerland of afrcia, this is why in 1960 all the 6 somali famous people statues in xamar were all Absame, hawiye despite being the first president could not find a hawo tako hawiye or a qamaan bulxaan, or raage ugaa,s or Sayid or king wiil waal to name after their roads and schools,

but the weakness with darood is they are each others kriptonites, worst enemies,

hisrially a majerteen like kenadiid or an Ogaden like sultan ahmed magan did not need darood manpower to subdue and civilise local non darood tribes, but now the enemy has awaoken, is a barbaric in terms of history, daqan, manners, and we must unite

sorry i dont believe somalia should be led by a man who met civilisation in 1960, this is why non daroods should never rule, to hell with this 4.5 BS

when Ogaden as expanding and wipe out races and conquering Riva Tana and central Kenya, and Pushing into oromo borders in 1820s, these people did not even know warfare, statehood, dying for a cause etc, too busy searching for food and water, we must civilise them, teach them somalinimo, to be far all somali except Absame were busy searching for food when we Ogaden were so awake we were expanding our lands through conquest and genocide, something i am extremely proud my Ogaden/Absame ancestors did,

just like how the french and english taught the Balkans civilisation after centuries of Turkish ottoman dominance, when they became nations, they were taught this by the older brothers, France, Germany, UK, etc , this is what we must be,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Marehan is way better then Hawiye on Haami side also. He created the nabad iyo nolal HAAMI dream. He just hasn't got the qorsho iyo siyasiin to execute it that's where he stuffed up nin jeclaysi ayaa haamigisa dilayso inaysan suurtowbin. Where-as HSM-SHARIF no haami watsoever, i dont remember their DREAM speech and their political map being presented. So Marehan is up there politically and haami wise with Majerten/Ogaden but he hasnt successfuly created a haami at the scale and execution level of MAJERTEN AND OGADEN DID WITH SOMALINIMO BY SAYID AND FEDERALNIMO OF MAJERTEN. HA TANASULO MAREHAN UR TRYING AT LEAST FAR BETTER THEN WHAT ISAAQ AND HAWIYE ARE DOING

marehan our cosuin is punching above his weight, he is like Spain or Portugal, of the 1800s, dead by then, great during the 1500-1600s, Ogaden is like the British or Russians, came centuries before other Europeans, old boy in the school yard, biggest lands, massive pop, dominates outside of one country/region, , majerteen are like the french trying to emulate the British/Russians in terms of expanding influence, in this case Ogaden, came after the old boys in the yard but aggressive and wants to be in that elite club with the UK/russia, the french always lost to the Germans, weak when it came to war and industrialisation, always got their asses kicked (1door is german in this case, a new country/idea but stronger economically than France/harti/majerteen, but scared of the English/Russians -Ogaden/Absame in this case, ironic putnland wants tarrifs to stop 1door economic might, but notice how despite Ogaden kills 1door people in gaashmabo, they still trade, this is because Germany and Britain always traded, because germany needs it, as Ogaden/UK can always go to djabooty, kismayo, xamar port, eriteria, kenya in the moyale corridor, etc, hence the British can always go to Canada,a US Australia, japan etc to trade, hence why Ogaden doesnt fear free trade, tarrifs, he has too many links, a 5,000 Km border, jubaland, nfd, djabouti etc,

i am basically using europe and the west to give you an analogy of somalia/ horn of africa,

 

[Mckenzie]

marehan our cosuin is punching above his weight, he is like Spain or Portugal, of the 1800s, dead by then, great during the 1500-1600s, Ogaden is like the British or Russians, came centuries before other Europeans, old boy in the school yard, biggest lands, massive pop, dominates outside of one country/region, , majerteen are like the french trying to emulate the British/Russians in terms of expanding influence, in this case Ogaden, came after the old boys in the yard but aggressive and wants to be in that elite club with the UK/russia, the french always lost to the Germans, weak when it came to war and industrialisation, always got their asses kicked (1door is german in this case, a new country/idea but stronger economically than France/harti/majerteen, but scared of the English/Russians -Ogaden/Absame in this case, ironic putnland wants tarrifs to stop 1door economic might, but notice how despite Ogaden kills 1door people in gaashmabo, they still trade, this is because Germany and Britain always traded, because germany needs it, as Ogaden/UK can always go to djabooty, kismayo, xamar port, eriteria, kenya in the moyale corridor, etc, hence the British can always go to Canada,a US Australia, japan etc to trade, hence why Ogaden doesnt fear free trade, tarrifs, he has too many links, a 5,000 Km border, jubaland, nfd, djabouti etc,

i am basically using europe and the west to give you an analogy of somalia/ horn of africa,

