A Message to the Somali Youth from the Richest Man in Somalia

[cunug3aad]

For example, in the Bakaara market, there is Cabdalle Shideeye (named after one of the founders of the trade), where you could/can buy forged Somali and other passports. They also buy fake degrees there among other things.

MY adeer was talking about this market how people used to buy passports and ak47s from there back in the civil war times. I thought they stopped these forgeries now

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

MY adeer was talking about this market how people used to buy passports and ak47s from there back in the civil war times. I thought they stopped these forgeries now

Anything for that USD, it's how this game works.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

What grudges? Axmed Nuur Jimcaale? what are you talking about?
I am islamophic now? This isn't the first time a Hormuud worker, called me a kaafir so whatever lol.

BTW, few days ago you were denying the existence of the n20 currency. Well, guess what? I found a "western source" to back up my claim yaa kadaab. Here's you few days ago:

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20 Shilin / 20 Shillings, Somalia

Detailed information about the coin 20 Shilin / 20 Shillings, Somalia, with pictures and collection and swap management: mintage, descriptions, metal, weight, size, value and other numismatic data

en.numista.com

You keep accusing me of grudges/resentment but you never specify towards whom I am resentful. I am just describing real life that I have experienced... You just make up shit and post long-ass AI slop.


I will keep pointing out your misinformation and God willing everyone who is not maangaab will see you as what you are - a troll with access to ai.

She writes like a PR BOT and if you dare to disagree with her, she will insult you. Never in my life have I seen someone claim that there is no corruption in Somalia's private sector.

 

[Riftvalley]

Absurd. Religion has nothing to do with wealth. What a stupid thing to say.


Beenleyda is back.
Al barakaat was (as Hormuud is today) heavily involved in islamist activities across the country. 90% of its workforce were literal wahhabis. Yes, they gave shares - ceded, as in isbaaro - to almost every warlord/armed man. But the company was owned by select ittixaad+Mooryaan+ganacsato, ie powerful men. Annagaa dalka joognay markii la sanction gareeyay, na warayso, afka ha iska taagine.

Hormuud owns these companies - weligaaba cabaad.

This guy is the son of a rich Duduble chief - he inherited his wealth and made good deals with ittixaad/warlords - just like the jihadi/warlord Abuukar Cumar cadaan.

Waryaadaha, naagtan waxay hormuud ama Xamar ka sheegto ha aaminina. She's full of shit. Probably, some Hormuud pr worker.

Disinformationist naag

Abti stop pocket watching and get your monies up.

 

[reer]

What grudges? Axmed Nuur Jimcaale? what are you talking about?
I am islamophic now? This isn't the first time a Hormuud worker, called me a kaafir so whatever lol.

BTW, few days ago you were denying the existence of the n20 currency. Well, guess what? I found a "western source" to back up my claim yaa kadaab. Here's you few days ago:

View attachment 377846

20 Shilin / 20 Shillings, Somalia

Detailed information about the coin 20 Shilin / 20 Shillings, Somalia, with pictures and collection and swap management: mintage, descriptions, metal, weight, size, value and other numismatic data

en.numista.com

You keep accusing me of grudges/resentment but you never specify towards whom I am resentful. I am just describing real life that I have experienced... You just make up shit and post long-ass AI slop.


I will keep pointing out your misinformation and God willing everyone who is not maangaab will see you as what you are - a troll with access to ai.

@Idilinaa is good hearted but out of touch.

 

[Guure⁸]

Isn't he the same one who was arguing about bank interest being halal?

 

[Idilinaa]

What grudges? Axmed Nuur Jimcaale? what are you talking about?
I am islamophic now? This isn't the first time a Hormuud worker, called me a kaafir so whatever lol.

BTW, few days ago you were denying the existence of the n20 currency. Well, guess what? I found a "western source" to back up my claim yaa kadaab. Here's you few days ago:

View attachment 377846

20 Shilin / 20 Shillings, Somalia

Detailed information about the coin 20 Shilin / 20 Shillings, Somalia, with pictures and collection and swap management: mintage, descriptions, metal, weight, size, value and other numismatic data

en.numista.com

You keep accusing me of grudges/resentment but you never specify towards whom I am resentful. I am just describing real life that I have experienced... You just make up shit and post long-ass AI slop.


