All the Lands Muslims conquered

Look we are Muslim brothers. Tell me the truth. How far up your anal cavity do Salafis ram their monstor cock? Its interfering with your mental faculties.

Why don't we just accept that every culture had a history of conquest and slavery from the East to the West, from North to South. Nobody is blameless.

The difference, which you keep ignoring, is that whites teach about the sordid aspects of their history in schools. Arabs and Turks rarely do. Its still a crime to acknowledge the Armenian genocide in Turkey.
Saxiib, you are jumping all over the place from subject to subject. You weren't kidding about being drop on your head I presume. And IDK why you bring up Salafis like I support those loons
 
Oh, my bad. I took you for an Arab wannabe. What's your politics?
I'm left leaning on most political things, at least in the west. But when it comes to my people and my country I'm center right. Under deen'l Islam I'm Shafi'i in jurisprudence, and I'm sufi in the spiritual part of Islam. I hate salafis almost as much as I hate gaalo, they destroyed the muslim world along with the gaalo literally.

But what I hate more than both of them are Gaalo western booty clappers, praising the bastards that destroyed your societies while insulting your own people and their rich histories is just sad and is slave like mentality.
 
I'm left leaning on most political things, at least in the west. But when it comes to my people and my country I'm center right. Under deen'l Islam I'm Shafi'i in jurisprudence, and I'm sufi in the spiritual part of Islam. I hate salafis almost as much as I hate gaalo, they destroyed the muslim world along with the gaalo literally.

But what I hate more than both of them are Gaalo western booty clappers, praising the bastards that destroyed your societies while insulting your own people and their rich histories is just sad and is slave like mentality.
You're a complex character aren't you my cherry blossom.

I'm not a leftist or rightist. Just a realist. Do you not see my avatar? Question Everything. Whether it's Western propaganda or Eastern propaganda, Left or Right, liberal or conservative, Hanafi or Shafici, Malaki or Hanbali. All human run institutions are defective.

Taking sides is for cheerleaders who spread their legs for jocks. I oppose wrongdoing by all quarters.
 
You're a complex character aren't you my cherry blossom.

I'm not a leftist or rightist. Just a realist. Do you not see my avatar? Question Everything. Whether it's Western propaganda or Eastern propaganda, Left or Right, liberal or conservative, Hanafi or Shafici, Malaki or Hanbali. All human run institutions are defective.

Taking sides is for cheerleaders who spread their legs for jocks. I oppose wrongdoing by all quarters.
You seem like you wear a fedora
And btw, not choosing a side is a side in itself
 
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Still at a loss. What does atheism have to do with fedoras?
It's a MEME bloke
You can be pro-free speech and freedom without "bootyclapping" for bastards.
yea. I'm also for Free speech and Freedom, but I don't go around praising and dismissing western atrocities that don't come close to Middle eastern Inequities. While also dismissing the fact that the Muslim world is hecktic not mainly because of their culture (which ofcoarse plays a role) but mainly because of the fact that white westerners meddled in their affairs, dismantled orders of hierarchy, and destabilized the region.

To but it simply you bash your people :The Muslims: (in the sense of lineage and history), and blame everything on them and their culture.
While also down playing the horrendous affects that happened as a direct result of white western involvement and meddling. Defending the people that caused you to be on this website in a foreign country, like their your overlords.

Wanting Freedom and Freedom of speech doesn't mean hating your kind, culture, history, societies and praising the ones that destroyed it
 

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Wanting Freedom and Freedom of speech doesn't mean hating your kind, culture, history, societies and praising the ones that destroyed it
I get to have my own opinions about things and not conform with what "my people" think or do. I'm also not obligated to agree with the west and what they have in store.

And I don't think it's healthy for a people to copy each other and do things just because they were doing them forever. I prefer testing things and only doing things that make sense. If I come across people who cross highways without checking, and when I ask "what are you doing", they respond with "it's our culture", I would hit them across the head with something.
 
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Its a dumb meme if you ask me.

What did you mean earlier by saying that you lean left in politics when you're in the West but lean centre right when in Somalia? Seems to me like you're taking advantage of liberalism when it suits you as an ethnic minority whilst desiring to crush the very same liberals back home. There's a word for that. It's called munafiq.

Aren't moral principles meant to be universal and consistent?

If liberals stand up for your human rights, you should stand up for theirs.
 
@waranlee

Its a dumb meme if you ask me.

