Are All Hadiths Correct?

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This is the most favorable one. Other interpretations say he found the sun, not as if. The "people" he found wanted protection from gog and magog, so he built a wall made of iron and brass. Funny enough, this wall is nowhere to be found on earth. The wall of China is thoroughly studied and is obviously not confining billions of thirsty subhuman creatures called gog and magog.

One more thing: gog and magog apparently dig through the wall every night and just before ending for the night, forget to say "inshallah", so Allah reverses their progress and they never actually get out. In the end of days however, a clever gog and magog WILL say inshallah, Allah will get tricked and forget to reverse their progress, unleashing billions of crazy creatures on the earth. If you're a logical person, how can you believe any of this?
Maybe it's a metaphor. You will find plenty of anti-scientific stuff in premodern translations and tafsirs because it never occurred to them that the sun does not set. I'm sure there will be even more errors in how we presently understand the Quran as more and more scientific discoveries change how we see the universe. That's why I'm against literalism. It's bound to be disproven by the onward march of time.

As for the Gog and Magog, yes, that sounds irrational. It's fitting it comes from hadiths because there is nothing about that in the Quran al-Karim.
 
The author of the book that was discussed in the OP is this one, sheikh Atabek Shukurov. He explains why Sahih Bukhari is not as sound as often claimed:

 
I will repost @shan-futo-le's epic comment on the many things in the "sahih" hadiths that contradict the Quran, science, and reason:

Narrated Aisha: It had been revealed in the Quran that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Quran (and recited by the Muslims). (Muslim: Book 8, Number 3421)

Narrated Aisha: Umm Salamah said to Aisha: A young boy who is at the threshold of puberty comes to you. I, however, do not like that he should come to me, whereupon Aisha said: Don't you see in Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) a model for you? She also said: The wife of Abu Hudhayfah said: Messenger of Allah, Salim comes to me and now he is a (grown-up) person, and there is something that (rankles) in the mind of Abu Hudhayfah about him, whereupon Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Suckle him (so that he may become your foster-child), and thus he may be able to come to you (freely). (Muslim: Book 8, Number 3427)

' A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed. (Muslim: Book 8, Number 3424)

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him (Breastfeed him) and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared. (Muslim: Book 8, Number 3425)


First, these verses are not in the Qur'an as claimed by the hadith. Second, can anyone allow his wife to breastfeed an adult male so he could visit her freely?

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Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a Surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust."
And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not act upon" (lxi 2.) and “that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13). (Muslim Book 5, No. 2286)


Note 1: The surah that was the length of Bara’at doesn’t exist in the Qur’an, nor does the alleged verse "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." In fact, neither Muslim nor Bukhari know if it is in the Qur’an, and yet it is recorded.

Note 2: After that, Abu Musa al-Ash’ari alleges that there was another surah resembling the surahs of Musabbihat which he also forgot. Musabbihat are surahs that begin with Subhan or Subbah and they are: ‘al-Isra’ (Chapter 17 – 111 verses); ‘al-Hadid, (Chapter 57 – 29 Verses); ‘al-Hashr,( Chapter 59 – 24 Verses); ‘as-Saff, (Chapter 61 – 14 Verses); ‘al-Jumu’ah, (Chapter 62 – 11 Verses); ‘at-Taghabun, (Chapter 64 – 18 Verses)’ and ‘al-A’la.( Chapter 87 – 19 Verses).

Note that the second of the alleged verse in Arabic version of Sahih Muslim says:

<fi a’naqikum fatas’aluna ‘anha yaumal qiamati>, which is translated as “that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection"

This verse is not present in the Qur’an, so the translator has tried to identify 17:13 with it. But when we open the Qur’an and read 17: 13, it says:

<wa kullu insane azamanahu fi unuqihi wa nukhriju lahu yauma al qiamatihi litaban yalqahu manshura>
“Every man's fate We have fastened on his own neck: On the Day of Judgment We shall bring out for him a scroll, which he will see spread open.”(17:13)

As anyone can see, this is not the verse identified in the Hadeeth. The verse in the Hadeeth does not exist in the Qur’an we have today.

3.