 

[DR OSMAN]

marehan our cosuin is punching above his weight, he is like Spain or Portugal, of the 1800s, dead by then, great during the 1500-1600s, Ogaden is like the British or Russians, came centuries before other Europeans, old boy in the school yard, biggest lands, massive pop, dominates outside of one country/region, , majerteen are like the french trying to emulate the British/Russians in terms of expanding influence, in this case Ogaden, came after the old boys in the yard but aggressive and wants to be in that elite club with the UK/russia, the french always lost to the Germans, weak when it came to war and industrialisation, always got their asses kicked (1door is german in this case, a new country/idea but stronger economically than France/harti/majerteen, but scared of the English/Russians -Ogaden/Absame in this case, ironic putnland wants tarrifs to stop 1door economic might, but notice how despite Ogaden kills 1door people in gaashmabo, they still trade, this is because Germany and Britain always traded, because germany needs it, as Ogaden/UK can always go to djabooty, kismayo, xamar port, eriteria, kenya in the moyale corridor, etc, hence the British can always go to Canada,a US Australia, japan etc to trade, hence why Ogaden doesnt fear free trade, tarrifs, he has too many links, a 5,000 Km border, jubaland, nfd, djabouti etc,

i am basically using europe and the west to give you an analogy of somalia/ horn of africa,

I think you are placing a great importance on 1door and ignoring Hawiye is ten times more ppl, more wealth, more land and much harder to deal with then 1door. OG have focused on 1door I agree but their not a large clan at all and nothing to scale of Hawiye. Infact the attention OG has given 1DOOR in history is debateable as they would only send 'dhulbahante' to handle them. The OG never messed with MJ cause we were already a government, they would send delegations to us to convince us of their project and we would never come to an agreement and hence they then sent us 'darwish' to deal with us. But it wasn't because we were NAKED tribesmen like Isaaq or Hawiye at least you acknowledged that part. They had no single authority, governance, policies, etc the Isaaq and Hawiye and I think u should RANK both at the same level and not get 'emotional' for one barbarian over another.

As for 1door being stronger then MJ, that's a very silly idea. Why is Isaaq working in our restaurants and being cooks and waiter if he is economically so strong and has better living standard then us. U won't see an MJ working in hargeisa picking up bags at airport or as cooks or waiters. Isaaq use Dhulbahante to STOP MJ, and u know that bro. They can never dare mess with MJ and they know it, like one to one, way naga baqan sxb. MJ deep down ma jecla inu darod la dagaalo historically beyond 'skermishes' not ALL OUT WAR. I will set a rule and OG can 'referee' to work out who is stronger MJ or Isaaq. Dhulbahante haka baxeen labada dhinac ay ku jiran oo mj iyo isaaq. Just leave the field for MJ and Isaaq wallahi you will see the TRUTH then.

U underestimate MJ wealth. My family is a 'average' sample family in PL. 80% are literally rural still, they come into town seasonally and then go back to their livestock rurally. The only ones who are fully settled are only a handful of my family and it's a very small representation of my wider family.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Now as for Hawiye that is different story. I don't think MJ can handle them as a whole united. But take away HG, we can end them niggas in seconds. We will capture el bur in two seconds even @embarassing know this. We can end the wacaysle very quickly and the rest of Abgaal waa maskino hamar degan. PPL say MJ are not good fighters, if that is true KALAY TAAKO KAMID AH DHULKOODA QAATA.