What did you mean earlier by saying that you lean left in politics when you're in the West but lean centre right when in Somalia? Seems to me like you're taking advantage of liberalism when it suits you as an ethnic minority whilst desiring to crush the very same liberals back home. There's a word for that. It's called munafiq.

Aren't moral principles meant to be universal and consistent?

If liberals stand up for your human rights, you should stand up for theirs.
Audubillah I don't consider myself a munafiq. There is reason why I said "center right" and not far right or Right in general.
Liberalism in the economic sense, I like aspects of of democratic socialism, free Healthcare, Collage, Taxation, etc, etc. I also like aspects of capitalism but not too much free market, bc they'll rig the system in their favor. That's why you need big government in certain areas, and for enforcing laws against discrimination, (stopping businesses from turning people away bc of religion, race, disabilities, ect). Which all these things are left leaning for the most part.
But I also don't agree with everything left or "Progressive", I consider shit like "LGBTQQIP2SAA" ; which is not a computer coding but is the actual extended acronym of LGBT, and the apparent 63-76 different pronouns/genders, to be a mental disorder.

I guess you could say I'm a Classical Liberal, but there's not a real definition bc it's been hijacked by right wingers that are not happy with how idiotic conservationists in the country are so they jumped ship and tainted the image of classical liberlism and filled it with neocons, libertarians, and people that cater to alt righters.
That's why I call myself left leaning liberal bc it's the closest to the now hijacked classical liberalism
 
Audubillah I don't consider myself a munafiq. There is reason why I said "center right" and not far right or Right in general.
Liberalism in the economic sense, I like aspects of of democratic socialism, free Healthcare, Collage, Taxation, etc, etc. I also like aspects of capitalism but not too much free market, bc they'll rig the system in their favor. That's why you need big government in certain areas, and for enforcing laws against discrimination, (stopping businesses from turning people away bc of religion, race, disabilities, ect). Which all these things are left leaning for the most part.
But I also don't agree with everything left or "Progressive", I consider shit like "LGBTQQIP2SAA" ; which is not a computer coding but is the actual extended acronym of LGBT, and the apparent 63-76 different pronouns/genders, to be a mental disorder.

I guess you could say I'm a Classical Liberal, but there's not a real definition bc it's been hijacked by right wingers that are not happy with how idiotic conservationists in the country are so they jumped ship and tainted the image of classical liberlism and filled it with neocons, libertarians, and people that cater to alt righters.
That's why I call myself left leaning liberal bc it's the closest to the now hijacked classical liberalism
Lol at computer code sexuality.

Yeah, I don't care for that pseudoscience either. I'm a traditionalist in that respect. I believe in only two genders, but fucking hell man, that's no reason for persecution is it? I'm for strict separation of mosque and state. Homos can do whatever they want to do. My high school teacher was a Gaylord. He did everything he could to help me ace my exams. I'm supposed to persecute him now because of imam Shafici? To hell with Shafici. I will defend that gay bastard because he was good to his Somali students.

We have to get beyond medieval theologians. We need 21st century ones with compassion and love for the Other, to use a SJW word. We need an Imam Waranlee and an imam Bidaar Wanagsan. Screw the ancients.

Peace. Got to run
 
Lol at computer code sexuality.

Yeah, I don't care for that pseudoscience either. I'm a traditionalist in that respect. I believe in only two genders, but fucking hell man, that's no reason for persecution is it? I'm for strict separation of mosque and state. Homos can do whatever they want to do. My high school teacher was a Gaylord. He did everything he could to help me ace my exams. I'm supposed to persecute him now because of imam Shafici? To hell with Shafici. I will defend that gay bastard because he was good to his Somali students.

We have to get beyond medieval theologians. We need 21st century ones with compassion and love for the Other, to use a SJW word. We need an Imam Waranlee and an imam Bidaar Wanagsan. Screw the ancients.

Peace. Got to run
Indeed Modernism isn't bad, having only medieval believes that are outdated is also bad. Such things like racism, Public execution, oppression of woman, and etc etc. 
But I'm not Muslim and Shafi'i because of some medieval guy, but bc I believe in his theology and philosophical stand points. Much like how western philosophy values ancient believes of Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Lycurgus, Karl Marx, ec etc.

I don't think you should oppress anyone, but their are indeed limits to "expression" and "freedoms". Like you can't walk around naked no matter how much it express you or is what you want. Keep it to your self.