Reported by Ibn Abbas that Umar Khattab said: “And then we used to recite among the Verses in Allah's Book: 'O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief (unthankfulness) on your part that you claim to be the offspring of other than your real father.'” (Bukhari Vol.8, Book 82, No. 817)


Note: There is no such verse in the entire Qur’an.

Narrated by Alqama: I went to Sham and offered a two-Rak'at prayer and then said, "O Allah! Bless me with a good pious companion." So I went to some people and sat with them. An old man came and sat by my side. I asked, "Who is he?" They replied, "(He is) Abu-Ad-Darda.' I said (to him), "I prayed to Allah to bless me with a pious companion and He sent you to me." He asked me, "From where are you?" I replied, "From the people of Al-Kufa." He said, "Isn't there amongst you Ibn Um 'Abd, the one who used to carry the shoes, the cushion (or pillow) and the water for ablution? Is there amongst you the one whom Allah gave refuge from Satan through the request of His Prophet? Is there amongst you the one who keeps the secrets of the Prophet which nobody knows except him? "Abu Darda further asked, "How does 'Abdullah (bin Mas'ud) recite the Sura starting with, 'By the Night as it conceals (the light)?' " (92.1) Then I recited before him: "By the Night as it envelops: And by the Day as it appears in brightness; And by male and female." (92.1-3) On this Abu Ad-Darda' said, "By Allah, the Prophet made me recite the Sura in this way while I was listening to him (reciting it" (Bukhari Vol. 5, Book 57, No. 85)

Note: According to this Hadeeth, Abu Darda states that the first three verses of chapter 92 are:

Waallayli itha yaghsha - (“By the night as it envelops,”)
Waalnnahari itha tajalla (“and by the day as it appears in brightness!”)
Walththakara waalontha (“And by male and the female!”)

Note the third verse. The Qur’an we have today has the following

Waallayli itha yaghsha - (“By the night as it envelops,”)
Waalnnahari itha tajalla (“and by the day as it appears in brightness!”)
Wama khalaqa alththakara waalontha (“And by the creation of the male and the female!”)

According to this Hadeeth of Bukhari, the word “wama khalaqa” was not in the Qur’an.

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Narrated by Anas: Some people from 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them, so Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) allowed them to go to the herd of camels (given as Zakat) and they drank their milk and urine (as medicine) but they killed the shepherd and drove away all the camels. So Allah's Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a place at Medina) biting the stones. (Bukhari: Volume 2, Book 24, Number 577)

This Hadeeth is repeated 14 times in Bukhari. Here are the other references: vol 1, No.234; vol 4 No.261; vol 5, No.505; vol 5, No.506; vol 7, No.589; vol 7, No. 590; vol 7, No. 623; vol 8, No. 794, vol 8, No. 795, vol 8, No. 796, vol 8, No. 797; vol 9, No. 37.

And here is a version from Muslim:

Anas reported: Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukl came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and swore allegiance to him on Islam, but found the climate of that land uncogenial to their health and thus they became sick, and they made complaint of that to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: Why don't you go to (the fold) of our camels along with our shepherd, and make use of their milk and urine. They said: Yes. They set out and drank their (camels') milk and urine and regained their health. They killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This (news) reached Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died. (Muslim: Book 16, No. 4131)

Narrated Yahya: Humaid said, "A man peeped into house of
the Prophet and the Prophet aimed an arrow head at him to hit him." I asked, "Who told you that?" He said, "Anas bin Malik" (Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 83, Number 27)

Narrated Anas: A man peeped into one of the dwelling places of the Prophet. The Prophet got up and aimed a sharp-edged arrow head (or wooden stick) at him to poke him stealthily. (Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 83, Number 38a)


And here is what the Qur'an says about the Messenger:

“We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all the creatures.” (21:107)

“It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (Their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast taken a decision put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).” (3:159)

“Indeed, there has come unto you [O mankind] an Apostle from among yourselves: heavily weighs -upon him [the thought] that you might suffer [in the life to come]; full of concern for you [is he, and] full of compassion and mercy towards the believers.” (9:128)


You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct” (33:21)

“And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character.” (68:4)