MJ is surrounded by the strong fighting clans. Dhulbahante and Habar gedir. U think we will not adopt a similar fighting style? if we take them two out of the equation, isaaq on the west and hawiye on the south wud see HG/DHULBAHANTE minded warrior in MJ entering their towns and taking over. Thats why dhulbahante and hg always use the MJ card on isaaq and other hawiyes. HG tells them i am protecting u against MJ who is ruthless and dhulbahante uses the same card on Isaaq. They know MJ waa dagaalama they know the history HG IYO DHULBAHANTE and those two clans are reported as the greatest fighting force in Somalia

 

[DR OSMAN]

Besides HY who is brutal fighter and renowned by even other Somali clans. Who can test MJ in Isaaq, HJ is at best murusade size, good fighters, but no numbers. Habar awal like Abgaal, settled down and peaceful. These Isaaqs and HG and Dhulos forget MJ live among you guys and havent lost a single land in hawdka(hy, ogs, dhulos, mj), nugaasha(mj iyo dhulos), bariga(warsan iyo mj), iyo muduga(hg iyo mj). We havent lost a single land spot and we are surrounded by clans who are the backbone of hawiye and isaaq, we are dealing with ur best fighters ISAAQOW IYO HAWIYOW AND THEY KNOW US AS MAJERTEN. Heck we even touch into Ogaden in deep wardheer.

MJ is literally neighbors with a brave dhulbahante and brave HG and MJ still in their territories holding their land as it was since their ancestor time. To say their weak yet surrounded by the strongest fighters makes no scientific sense. U r shaped by your neighbor brutality makes sense, MJ has brutality fighters and u know it. U think HABAR AWAL OR ABGAAL STAND A CHANCE

 

[DR OSMAN]

See the reason we struggle to have good relationship with Dhulbahante and HG is they are completely war driven and have not much 'elites or civilization'. Where-as notice the HY who are built similarly to MJ with 'sanaag' guys being their civilized ones while their rowdy ones are in the HAWD? Notice we have good relationship? it's because u got someone to talk with that has some form of intelligence to convince these ppl of the reality on the ground.

HY if they leave Isaaq, HJ and HA can't hold down Majerten and even HY in here will tell you. HJ is to small in number and HA is settled and NAAGO. MJ only has small settled and civilized population in BARIGA. Nugaal and Mudug are brutal and same with Wardheer. That's the difference we will collect these warriors using our upper class to guide them to brutalize hargeisa and hamar if hg iyo hy meesha ka baxan.

When I say Bari I mean anything after the mountains towards the coast primarily where ali saleban live and dashishe and warsangeliga their civilized and settled clans. Below that waa nugaashi including qardho. U talking from Qardho to Galkacyo to Wardheer that is mj base and their crazy fighters and why we control PL. But the difference is we have good elite base that is settled historically in the coast who tend to be our BOQORTOYO. But the base of the population are brutal warriors like dhulbahante/hg which i assume they adopted both styles so when mj from mudug and mj from nugaasha illa qardho unite, waxay isku keeni karan cilmiga ay ka barteen dagaaladooda mudug iyo kan dhulbahante to combine this great knowledge to take down any clan in somalia.

The problem with HG IYO DHULBAHANTE IS THEY HAVE THE SAME WARRIOR BASE AS MAJERTEN but nothing in terms of elite, civilization, and coastal areas iyo hogaan uu taliya. Which MJ has, so we dont wild out and can return to common sense

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@DR OSMAN firstly the sayid used to karbash osman muxamuud and ciise muxamuud at will, in nugaal their is am moutian called ciiso si soco, apparently he kileld 10,000 ciise when they asked italains help us to kill the sayid, but cousins forget that kidn of beef and make up and carry on

also Ogaden did not usually really rely on darood and never needed them for manpower, resources, leadership, truth is majerteen were the second tribal to be civilised afetr Ogaden, as Mj came to civilisation in late 1800s during kenadiid when at that time Ogaden was already fighting the British in kenyas rift valley, enslaving bantus and beign the most expanded somalis due to mohamed zubeer leadership, arrogance and islamic zeal, sure the sayid civilised dhulbahante, but do not forget, the top leaders, like qamaan bulxaan was sayid defence minister, dhulo were foot soldiers, with Ogaden brain and organisation, still they did good under us,

i am intrsted, why did Oagden arise first as the first strong somali civilisation centuries afetr the ajuuran were killed off and why did it take Mj second and other somalis came out of the

i am curious, Ogaden first, by 1820 no one knew of anything majerteen did or 1door let alone hawiye, but but 1890s we have kenaiid doing his own thing, waking up majerteen and saying waryada Ogaden is eating east africa lone,

but why? why not other somalis? i have a theory, i think its because Ogaden developed mastery in war, and were forced to organise kingship and leadership and get ready or be wiped out by forein enemies, non somalis,