Being modern doesn't correlate with having vile perversions

Societies have different philosophies and ethics, valuing certain things and distancing from others. For example most western countries outlaw things like incest and sexual intercourse with animals. Even though they can both be consensual.
I view homosexuality to be a perversion along with incest and zoophilia. Doesn't matter how many times you and your mother consent, if you have sexual relations with the person that gave birth to you. You're morally corrupt, vile and perverted.

We should either normalize all consensual acts including incest, intercourse with animals, Indentured servitude, Self harm, consensual harm, letting people cut off limbs for reparation, and the list can go on for ever. Just because something is consensual doesn't mean it's not morally degenerate vile perverted obscenity
Or we should come up with a better excuse for why a sexual perversion like homosexuality is ok and normal, just because it's "consensual"isn't a good argument.

Also it is an entirely foreign concept to our societal norms and morals, so why should we conform to it.
I already said this before and I'll say it again,

Why is it only white cultured and Western nations/their puppets that are advocating for this perverted mental illness. Majority of Africans, Asians, the entire Indian subcontinent, Arabs, Persians, Central Asians and even Some Latino Nations don't support this degeneracy.

Blue = Support Homosexuality and LGBT
Gray = The rest of the world that doesn't support those degenerate perversions

So why should the rest of the entire world conform to perverted white western inclinations?
 
Indeed Modernism isn't bad, having only medieval believes that are outdated is also bad. Such things like racism, Public execution, oppression of woman, and etc etc. 
But I'm not Muslim and Shafi'i because of some medieval guy, but bc I believe in his theology and philosophical stand points. Much like how western philosophy values ancient believes of Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Lycurgus, Karl Marx, ec etc.

I don't think you should oppress anyone, but their are indeed limits to "expression" and "freedoms". Like you can't walk around naked no matter how much it express you or is what you want. Keep it to your self.

Being modern doesn't correlate with having vile perversions

Societies have different philosophies and ethics, valuing certain things and distancing from others. For example most western countries outlaw things like incest and sexual intercourse with animals. Even though they can both be consensual.
I view homosexuality to be a perversion along with incest and zoophilia. Doesn't matter how many times you and your mother consent, if you have sexual relations with the person that gave birth to you. You're morally corrupt, vile and perverted.

We should either normalize all consensual acts including incest, intercourse with animals, Indentured servitude, Self harm, consensual harm, letting people cut off limbs for reparation, and the list can go on for ever. Just because something is consensual doesn't mean it's not morally degenerate vile perverted obscenity
Or we should come up with a better excuse for why a sexual perversion like homosexuality is ok and normal, just because it's "consensual"isn't a good argument.

Also it is an entirely foreign concept to our societal norms and morals, so why should we conform to it.
I already said this before and I'll say it again,

Why is it only white cultured and Western nations/their puppets that are advocating for this perverted mental illness. Majority of Africans, Asians, the entire Indian subcontinent, Arabs, Persians, Central Asians and even Some Latino Nations don't support this degeneracy.

Blue = Support Homosexuality and LGBT
Gray = The rest of the world that doesn't support those degenerate perversions

So why should the rest of the entire world conform to perverted white western inclinations?
Allahu Akbar. You oppose public execution. That's good. But Shafici doesn't does he. He's for it. All the four imams are for it.

Remember Qowmu Lut were not white people. They were Arabs parading their lifestyle openly in front of Allah's prophets. Homosexuality was not invented by the West. It's been around forever.

Aristotle and Plato are admired philosophers, but sometimes they spoke nonsense. We don't follow their legal system. We've moved beyond them. Otherwise we'd still have slavery and feudalism. We have to move beyond the four madhabs because they too endorse slavery and despotism.

Why should Islamic law be determined by guys who thought the earth was flat and that disease was a punishment from God instead of the result of bacteria? We need a rational and scientific approach to Islam. The Saudi ulema were against the Big Bang theory, they were against the Apollo Moon Landing, and they are against evolution. All because we follow Stone Age sheikhs who've been dead for a thousand years and had never heard of subatomic particles or dark matter. How about following modern sheikhs with a PhD in science like this:

 
Western Europe were backwards compared to Persia and the Roman Empire.

The Ottoman Empire lasted for 600 years.
This might be a dumb question but if the Muslims weren't defeated in the middleages ages do you think Islam would be like the way Christianity is in the west today?
 

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This might be a dumb question but if the Muslims weren't defeated in the middleages ages do you think Islam would be like the way Christianity is in the west today?
What do you mean by "the way Christianity is in the west today?"
 

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