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“Say: ‘Am I, then, to seek a sustainer other than God, when He is the Sustainer of all things?’ and whatever [wrong] any human being commits rests upon himself alone; and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another's burden, and, in time, unto your Sustainer you all must return: and then He will make you. [truly] understand all that on which you were wont to differ.” (6:164)

“Whoever chooses to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good; and whoever goes astray, goes but astray to his own hurt; and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden. Moreover, We would never chastise [any community for the wrong they may do] ere We have sent an apostle [to them].” (17:15)

“And be conscious of the Day on which you shall be brought back unto God, whereupon every human being shall be repaid in full for what he has earned, and none shall be wronged.” (2:281)

“How, then, [will they fare] when We shall gather them all together to witness the Day about [the coming of] which there is no doubt, and every human being shall be repaid in full for what he has done, and none shall be wronged?” (3:25)

“Whoever shall come [before God] with a good deed will gain ten times the like thereof; but whoever shall come with an evil deed will be requited with no more than the like thereof; and none shall be wronged.” (6:160)


But apparently, the Prophet is shown to be unaware of this principle:

Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Whenever a person is murdered unjustly, there is a share from the burden of the crime on the first son of Adam for he was the first to start the tradition of murdering." (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 55, Number 552)

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands." (Bukhari: Vol. 4, Book 55, No. 547)


This last Hadeeth is interesting in two regards: One it relates the betrayal of any woman to the alleged betrayal of “Eve”, which is not consistent with the Qur’anic principle of “no bearer of burdens shall near the burden of another”; second, it relates something very strange implying that before the existence of Bani-Israel (i.e. before the 12 tribes originating from the 12 sons of Prophet Jacob) the meat did not decay. No recorded history mentions this amazing and miraculous transformation after coming of Bani Israel.

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is narrated on the authority of 'A'isha who said: When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) passed away, his wives made up their minds to send 'Uthman b. 'Affan (as their spokesman) to Abu Bakr to demand from him their share from the legacy of the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him). (At this), A'isha said to them: Hasn't the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "We (Prophets) do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity"? (Muslim: 19:4351)

It has been narrated by 'Urwa b Zubair on the authority of 'A'isha, wife of the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him), that Fatima, daughter of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), requested Abu Bakr, after the death of the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him), that he should set apart her share from what the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had left from the properties that God had bestowed upon him. Abu Bakr said to her: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "We (Prophets) do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is Sadaqa (charity)." The narrator said: She (Fatima) lived six months after the death of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and she used to demand from Abu Bakr her share from the legacy of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) from Khaibar, Fadak and his charitable endowments at Medina. Abu Bakr refused to give her this, and said: I am not going to give up doing anything which the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to do. I am afraid that if I go against his instructions in any matter I shall deviate from the right course. So far as the charitable endowments at Medina were concerned, 'Umar handed them over to 'All and Abbas, but 'Ali got the better of him (and kept the property under his exclusive possession). And as far as Khaibar and Fadak were concerned 'Umar kept them with him, and said: These are the endowments of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) (to the Umma). Their income was spent on the discharge of the responsibilities that devolved upon him on the emergencies he had to meet. And their management was to be in the hands of one who managed the affairs (of the Islamic State). The narrator said: They have been managed as such up to this day. (Muslim: Book 19, No. 4354)

The poor daughter of the Prophet was kept away from a gift her father had given her during his lifetime based on a Hadeeth. Now, consider the following verse of the Qur’an:

“And Sulaiman inherited <warasa> from Dawud.” (27:15)

Dawud was a king, and when he passed away, his son, Sulaiman inherited his kingdom and became the king. Dawud was also a Prophet.

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Salim reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: He who kept a dog other than one meant for hunting or for watching the herd, lost two qirat of his reward every day. (Muslim: Book 10, No. 3816)

Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying He who kept a dog other than one meant for hunting or for watching the herd lost out of his deeds (equal to) two qirat every day. (Muslim: Book 10, No. 3817)


Now let us see what the Qur’an says about Ashab-al-Kahaf, the young men who were believers and facing persecution from their people:

“When those youths took refuge in the cave, they prayed: ‘O our Sustainer! Bestow on us grace from Thyself, and endow us, whatever our [outward] condition, with consciousness of what is right! And thereupon We veiled their ears in the cave for many a year” (18:10-11)

“[And now] We shall truly relate to thee their story: Behold, they were young men who had attained to faith in their Sustainer: and [so] We deepened their consciousness of the right way” (18:13)


But the problem is that these rightly guided believers had a dog with them who was neither hunting nor guarding a herd.