where as other somalis were surrounded by somalis, protecting by oagden, the real wall of the somalis as we were sandwhiched in between ahaamr, bantu, oromo etc

that is my theory, the russians were forced to organise centuries before central and eastern europeans due to mongal aggression, the Ogadens were froced to wake up centuries before other somalis due to foreign aggression on the borders, war ether makes you or exterminates you, it made us and in turn we conquered and expanded,

when other somalis were naked the sayid sold camels for gold and went to istanbul, sudan, iraq, saudi or todays hijaz etc to learn deen and explore, this took wealth, looted camels, to be away fro years and he returned with war books, skills in fighting, weapons of the west, tactics, strategy, saydi even said they can only attack me by plane adn they will only win that way, he knew these as he read about the wright brothers during his visits to the ottoman empire

my grandfather sold camels and took my dad to visit nigeria, indonesia, kuwat, iraq, even south africa in the 50s and 60s, many Ogaden man would travel by selling camels and using gold to go to african countries before they became free and middle east, this was the mind set, with looted 1door camels as wealth, we travelled,

also i disagree with 1door, they are a lot more united than hawiye, hawiye is fragmented

1door are weak fighters and only bully less united clans, but they have years of training in fighti caghdeer, hence why they can kick harti ass and control them, but ogaden knows how to control them and karbash them , or mohamed zubeer, hence why they fear us and not harti,

habar gidir is tiny, cabdi iley ate them for breakfast and then make abdikariim come to jigjiga to do dhaanto, why dont majerteen just eat them if yall are so powerful, its because Mj is not good at dying or fighting wars, good at deception but not when ti comes to rolling up sleeves, even Russia and american has to do that from time to time

good luck withy uor enemeis, but be like us, kill 6 of them when they kill 1 of yall, i would never even allow habar gidir to threaten us, or langab tribes, or 1door,

also why not karbash dhulo and teach 1door a lesson, if small absame get out of hand we karbash them and tell them to sit down, seems like older brother cannot handle the little annoying brother,

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha I own @Mckenzie notice how he does all his firing shots at other clans in other threads? that's how HG is, they do this nonsense to Hawiyaha kale firing shots to remind them their brave but they also use the boogeyman card inay majerten ka ilalinayan. He won't come and deal with the doctor like it is in Mudug he stays where he is on his side of the border looooooooooool. Keep huuhaa with hawiye waryaa but I am exposing the truth. MJ is more brutal then HG we have combined dhulbahante knowledge and habar gedir knowledge to bring a fighting force that could be literally best for pound for pound fighter in somalia but we have a top elite class in the coastal areas since time immemorial that keeps our clan CONTROLLED

 

[Farjano-Walad]

There is nothing to be ashamed about if you have weakness, at least if u acknowledge it u can now develop a plan to fix it. I am terrible work horse and I am addressing thru emotional stability training with my psychologists and support workers. I want to attend depression courses, lack of motivation courses, happiness courses, to develop strong emotional stability and I think thru that I can be DEDICATED AND DISCIPLINED AS A WORK HORSE.

The ingredient to successful man or woman is

1. Vision and Dream and Haami
2. Qorsho or Plan(realistic one) mentally laid out or written down, watever suits u
3. Work horse who is disciplined and will follow that qorsho till he dies getting there

No 3 is what majerten lack. No 3 is what isaaq are damn good at and mad respect for them wallahi and should help teach somalis how to develop that skill. Vision MJ and OG are 1 for 1 somalinimo of sayid which we stole and used in SYL vs federalism visions we mounted in 98.

Now who is the best planner or qorsho guy(politician) this is where I think this will get TIGHT between Somali clans cuz some are damn good influencing people some are fake and just doing 'weji is tusi istusi like so fake u lose the crowd'. But the race will be between MJ who are damn GOOD TALKERS AND BRING PPL TOGETHER NON VIOLENTALLY. Dhulbahante wud be the WORST in Darood. Warsangeli I think cud take second spot. Ogaden is terrible at this. Isaaq(its a mixed bag like that hashi guy, kaluun guy excellent siyasi) to loser jabhad like muse bihi, kahin, etc. Hawiye HG wud rate LOWEST as he turns to violent methods always, abgaal higher keeps non violent his siyasad lol. Marehan MIXED BAG some violent some just as good as MJ/WARSAN/ISAAQ keeping it non violent and creating QORSHO and Plans.

