A good paper on land issues in Southern Somalia

[Thegoodshepherd]

This paper helps you understand what is at stake to this day. It should also give you a better understanding of why Alkabab remain strong in the fertile regions of the south. One of the best papers I have read on the subject, it has not aged much at all.

 

[Futurist]

Alshabab is a Madow, maay maay, Dir movement

Basically all the groups excluded from Southern governments

 

[Shaolin23]

This paper helps you understand what is at stake to this day. It should also give you a better understanding of why Alkabab remain strong in the fertile regions of the south. One of the best papers I have read on the subject, it has not aged much at all.

How did HG get such a foothold in Shebeelaha hoose were Biimaal unarmed back then and can you give me info on the HG banana war

 

[Ras]

The problem mainly lies with the lack of sovereignty any power in Somalia has over the wider geography.

None of the states fully control their regions just as FGS doesn't control it's states.

This country as a whole has been handed to us by the Europeans.

Before the 60's, no Somali power ever controlled more than a small region.

Even the sultaans and kingdoms of the past never controlled all of Somalia.

If you want to fix the land issue then you need to get the government to physically take control of the whole country.

Even Siad Barre didn't dare to do that and just granted local smaller powers autonomy over their regions.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

How did HG get such a foothold in Shebeelaha hoose were Biimaal unarmed back then and can you give me info on the HG banana war

The HG formed the largest contingent of the USC in Lower Shabelle. Hiraan was always Hawadle territory. Middle Shabelle and Afgooye was Abgaal. The HG got everything south of Afgooye. The HG were better supplied and armed than the Biimaal. They had access to half of the Somali Republic’s arsenal in Banadir.

@RasCanjero Somalia as a state is too large for any Somali run government. You can govern Somalia if the people acquiesce, If any sufficiently large group rebells, the central gov is in big trouble. We, as a people from a nomadic culture, are afraid of the very hierarchy necessary for a strong state.

 

[nine]

We, as a people from a nomadic culture, are afraid of the very hierarchy necessary for a strong state.

Focking Zoomaalis inaa lilaahi wa ina ilayhi rajicun

 

[Shaolin23]

The HG formed the largest contingent of the USC in Lower Shabelle. Hiraan was always Hawadle territory. Middle Shabelle and Afgooye was Abgaal. The HG got everything south of Afgooye. The HG were better supplied and armed than the Biimaal. They had access to half of the Somali Republic’s arsenal in Banadir.

@RasCanjero Somalia as a state is too large for any Somali run government. You can govern Somalia if the people acquiesce, If any sufficiently large group rebells, the central gov is in big trouble. We, as a people from a nomadic culture, are afraid of the very hierarchy necessary for a strong state.

What do you think the percentages of looted lands homes and farms in Somalia are compared to the ones still belonging to their rightful owners and what regions are most prevalent in this disgusting action In my opinion this is a major major major issue standing in front of Somalis finding peace in this life and the afterlife how do you suppose this issue will be resolved in the future

 

[hindhisle]

Very good read. Thanks for posting it.

 

[World]

Focking Zoomaalis inaa lilaahi wa ina ilayhi rajicun

The only real bum is you, not illiterate ignorants in Somalia who don’t know any better.

Mareexaan might have won the civil war. We gained grazing lands and we will continue to multiply in the towns we started to inhabit post-war and the towns where we increased our presence in. Bi ithnilLah we will become even more laandheere.

 

[nine]

The only real bum is you, not illiterate ignorants in Somalia who don’t know any better.

I put off my FKD gloves but now you provoking waryaa.
So how you wanna proceed? A FKD session or what?

 

[DR OSMAN]

What do you think the percentages of looted lands homes and farms in Somalia are compared to the ones still belonging to their rightful owners and what regions are most prevalent in this disgusting action In my opinion this is a major major major issue standing in front of Somalis finding peace in this life and the afterlife how do you suppose this issue will be resolved in the future

That's why noone gives Somalia Money in terms of loans and just promises. You loot somali property and assets, a foreigner will suspect you won't show much mercy for his assets or loans either. Your simply not trustworthy because you need to display your trustworthy among yourselves and from there move onto displaying your trustworthy to others beyond yourself. Everything starts small.

 

[Kskksks]

This paper helps you understand what is at stake to this day. It should also give you a better understanding of why Alkabab remain strong in the fertile regions of the south. One of the best papers I have read on the subject, it has not aged much at all.

Majority alkebabs are raxanweyne. Probably because they feel left out and aren't allowed major government roles like pm and presidency. This whole government is un fair

 

[Factz]

What do you think the percentages of looted lands homes and farms in Somalia are compared to the ones still belonging to their rightful owners and what regions are most prevalent in this disgusting action In my opinion this is a major major major issue standing in front of Somalis finding peace in this life and the afterlife how do you suppose this issue will be resolved in the future

Shabelle Hoose is still majority Digil (Rahanweyn) and Merca is still Bimaal majority. HG settled in Shabelle Hoose during the civil war and many of them left since the region is lawless and the most battle ground region in Somalia.

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[Kskksks]

Shabelle Hoose is still majority Digil (Rahanweyn) and Merca is still Bimaal majority. HG settled in Shabelle Hoose during the civil war and many of them left since the region is lawless and the most battle ground region in Somalia.

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Or raxanweyne. They have great history but they are no longer the warriors they used to be

 

[DRACO]

Focking Zoomaalis inaa lilaahi wa ina ilayhi rajicun

 

[DR OSMAN]

Majority alkebabs are raxanweyne. Probably because they feel left out and aren't allowed major government roles like pm and presidency. This whole government is un fair

Not true not when you check the leadership of shabab, the soldiers are brought together by leaders. Most are IRIR based with 1 or 2 Darods in there. Similar to federalism which is very heavily darod based with PL/JL strong in there with a good representation of legitimate Irir but not strong members. Secession is the weakest policy with only a few dhulbahante and few habar yonis weak named politicians and reer awdal but strong Habar awal and Habar Jeclo policy.

 

[Von]

The problem mainly lies with the lack of sovereignty any power in Somalia has over the wider geography.

None of the states fully control their regions just as FGS doesn't control it's states.

This country as a whole has been handed to us by the Europeans.

Before the 60's, no Somali power ever controlled more than a small region.

Even the sultaans and kingdoms of the past never controlled all of Somalia.

If you want to fix the land issue then you need to get the government to physically take control of the whole country.

Even Siad Barre didn't dare to do that and just granted local smaller powers autonomy over their regions.

So basically forcing the country together would be done by road/transport infrastructure to build a government presence in all areas of Somalia

 

[TheAnswer]

Let the land return to its rightful owners, the Bantu and Raxanwayn and other minority groups.

Somalia government should gently push out any Darood land grabbers but mercilessly slaughter the hutu ones

 

[Ras]

So basically forcing the country together would be done by road/transport infrastructure to build a government presence in all areas of Somalia

Pretty much. It's that simple. As long as the limited local government presence isn't tyrannical then the locals would trust it over the local warlord.

It also needs to be able to enforce any national law by being able to directly threaten the local warlord (state president).

The federal government presence in those states should be kept small and keep out of the states business unless the state government doesn't enforce national laws.

We need something akin to the national guard... 100 symbolic national guard's in every state just to let the locals see the FGS's presence in the state.

If the local warlord obstructs the guards then it'll be seen as treason and the nearby states and the national army could interfere if needed.

There's been hundred of years in development in federal political systems. If we ignore them all and keep on thinking Somalia's a unique case then we'll never develop a stable government.