“And thou wouldst have thought that they were awake, whereas they lay asleep. And We caused them to turn over repeatedly, now to the right, now to the left; and their dog [lay] on the threshold, its forepaws outstretched. Hadst thou come upon them [unprepared], thou wouldst surely have turned away from them in flight, and wouldst surely have been filled with awe of them.” (18:18)

“[And in times to come] some will say, ‘[They were] three, the fourth of them being their dog,’ while others will say, ‘Five, with their dog as the sixth of them’ -idly guessing at something of which they can have no knowledge -and [so on, until] some will say, ‘[They were] seven, the eighth of them being their dog.’ Say: ‘My Sustainer knows best how many they were. None but a few have any [real] knowledge of them. Hence, do not argue about them otherwise than by way of an obvious argument, and do not ask any of those [story-tellers] to enlighten thee about them.’” (18:22)


Since the youth were losing 2 rewards per day, their reward balance must have been in the negative when they woke up after so many years.

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“And if any of you die and leave wives behind, they shall undergo, without remarrying, a waiting-period of four months and ten days; whereupon, when they have reached the end of their waiting-term, there shall be no sin in whatever they may do with their persons in a lawful manner. And God is aware of all that you do.” (2:234)

Now let us see if the Prophet followed this advice from God:

Narrated Anas: The Prophet stayed for three days at a place between Khaibar and Medina, and there he consummated his marriage with Safiyya bint Huyay. I invited the Muslims to a banquet which included neither meat nor bread. The Prophet ordered for the leather dining sheets to be spread, and then dates, dried yogurt and butter were provided over it, and that was the Walima (banquet) of the Prophet. The Muslims asked whether Safiyya would be considered as his wife or as a slave girl of what his right hands possessed. Then they said, "If the Prophet screens her from the people, then she Is the Prophet's wife but if he does not screen her, then she is a slave girl." So when the Prophet proceeded, he made a place for her (on the camel) behind him and screened her from people. (Bukhari: Vol.7, Book 62, No. 89)

The collection of Bukhari also informs us that Sufiyya’s husband was killed in the battle of Khaiber against the Muslims, and it was after his death that she was taken as a captive, and was married within a few days to the Prophet, who immediately consummated his marriage to her while still on the way to Medina. (Bukhari: Vol. 5, Book 59, No. 522)

This is just a sample of Ahadith in Muslim and Bukhari that contradict the Qur'an. There are many others that not only contradict the Qur'an but contradict each other also.





 
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I have actually watched the video and he said absolutely nothing that the OP posted, he is either deliberately being dishonest as part of his nefarious agenda on here or his religious foundation is so lacking that the conclusions he draws are just heretical in nature.

I know Shabir Alley very well and he would never say such things, hence why I watched the whole video, even I didn't think this bakhti would be so brazen with his lies.

The 200 hadith he spoke off is the Mutwatir hadiths as per one of the Hanafi schools, the number of these types of hadiths is disputed depending on the classification and methodology each school of thought takes, some are more lax others are more strict.

Mutawatir hadith are those that have been narrated by a large number of the salaf with so many different chains of transmission with not a single discrepancy in the text, they are graded the highest for this reason, it's just one of the many hadith classifications.

The hadith could be mutawatir in both actual text as well as in the meaning, each school differs depending upon the methodology that is used (usool) on which is mutawatir and which is not, this is a very rigorous complex science not for the laymen, so I won't even entertain this topic.

This lying scumbag has took this statement of Shabir Ally with clarifications and twisted it to serve his own sinister agenda like his orientalist overlords, their age old plan has always been to attack the hadith literature/science, and if they are successful in discrediting this, it automatically discredits the Quran too because those same sources have transmitted those words to us.

That's the whole end game behind this, 2 birds, 1 stone.
 