i dont think you know Ogaden as well as you claim, you tel me warsengli and other yar yar are better at certain things when ogaden handles 110 million habahsi, running 3 countries, karbash Somalis and ajanabi etc, no one comes close, we have been dealt with bad hands no tribe can handel, warsengli and other yar yar cannot even handle a county let alone a country, they are under mj and 1door feet,

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha you made some good interesting points about Sayidka and learning from the ottomans. Was he the first one to do such things? What were Somalis doing prior to 'sayidka'? You think MJ organized itself overnight, that's like saying PL came into creation overnight and there wasn't a-lot done before-hand 91-98. U see I think Somalia prior to Sayidka was like how PL was in 1991-98 with no 'mamul' and how galmudug is now between dhusomareeb iyo cadaado iyo baraxlay with no mamul or organization. That's what I think sayidka refers to when he means an organized clan and unorganized clan.

PL always had a king and depending from time to time or era to era he was focused on expanding locally to bring the clans under his wing, especially in the bari zone. It is this King Osman in the 18th century that is famous in MJ and to lesser extent Somalia(OGs knew about him and mentioned him in a number of gabay) indicating that OG'z were fully aware MJ had an ORDER and structure. They never mention other clans LEADERS in gabay have u noticed that? cause as you indicated they weree barbarians and just roaming around. In the gabay he does for other clans, he only mentions their TRIBE NAME like Habar yonis iyo Habar awal, lakin ma jiro magac HOGAAN ama Mamul. So that's why I think your being unfair in your assessment of Hawiye and Isaaq when the sayid referred to both in the same way 'uncoordinated' tribes who were just roaming around naked with no leadership.

Maybe you don't know MJ well and might be from the other side of Ogadeniya near the Isaaq. But ask the OGS who live near Wardheer, they know MJ well. Boqor Osman in the 18th century wasn't our first king, look at Boqor Osman and his abtirsi, we always had kings before him. Were those kings as successful as him and his period, well that's a story that only PL can talk about. The local situation and geopolitics of the time of previous MJ kings was vastly different to the one Boqor Osman walked into and he developed a foreign policy arm with Arabia and Italy. Did our previous Kings have a foreign policy arm? I am not sure wallahi, this is something I will investigate with elders in Puntland. But geopolitically the world changed when Boqor Osman entered with the advent of European Colonization which created king osman to develop a foreign policy arm. Does that mean our previous kings were worse then him? no I don't think so, aduunka wasn't the same place when those kings ruled. They need careful assessment of their time period, geopolitics of their time period, the local situation in their area, and their priorities at the time(war, was it economic growth(more camels and livestock), was it(education and settlement). This is a story only PL can speak for since it's their history. However we do obviously demand evidence for whatever they speak on, cause we not going to accept just words and gloat.

But there is no doubt this Boqor Osman of the 18th century was the famous king you talk about and other somalis mention but he didn't drop from the sky, and he didn't start and administration from nothing, there was a leadership and order always present for this king to build upon which is the part u forget and assume MJ history began with the arrival of Boqor Osman.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha but one thing I can tell you and that is for certain. 91-98 way ku cusbeed majerten. Meel aan mamul jirin, has never been in their history and they never knew how to deal with it before. They call this period the worst period in their history since they lack any sort of historical guide to present a solution for mamul la'an. Hawiye waa barwaaqo weeye iyo Isaaq they probably have more knowledge on how to live like this and why they are continuing dagaalka somaliyeed.

I think the same with Ogaden their not used to this environment, as you can see from their gabays, they don't provide hikmad around mamul la'an, so i think in the next 150 years we will develop history about how to deal with no administration. I suspect hawiye n isaaq know mamul la'an is the weak heel of darod and hence using this against us to gain some sort of advantage. Wallahi we have no gabays from history on when darod were mamul la'an to inspire some sort of answer to our dilemma today. I think we always had some sort of law n order and administrators in our culture because we don't address mamul la'an situation untill after 1991.

