Arabization of Sudan

[Emir of Zayla]

How did it happen, how long was it going on for, why didn’t they venture even further south, and what was its lasting impacts for Sudan?

 

[Khaemwaset]

How did it happen, how long was it going on for, why didn’t they venture even further south, and what was its lasting impacts for Sudan?

Lots of Sudanese got grandparents who didn't speak arabic. It's just a few black asses that thought they were arabs who arabised the country.

Funny thing is that all north africans who arabised were only because of sections of their society who thought they decended from arabs and did it.
Arabs in the penisular never directly made these countries arab, except for maybe some parts like libya who had lots of migration.
All Arabisation was done by natives who were confused.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Lots of Sudanese got grandparents who didn't speak arabic. It's just a few black asses that thought they were arabs who arabised the country.

Funny thing is that all north africans who arabised were only because of sections of their society who thought they decended from arabs and did it.
Arabs in the penisular never directly made these countries arab, except for maybe some parts like libya who had lots of migration.
All Arabisation was done by natives who were confused.

That is true but that’s not really what I’m talking about. Arabization started in Sudan centuries ago when the Arab tribes starting migrating over to them. Idk why they did so and what they gained from doing so, so I’m asking.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Lots of Sudanese got grandparents who didn't speak arabic. It's just a few black asses that thought they were arabs who arabised the country.

Funny thing is that all north africans who arabised were only because of sections of their society who thought they decended from arabs and did it.
Arabs in the penisular never directly made these countries arab, except for maybe some parts like libya who had lots of migration.
All Arabisation was done by natives who were confused.

Sudan had more arab migration than any north african country except for maybe Egypt?

 

[DJ255]

Khartoum was biggest slave Trading city couple hindreds of years ago, alot people dont know this

70% of their population are descendants of Black Slaves

 

[Dualke]

Are ja'alis descendants of slaves?
@Asaana @Nilotic

 

[Step a side]

17:00 onwards explains it all

 

[Khaemwaset]

Sudan is the origins of the Cushites.
We need the re cushiticfy Sudan

 

[Step a side]

Sudan is the origins of the Cushites.
We need the re cushiticfy Sudan

Not enough man power. Cushitic speakers are langaab compared to Arabic speakers unfortunately. Sudanese rather speak Arabic. They enjoy being part of the this club called the Arab world.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

17:00 onwards explains it all

We need these types of videos on history of the Horn

 

[Khaemwaset]

Not enough man power. Cushitic speakers are langaab compared to Arabic speakers unfortunately. Sudanese rather speak Arabic. They enjoy being part of the this club called the Arab world.

A future strong somalia should be the beacon of Cushitic people.
Like turkey is the centre of the turkic nations they even have a turkic union

Somalia should back the Beja in Sudan. We can't really do anything got the Iraqw in Tanzania. The last south Cushitic tribe are in a sea of Bantu they're finished Ngl. Perhaps we'll give them some land and nation after I take east Africa.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

A future strong somalia should be the beacon of Cushitic people.
Like turkey is the centre of the turkic nations they even have a turkic union View attachment 290345

Somalia should back the Beja in Sudan. We can't really do anything got the Iraqw in Tanzania. The last south Cushitic tribe are in a sea of Bantu they're finished Ngl. Perhaps we'll give them some land and nation after I take east Africa.

We should be aiming for the great lakes

 

[Step a side]

A future strong somalia should be the beacon of Cushitic people.
Like turkey is the centre of the turkic nations they even have a turkic union View attachment 290345

Somalia should back the Beja in Sudan. We can't really do anything got the Iraqw in Tanzania. The last south Cushitic tribe are in a sea of Bantu they're finished Ngl. Perhaps we'll give them some land and nation after I take east Africa.

Mongols/Turks left a legacy by carving out many empires throughout human history. If we want to be on the same level we need to annex Ethiopia and make it Cushitic lakin Oromo might do that soon for us .

 

[Freudiantard]

How did it happen, how long was it going on for, why didn’t they venture even further south, and what was its lasting impacts for Sudan?