I will keep pointing out your misinformation and God willing everyone who is not maangaab will see you as what you are - a troll with access to ai.

These were notes issued by the central government:

Read closely to what it says:

"The notes were then siezed by United Somali Congress(USC) interim President ALi Mahdi Mohamed, whose Army and supporters were referred to as "Mogadishu Northern Forces" where these notes continue to circulate in the areas under their control (i.e north and around Mogadishu)

You were claiming that Somali business or religious leaders printed the notes

But your own link actually proves the opposite. The warlords hijacked and printed counterfeit versions, flooding the areas they controlled.


In fact, the business and religious communities opposed the counterfeit circulation because it destabilized trade.

After the collapse, it wasn’t “businessmen printing” that flooded the market , it was primarily warlords, militias, and even the Ethiopian war machine that pumped counterfeit notes into circulation to fund themselves.

In fact, the Somali business community and Islamic courts/religious leaders were against it. They outlawed counterfeiting and openly refused to use or legitimize those fake print runs:

Counterfeited the Somali Shilling

Warlord printing shops in Bosaso, Mogadishu, Hargeysa and Baidao are in engaged in the manufacture of false Somali currencies which is designed to fleece the hard earned money of the Somali business community. The money making shops split the profit with the warlords and with robbers of the weak...

www.hiiraan.com

In reality, the public and business community were united across clan lines against the warlords.

And today is even more different. After the U.S.-backed Ethiopian invasion, the Somali government re-established a central bank which now regulates the entire financial system , a system that’s 100% Sharia-compliant, rooted in community values and ethical banking principles. The fact that the new notes have been delayed until now shows how carefully it’s being handled. Add to that the rise of Somali business networks and fintech, and when they issue, the system will be strong enough to stabilize it.

There is no such thing as ‘rival clan businesses’ or whatever nonsense you’re spewing. Somalis freely do business with one another and cross-invest across regions, cities, and neighborhoods. Any major Somali business you look up has investments and branches spread across the country. People sell, rent, and trade with each other regardless of clan background.

Somalia is, in fact, a horizontally high-trust society, and that trust has been the foundation of Somalia’s business success.

Also , most of what I’ve shared comes from Somalis who lived it and studied it. I’m not speaking as a foreigner.

I’m not a “false patriot” just because I refuse to share your resentment or biases. If parroting slander and misrepresentation makes one a ‘true patriot,’ then that says more about you than me.

So yes, what I said remains true. You keep pushing slanderous claims out of pure animosity just because the facts don’t fit your narrative, and you think making noise online somehow gets back at people. Shaqo yeelo.


I actually study these things to have a balanced understanding of what really happened and how things work , not to twist them into conspiracy rants like you do. The reality is, your outbursts don’t affect anyone. You think Jimcaale or anyone else is reading your forum posts? Get real.


But sure, blame it on “AI” again , it’s easier than admitting you can’t form a coherent argument and keep resorting to recycled tinfoil hat conspiracies.

 

[Afar indhood]

These were notes issued by the central government:
View attachment 377876

Read closely to what it says:

"The notes were then siezed by United Somali Congress(USC) interim President ALi Mahdi Mohamed, whose Army and supporters were referred to as "Mogadishu Northern Forces" where these notes continue to circulate in the areas under their control (i.e north and around Mogadishu)

You were claiming that Somali business or religious leaders printed the notes

But your own link actually proves the opposite. The warlords hijacked and printed counterfeit versions, flooding the areas they controlled.


In fact, the business and religious communities opposed the counterfeit circulation because it destabilized trade.




So yes, what I said remains true. You keep pushing slanderous claims out of pure animosity just because the facts don’t fit your narrative, and you think making noise online somehow gets back at people. Shaqo yeelo.


I actually study these things to have a balanced understanding of what really happened and how things work , not to twist them into conspiracy rants like you do. The reality is, your outbursts don’t affect anyone. You think Jimcaale or anyone else is reading your forum posts? Get real.