@shan-futo-le post came from the following Anti Islamic site run by the usual orientalist liars.

https://ancientmodernislam.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/some-lies-from-hadith-books.html

He is even linking to an article titled "Hadith plagiarized from the bible"

That site reminds me of a similar piece answeringislam.com site did (the author being a former Ahmediya pagan that classes himself as an Ex Muslim).

A site which had a habit of posting clear cut lies, twisting the original Arabic text, quoting fabricated hadith as unanimously agreed upon by all our scholars but making them appear as though they were authentic hadiths coming from Bukhari.

They were routinely debunked by answeringchristianity.com, if you can't even read the classical Arabic texts, you should never take the words of the orientalist satanist liars nor the words of the pagan Munafiq's.
 
The entire religion contradicts science. Praying "toward" the Kaaba on a spherical earth contradicts science. The tenants of the religion are premised on the belief in a flat earth.
:deadosama:



How did we even have a Cold War when the US or USSR can't shoot nukes towards eachother because the earth is round :damn:





smh atheists don't even know basic directions or how to use a compass relative to your position :snoop:
 

shan-futo-le

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@shan-futo-le post came from the following Anti Islamic site run by the usual orientalist liars.

https://ancientmodernislam.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/some-lies-from-hadith-books.html

He is even linking to an article titled "Hadith plagiarized from the bible"

That site reminds me of a similar piece answeringislam.com site did (the author being a former Ahmediya pagan that classes himself as an Ex Muslim).

A site which had a habit of posting clear cut lies, twisting the original Arabic text, quoting fabricated hadith as unanimously agreed upon by all our scholars but making them appear as though they were authentic hadiths coming from Bukhari.

They were routinely debunked by answeringchristianity.com, if you can't even read the classical Arabic texts, you should never take the words of the orientalist satanist liars nor the words of the pagan Munafiq's.
Actually no my list came from the islamic ummah forums where one brother asked another brother who has studied the hadith why the above hadiths seem to contradict the quran and each other. Curiosity and asking shouldn't make one a heretic or a gaal , we need to debate about many issues hadith included i'm not a Quranist far from it , i heavily rely on the hadith from how to pray to how to make dua's just like the prophet would , however there are some hadiths the above included that have wronged our prophet in calling him a pagan (one of the hadith suggested he ordered the sahabah to unearth an already buried body in which he kissed the body and prayed up on it and then ordered the sahaba to bury the person again) now to me this is paganism and should not be attributed to our prophet (saw) as Allah mentioned in the Qur'an that our prophets was pure. Don't let Bidaar Wanagsan fool you. I hardly share his views , he's the there side of the extreme scale in which he is too lax and he doesn't seem to take it seriously.

in the thread i posted the list after a brother on here said that i should bring forth evidence that the hadith is skewed to which i found that archived forum and copied and pasted the list and told the brother that these are some known and listed hadiths that most have cited problems with.
 

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Rag waa shaah dumarna waa sheeko.
Why are you taking this guy seriously ? from what i can tell he doesn't seem to be a muslim and if you look at all the videos he has ever posted regarding anything islamic he always twists the statements to suit the agenda he's pushing which is to create doubts in the hearts & minds of those who still adhere to islam.

As a matter of fact he's actually worse than kan isku bixiyay badeeriga mulxidiinta as he pretends to be muslim while espousing believes of the former. Shabir was referring to a particular type of hadeeth as @Inquisitive_ has explained laakin shabir and most of those who follow the hanafi school of thought are either maturidi, ashari, mutzailite in creed. He has weird views when it comes to qadr/predestination is islam, i don't know if he changed views but last i remember was that he believed that Allah doesn't know the choices a person will make until the persons makes them. It's not only him but also a number of scholars, callers to islam from this school of thought that share somewhat a similar view on qadr and other matters as well. Even in shafic's you'll find quite a lot but in my life i've never known a somali scholar to hold such views, they do exist but i have never heard or met them before.

@shan-futo-le couldyou post the hadith you were referring to ? secondly how is that paganism ?
 
interesting, hanfi view, i admit i have only studied malaki fiqh and it relies even less on hadith than , hanafi.
a very large percentage of hadiths are faulty and should be rejected, because they contradict the quran.

the hadiths are not holy..

please remember this.

only the quran is, the only hadiths that have any value is those that coincidence and dovetail with quran ayat,
if they dont support the quran than they have zero value.
 