I believe it occurred through the 12-19th century, some bands of Arab tribes would move into eastern Sudan and mix with the Nubians and beja in that area, until the racial distinction between them faded, at that point you get a mixed population which reorganises itself into new tribes and claims a fictitious Qureyshi lineage since it was the most prestigious Arab tribe and still is in many regards.

The riverine Nubians at dongola and shendi and Khartoum came under arab influence early on, and mixing occurred, however the lineages were lost and another case of fictitious qureyshi lineage was adopted when the shaigiya and jaalin emerged from this motley of Arab, Nubian and beja mixing. The remaining Nubian tribes like the Mahas and Danagla are completely Arabic speaking and Muslim but don’t claim a Qurayshi lineage as far as I’m aware.

The Baggara are another tribe and they don’t claim a lineage from quraysh but from the juhayna, and they're thought to have emerged from a smaller Arab tribes coalescing around the leadership of the juhayna and adopting a shared lineage, all of this occurring whilst they intermarried with Nuba, fur, and bordering Nilotic groups.

and lastly you have the Rashaida which are recent arrivals and of pure arab descent. They live in the east of the country.

 

[Asaana]

How did it happen, how long was it going on for, why didn’t they venture even further south, and what was its lasting impacts for Sudan?

Since the Funj, swampy terrain and Southern hostility towards Northerners was the main reason but the British made it more difficult since they administered the Sudans separately and limited Northern influence on the South. I know that the more docile Bantu-like groups in the South often worked (or were enslaved) by Northerners in plantations near the Congolese and Ugandan border.

 

[Cush]

How did it happen, how long was it going on for, why didn’t they venture even further south, and what was its lasting impacts for Sudan?

Because they are Arabs, many Arab tribes migrated into Sudan and settled with the people having children with them

The non Arab ones are the ones from Darfour and the Cushitic ones are the Beja, and even they have Arabs among them

So they are Arab

Since the Funj, swampy terrain and Southern hostility towards Northerners was the main reason but the British made it more difficult since they administered the Sudans separately and limited Northern influence on the South. I know that the more docile Bantu-like groups in the South often worked (or were enslaved) by Northerners in plantations near the Congolese and Ugandan border.

@Nilotic

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Mongols/Turks left a legacy by carving out many empires throughout human history. If we want to be on the same level we need to annex Ethiopia and make it Cushitic lakin Oromo might do that soon for us .

Ethiopia is already a majority cushitic country

 

[Asaana]

Are ja'alis descendants of slaves?
@Asaana @Nilotic

No, some of them were slave traders though. Al-Zubayr was a prominent one

 

[Khaemwaset]

We should be aiming for the great lakes

The great lakes alone could hold a population of 200 million or more. Down to tanzania or at least Zimbabwe giving us all of east Africa from Sudan would have us at 1 billion cushites by the end of the century. Around 400 million in what we currently control by 2050 and later another 500 million in the south east Africa by the end of the century. Heck maybe even more if we have great technology.
It all depends on millitary might and willpower.
If the dream and idea is there we can pull it off, Somalia alone or with help from other horn nations. We tend to forget that everything below the Sahara is a shit hole that would get conquered in 3 days by any modern state. The industrialisation of the horn would make east Africa a cake walk.

 

[Khaemwaset]

Mongols/Turks left a legacy by carving out many empires throughout human history. If we want to be on the same level we need to annex Ethiopia and make it Cushitic lakin Oromo might do that soon for us .

The turks were chilling next to China but they went everywhere to the opposite end of the continent.
Took anatolia from the greeks and made a caliphate from the gates of Vienna in Central Europe to Eritrea in the south.
Another group of turks became the seljuks and conquered the middle east as a Iranian empire.
Another group of turks conquered India and made an empire there. Not to mention taking all of central Asia.
These nomads are mad men wallahi Cushitic Geelgires should've done the same.

Oromo are already making Ethiopia Cushitic again we just need to take our somali lands back including hararghe and we'll let the oromo take everything else.
Inshallah the Somali state in the future will support Cushitic Beja take over of Sudan and make them Cushitic again. Eritrea can do it's thing.