But sure, blame it on “AI” again , it’s easier than admitting you can’t form a coherent argument and keep resorting to recycled tinfoil hat conspiracies.

What you said does not remain true. You claimed n20 didn't exist.

The link mentioned that the Siad Barre government printed the money but the government collapsed - so, these businessmen/warlords got hold of it after the war and continued to print it for years. This proves my point - you denied its existence at all and now you are agreeing with me only after I provided evidence, but you are not accepting being wrong - you are at the same time insisting you were right all along. Explain to me, how can you be right when you said this:

What is this ‘N20’ currency you’re on about? That’s not even accurate history.

 

[Idilinaa]

What you said does not remain true. You claimed n20 didn't exist.

The link mentioned that the Siad Barre government printed the money but the government collapsed - so, these businessmen/warlords got hold of it after the war and continued to print it for years. This proves my point - you denied its existence at all and now you are agreeing with me only after I provided evidence, but you are not accepting being wrong - you are at the same time insisting you were right all along. Explain to me, how can you be right when you said this:

What i said is that its not accurate retelling of history that you gave.

You were claiming the business/religious community printed an entirely new currency , when those were notes that the Somali government introduced right before the collapse and it was hijacked by Warlords and their militias.

If it was the business community that did this, it's use wouldn't be relegated to impoverished neighborhoods where the warlords and their militia's were confined to. Which actually shows you how they resisted and rejected their counterfeits.

 

[Afar indhood]

You were claiming the business/religious community printed an entirely new currency

I said they printed the notes - I never said they printed entirely new currency or deny that the businessman-printed currency were based on the collapsed government's notes. What's the difference between printing and re-printing if done by warlords/businessmen? There's no central government - any printing and reprinting is outside of the legal system. There were multiple printings of multiple currencies (n20, 500 shillin, 1000 shilling (the only one still remaining in circulation).
You are just playing at semantics.

And most importantly, YOU DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF THE N20 ALTOGETHER - and still you are arguing, because you can't just swallow your pride and accept being wrong for once. Coz you are a troll.

Somali government introduced right before the collapse and it was hijacked by Warlords and their militias.

The government collapsed before the money was introduced according to the link. You just found out about the n20 currency and, indha-adeeg, you're making false assertions with such confidence. I'm literally getting triggered by your xaar.

If it was the business community that did this, it's use wouldn't be relegated to impoverished neighborhoods where the warlords and their militia's were confined to.

Stop trying very hard to make a distinction between the business community and the warlord community - in 1991, when the country was in total chaos.

I am also totally not offended but rather amused by "impoverished neighborhoods" comment. I think it's a fkd dig, but, n20 wasn't confined to the impoverished neighborhoods - it was used all over the city/region. And warlord rule wasn't confined also. The entire city was under warlord rule.

Just come out and call my part of Xamar a shithole. Your defense of Hormuud makes me suspect that you might be from a certain qabiil. That's why you think I am jealous of you, Hormuud, Axmed Jimcaale Lol. Naayaa, uleys kale maa rabtaa?

 

[Idilinaa]

I said they printed the notes - I never said they printed entirely new currency or deny that the businessman-printed currency were based on the collapsed government's notes. What's the difference between printing and re-printing if done by warlords/businessmen? There's no central government - any printing and reprinting is outside of the legal system. There were multiple printings of multiple currencies (n20, 500 shillin, 1000 shilling (the only one still remaining in circulation).
You are just playing at semantics.

And most importantly, YOU DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF THE N20 ALTOGETHER - and still you are arguing, because you can't just swallow your pride and accept being wrong for once. Coz you are a troll.

The government collapsed before the money was introduced according to the link. You just found out about the n20 currency and, indha-adeeg, you're making false assertions with such confidence. I'm literally getting triggered by your xaar.

Stop trying very hard to make a distinction between the business community and the warlord community - in 1991, when the country was in total chaos.

I am also totally not offended but rather amused by "impoverished neighborhoods" comment. I think it's a fkd dig, but, n20 wasn't confined to the impoverished neighborhoods - it was used all over the city/region. And warlord rule wasn't confined also. The entire city was under warlord rule.