AS HG n Isaaq bicker away bro, listen to what Abdillahi Yusuf said about Isaaq waxay ku heeshiyeen inaysan somalia ka dhalan. remember that famous interview abdillahi yusuf did with universal tv? they know our weakness as darod is not having any administration so their policies is to extend the civil war using whatever it takes tribal difference, political difference, religious difference. Habar gedir is definitely onboard this HG/ISAAQ policy which is why their always USC/SNM, NOW THEIR RUNNING SHABAB, f*ck THEM WALLAHI ha kala saarin labo qaawane.

HG/ISAAQ LOVE EACH OTHER especially HJ/HA love Habar Gedir heeshish waxay ku yihin in dawlad la'anta si jirto ileen dawlad haday timaado darod has to many experts, history, and will win hands down. However your always giving Isaaq props where-as anigu ma kala sari HG iyo Isaaq. Waxay heeshish ku yihin dawlad la'an inay ka jirto somalia and hence why they are always joining anti government establishment. They fear we are smarter then them, have more experts, more history, in laga faani doono, in la gumayn doono, and all that shit.

Trust me I know langaab thinking, im from small clan in osman mahmoud so I know how langaab thing bro. But u wont be treated like that if your langaab in history and laangaab in siyasiin and langaab in general educated people. U need to earn your way to the top not sit there and ball bust ppl who are better at it then u. U will never see my clan bah dubays who gets nothing much in PL politically wise joining isaaq or hawiye and saying welcome us langaab in because we dont get anything from PL or Somalia. We keep our head down and look to lift our clan up by changing ourselves.

Langaabka waa kala duwan yihin, some are gob niyahow like bah dubays my clan while others are bal l busters like isaaq and hg oo aan rabin in loo taliyo iyaguna talo ma haayan

 

[DR OSMAN]

For example sicid deni bah dhulbahante waa sida bah dubays weeye. They were nothing in history in osman mahmoud, but they changed themselves. Waxgarad badan bay hada lee yihin, miyigana xoolaha waa ku gaba, plus their in the trade game in Somalia businesses. They help each other, xaq ma aha inan anigo bah dubays ah intanan ka maseero oo yirahdo bah dhulbahante qarax iyo mamul la'an haku dhacdee that fkn langaab ehlu naar ah weeye. Adigu isbadel illahi kuma diidana, I wud never support a bah dubays who says dadyowga kale aan dilno oo naga hormaray.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha that's why I think OG and MJ the landheer clans with lots of history, respect, governance should allow the langaab clans which are HALAL mind u to rule BEESHA illa laga gudbayo mamul la'anta jira. Only langaab knows how to deal with langaab ma garatay. We know how they think and how they try to survive when more prestigious clans are above them. Just leave them to us bro, I think it's time MJ and OG look inside their langaab clans and say you go and deal with these hawiye n isaaq.

Wallahi I wud destroy these niggas in a second and make them halal again and show them u can survive as a langaab but u need to do it the PROPER WAY, not the tuug way not the ball busting way not the made way.

If I was PL leader I wud recruit langaab clans oo halal ah and I wud tell the bigger clans iska farista, we tried you guys for to long and there is no solution since u dont know how to survive as a langaab. I wud place ali saleban, warsangeli in power. I would then bring larger clans dhulbahante, omar mahmoud, osman mahmoud, issa mahmoud and say kuwina ugu liito lakin daadaalayo keena. We dont need landheere waqti cusub lagu jira somalia. Langaab ayaa langaab yaqan.

I am sure we would see a huge shift in Somalia if u just let langaab play the langaab. HG and Isaaq we know their thinking since we are langaab inside our own clans but they way they go about their goals is far different to the way we go about it. I am a brilliant strategist and puntland needs more ppl who understand the strategy game

 

[DR OSMAN]

There is two types of langaab.

1. They realize the number game wont work, so they develop the brain and strategy game to survive. This is why they use shabab, jabhad, etc to hide in something that can provide protection for them.
2. The other type of langaab is he uses his limited people resources to fight this is the easier one u can crush these in a second.

The first one is the one we need to deal with and I can handle those ones cause what their doing is bright as day and the way to stop it is a bright as day also. Somalis assume langaab is just someone u can walk all over, yes their are some like that but there are other langaabs who are not exactly the same. Two different types ba jira. They lack knowledge in langaab since maybe they never lived that life and using the landheere approach which is failing miserably in the nation. Like I said round up the langaab clans inside MJ or OG and ask them how did u survive when much larger clans existed around u. They not alive for no reason, maskax ama tuugsi ayay ku gaadheen