I have actually watched the video and he said absolutely nothing that the OP posted, he is either deliberately being dishonest as part of his nefarious agenda on here or his religious foundation is so lacking that the conclusions he draws are just heretical in nature.

I know Shabir Alley very well and he would never say such things, hence why I watched the whole video, even I didn't think this bakhti would be so brazen with his lies.

The 200 hadith he spoke off is the Mutwatir hadiths as per one of the Hanafi schools, the number of these types of hadiths is disputed depending on the classification and methodology each school of thought takes, some are more lax others are more strict.

Mutawatir hadith are those that have been narrated by a large number of the salaf with so many different chains of transmission with not a single discrepancy in the text, they are graded the highest for this reason, it's just one of the many hadith classifications.

The hadith could be mutawatir in both actual text as well as in the meaning, each school differs depending upon the methodology that is used (usool) on which is mutawatir and which is not, this is a very rigorous complex science not for the laymen, so I won't even entertain this topic.

This lying scumbag has took this statement of Shabir Ally with clarifications and twisted it to serve his own sinister agenda like his orientalist overlords, their age old plan has always been to attack the hadith literature/science, and if they are successful in discrediting this, it automatically discredits the Quran too because those same sources have transmitted those words to us.

That's the whole end game behind this, 2 birds, 1 stone.
I congratulate you on improving your grammar since we last had occasion to speak my lemon cake. Please pass my warm regards to your beautiful mother. I miss her tight clit.

Awoowe, let me correct you. The video in the OP is part of a series called Taking A Balanced Approach To Hadith. The whole series can be viewed by clicking on the "Hadith" playlist of that YouTube channel. When you do so, you'll discover what is only partially apparent from this video: that he regards many hadiths about apostasy, music, jinn possession, predestination, and punishments for things like plucking of eyebrows as forgeries. You claim to know Shabir Ally well (perhaps you even live with him for all we know), but there is no connection between your extreme Salafi theology and his middle of the road ijtihad.

He, along with Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, advocates secularism, human rights, and science. For instance, he defends evolution. You do not. And then you accuse sheikh Bidaar Wanagsan of misrepresenting him? Alla beerka iyo wadnaha.
 
thank you bidarwanaagsan for introducing me to shiekh atabek shukurov
what he says is mirror image of what i believe...

and he is right he syas 80% of sunnis today are hanbalis, but not exactly they are pseudo hanbalis they have been infected by psuedo hanbali theology and do not follow hanafi or shafici, i believe probably half the malakis have also been infected.

Shiekh hanbal was one of the greatest scholars and if they all followed his teachings things wouldnt be so bad,


basically he is saying that sunnis of all madhabs and aqeedas have been slowly infiltrated by the sal;afis.
 
@shan-futo-le post came from the following Anti Islamic site run by the usual orientalist liars.

https://ancientmodernislam.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/some-lies-from-hadith-books.html

He is even linking to an article titled "Hadith plagiarized from the bible"

That site reminds me of a similar piece answeringislam.com site did (the author being a former Ahmediya pagan that classes himself as an Ex Muslim).

A site which had a habit of posting clear cut lies, twisting the original Arabic text, quoting fabricated hadith as unanimously agreed upon by all our scholars but making them appear as though they were authentic hadiths coming from Bukhari.

They were routinely debunked by answeringchristianity.com, if you can't even read the classical Arabic texts, you should never take the words of the orientalist satanist liars nor the words of the pagan Munafiq's.
Adeer, take Ibn Taymiyyah's gus out of your anal cavity, wipe his semen from your handsome face, pull your pants up, and fear Allah. You have supplied no evidence that the website which @shan-futo-le took that critique from is anything but a Muslim site; you have made takfir on so many people on this forum that your opinion of who is or is not a Muslim carries the same weight as the condom I use on your beautiful mother. It has not gone unnoticed that you have not answered the critique it advances of your man made hadiths. That is proof that you can't answer it.