Just come out and call my part of Xamar a shithole. Your defense of Hormuud makes me suspect that you might be from a certain qabiil. That's why you think I am jealous of you, Hormuud, Axmed Jimcaale Lol. Naayaa, uleys kale maa rabtaa?

This is literally from the link you yourself posted:
"The notes were then siezed by United Somali Congress(USC) interim President ALi Mahdi Mohamed, whose Army and supporters were referred to as "Mogadishu Northern Forces" where these notes continue to circulate in the areas under their control (i.e north and around Mogadishu)

Your own source explicitly says the warlords/militias from USC printed and circulated the notes.

It also clearly states these notes were used in the areas under their influence which were, at the time, the most impoverished and destabilized districts.

Here’s a reporter in Mogadishu in 2006 explaining exactly how the counterfeit shilling was used to loot and bankrupt businesses:

Counterfeited the Somali Shilling

Warlord printing shops in Bosaso, Mogadishu, Hargeysa and Baidao are in engaged in the manufacture of false Somali currencies which is designed to fleece the hard earned money of the Somali business community. The money making shops split the profit with the warlords and with robbers of the weak...

www.hiiraan.com

Islmaic Courts should outlaw the use and circulation of the Somali Shillings​

By Ali Osman

Warlord printing shops in Bosaso, Mogadishu, Hargeysa and Baidao are in engaged in the manufacture of false Somali currencies which is designed to fleece the hard earned money of the Somali business community. The money making shops split the profit with the warlords and with robbers of the weak Transitional Federal Government to spread wickedness and corruption among the society. There is also wide spread rumors that Ethiopian intelligence agencies are now engaged a plan to fleece the Mogadishu business community in order to render them bankrupt. There are intelligence reports that indicate Ethiopia along with the TFG decided to punish the Somali Business Community specially the Mogadishu business men and women for their role in supporting the popular uprising which the Ethiopian supported warlords were defeated.

The Somali popular uprising and its leadership would pay a dear price if they don’t get a good handle the proliferations of Counterfeited Somali Shilling which is in high gear as I write down this article. It is unconscionable that a bunch of robbers and murderers who does no good for the public or the private sector would have unrestricted license to print money in their basement and flood the market with this false money to cause inflation and rob the hard earned money of the Somali entrepreneurs.

It was a predatory tactic used against the business class, not by them.

This is why I separate business people from warlords: they were not aligned , they were targets.

You’re the one collapsing them together because you have some long standing cuqdaad you can’t even hide. The fact that you immediately jump to hinting I’m from a particular qabiil honestly just proves that point for me.

Anyway, keep spazzing out over Hormuud, Jimcaale, or that ‘certain qabiil’ boogeyman you’ve built in your head, I’m out.

 

[Afar indhood]

Your own source explicitly says the warlords/militias from USC printed and circulated the notes.

K? When did I dispute that?

It also clearly states these notes were used in the areas under their influence which were, at the time, the most impoverished and destabilized districts.

Does the source indicate these particular areas under "usc" were the most impoverished and destabilized? Which areas were booming? Which areas were not under usc control? You have absolutely no idea what you are thinking about.

Here’s a reporter in Mogadishu in 2006 explaining exactly how the counterfeit shilling was used to loot and bankrupt businesses:

Again, same tactic - a long ass article that has nothing to do with the point we're discussing. This article was written in 2006, n20 and 2 other notes were phased out by this time. This article is talking about the 1000 shilling note which was the sole one in circulation by 2006.

It was a predatory tactic used against the business class, not by them.

This is why I separate business people from warlords: they were not aligned , they were targets.

Alright, I will excuse you for this since you have obviously not been to Xamar during these times and don't know local culture. Ganacsato=the wealthy class = warlords. Of course, the little guy, the shopkeeper, etc was the victim.

You’re the one collapsing them together because you have some long standing cuqdaad

Cuqdad is by nature held by the laangaab against the laandheere. Who can I have cuqdad towards? Tiibisho?