Shan Futo has always been frank about the fact she got that critique from Ummah forum, so it's not plagiarism. Less allegations please, and more arguments.
 
Why are you taking this guy seriously ? from what i can tell he doesn't seem to be a muslim and if you look at all the videos he has ever posted regarding anything islamic he always twists the statements to suit the agenda he's pushing which is to create doubts in the hearts & minds of those who still adhere to islam.

As a matter of fact he's actually worse than kan isku bixiyay badeeriga mulxidiinta as he pretends to be muslim while espousing believes of the former. Shabir was referring to a particular type of hadeeth as @Inquisitive_ has explained laakin shabir and most of those who follow the hanafi school of thought are either maturidi, ashari, mutzailite in creed. He has weird views when it comes to qadr/predestination is islam, i don't know if he changed views but last i remember was that he believed that Allah doesn't know the choices a person will make until the persons makes them. It's not only him but also a number of scholars, callers to islam from this school of thought that share somewhat a similar view on qadr and other matters as well. Even in shafic's you'll find quite a lot but in my life i've never known a somali scholar to hold such views, they do exist but i have never heard or met them before.

@shan-futo-le couldyou post the hadith you were referring to ? secondly how is that paganism ?
Don't speak to your father in that tone. I know I wasn't around when you were growing up, son, but that was because your mother did not like it when I forced myself on her. So she kicked me out. Maybe we can meet over coffee and bond?

So you think Shabir Ally is evil too do you? How wonderful. Only salafis like you are right I bet. Tell us more kid
 
The entire religion contradicts science. Praying "toward" the Kaaba on a spherical earth contradicts science. The tenants of the religion are premised on the belief in a flat earth.
:what1: Islam described the shape of the earth before science did.
how can it contradict it marka? Science is ever changing, don't make shit up waryaa.
 
thank you bidarwanaagsan for introducing me to shiekh atabek shukurov
what he says is mirror image of what i believe...

and he is right he syas 80% of sunnis today are hanbalis, but not exactly they are pseudo hanbalis they have been infected by psuedo hanbali theology and do not follow hanafi or shafici, i believe probably half the malakis have also been infected.

Shiekh hanbal was one of the greatest scholars and if they all followed his teachings things wouldnt be so bad,


basically he is saying that sunnis of all madhabs and aqeedas have been slowly infiltrated by the sal;afis.
You're welcome my brother from another mother. Anybody who beats up Emirati fellas must be on the straight path.

I love sheikh Atabek Shukurov. He's a great mujtahid. He tells the truth about the bogus hadith industry. His book is a must read. Most of the extremism in the world comes from worshippers of prophet Bukhari. He puts him in his right place. I liked his explanation of the way Bukhari attacked Imam Abu Hanifa. Totally unjustified.

You're right. Most of the schools of thought today have been co-opted by the Salafi fitna. Many of the masjids and Islamic centres are basically an arm of Saudi propaganda. We have to exterminate these vermin.
 
i have just ordered his book online.
Wise choice.

There's anotther good book on forged hadiths by an Islamic theologian called Israr Ahmed Khan. The book is called Authenticating Hadith: Redefining The Criteria. I posted a link to a book review by the very wise brother Muhammad Amin earlier in the thread. It's very exhaustive:

http://www.mohammedamin.com/Reviews/Authentication-of-Hadith-Redefining-the-Criteria.html

It does a good job of explaining how to spot the fake stuff in the so-called Sahih collections. It's usually the ones that go against Allah's message that There is no compulsion in religion. This verse alone invented freedom of worship, thought, and belief long before the UN Declaration of Human Rights. So all hadiths about violence and oppression are thrown out at once. The Wahabbis claim this verse is only about converting to Islam, but that's their deviant reinterpretation. The ayah says nothing about conversion. It's an absolute prohibition on all forms of religious coercion.

Some scholars are fighting back against the Salafi gang. My favorites are Shabir Ally, Khalid Abu Fadl, Eyad Jamal al-Din, Dhiyaa Musawi, and Atabek Shukurov.
 

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Saw the video and I see nothing wrong in his statements, like I said there are weak and strong hadiths, this is known.:kanyeshrug:
 
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