A fight breaks out between xaliimos (jarerwyne) vs madoow-Mareykan

[Qeelbax]

Nationality ≠ ethnicity, Somalis living in Europe with citizenship are not European. I have never met an elderly Somali who views them as Somali. Especially considering how users on here repeat that you need a Somali father to be Somali lol.

Except that’s not an equal comparison. And stop lying about our elders.

 

[Qeelbax]

@Abbondanzieri1 why are you flexing being pure blooded? Why are y’all so antoganistic to jweyne? Pure blooded yet in cadaans man land.

 

[Abbondanzieri1]

@Abbondanzieri1 why are you flexing being pure blooded? Why are y’all so antoganistic to jweyne? Pure blooded yet in cadaans man land.

I have nothing against Jweyne people, i'm yet to even meet one infact, most Somalis would agree with what i said.

 

[Abbondanzieri1]

@Abbondanzieri1 why are you flexing being pure blooded? Why are y’all so antoganistic to jweyne? Pure blooded yet in cadaans man land.

Ontop of that, the dude earlier said they are Somali in everything apart from their abtirisi/patriline, which is a false statement as Somali Bantus have zero ethnic Somali dna/relatives in both their paternal and maternal lineages, so why did he only mention they aren't Somali via their abtirisi only?

 

[Qeelbax]

Ontop of that, the dude earlier said they are Somali in everything apart from their abtirisi/patriline, which is a false statement as Somali Bantus have zero ethnic Somali dna/relatives in both their paternal and maternal lineages, so why did he only mention they aren't Somali via their abtirisi only?

Your dumb as a rock if you think Somali Bantu don’t have somali blood, so many of them look like their RX cousins

 

[Angelina]

Your dumb as a rock if you think Somali Bantu don’t have somali blood, so many of them look like their RX cousins

They hardly do. They’ve not been in Somalia that long. Supposedly they came around the 18th century, also Southerners are notoriously racist towards them. Also, majority look nothing and I mean nothing like ethnic Somalis. They look very Bantu.

 

[Burqad]

It depends on where you’re from. If you’re from Xamar or Merca and Afgoye you’re going to say they’re Somali as well. At the end of that day, that community have been though a lot and have been mistreated heavily by the ethnic Somali community. There is no reason to take their Somalinimo away from them. Do I think they’re ethnic Somalis? No but they’re still nationally Somali and have cultural ties to Somalia.

They haven’t been that mistreated compared to a lot of people. After the conquest of the Waamo they took a jungle that most Somalis think causes malaria, during the civil war they actually would murder the refugees who marched through their lands (to be far the militias would steal their grain, just like other Agriclans) and allied with different factions.

 

[Burqad]

I have nothing against Jweyne people, i'm yet to even meet one infact, most Somalis would agree with what i said.

Then why are you talking about them? You are 100% a British Somali ignoramus

They hardly do. They’ve not been in Somalia that long. Supposedly they came around the 18th century, also Southerners are notoriously racist towards them. Also, majority look nothing and I mean nothing like ethnic Somalis. They look very Bantu.

That’s false. A lot of them have Somali in-laws, as for the 18th century claim it depends on the clans. the type to migrate abroad isn’t from the older jweyne clans, who aren’t Bantu.

I know a shiidle who’s husband died and she married an Agoonyar, so half of her children are Somali and the others are not.

 

[Arkan]

For the low iqs: they’re nationally and culturally Somali, but not ethnically Somali because they don’t have a Somali patriline.

I don't condone the hatred towards them, but when they are out of Somalia, how does the Somali nationality stick with them in America? Wouldn't they be Americans and not Somalis? Genuine questions.

And there is no common Somali culture. It differs where ever you go in Shanta Somali. Although, there are similarities.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I don't condone the hatred towards them, but when they are out of Somalia, how does their nationality stick with them in America? Wouldn't they be Americans and not Somalis? Genuine question.

I would assume that it would be not different from other ethnic groups who cling on to their (former) nationality in the diaspora, such as they Arabs. In many case do they still, and mostly, identify with Yemeni, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian etc., despite gaining a new citizenship and even amongst the generations born abroad (and some of their descendants).

 

[Burqad]

I don't condone the hatred towards them, but when they are out of Somalia, how does the Somali nationality stick with them in America? Wouldn't they be Americans and not Somalis? Genuine questions.

And there is no common Somali culture. It differs where ever you go in Shanta Somali. Although, there are similarities.

the hatred towards them is mostly online from Somalis (usually in Britain) who have never been to Somalia but are desperate to be more Somali than someone else.

 

[Arkan]

I would assume that it would be not different from other ethnic groups who cling on to their (former) nationality in the diaspora, such as they Arabs. In many case do they still, and mostly, identify with Yemeni, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian etc., despite even being abroad for a long period and over a few generations too.

Wouldn't Arabs peoples nationalities just be substitutes for their ethnic group? Arabs are an ethnic group and everyone knows them as Arabs, but since they're so large they'd rather be associated with their particular nationality. I guess they use both interchangeably, but they are Arab first and mostly identify with that.

Also, they are as classed as Arab-Americans in the states.

 

[Angelina]

Then why are you talking about them? You are 100% a British Somali ignoramus



That’s false. A lot of them have Somali in-laws, as for the 18th century claim it depends on the clans. the type to migrate abroad isn’t from the older jweyne clans, who aren’t Bantu.

Nope, it’s very looked down upon to marry them. Ask anyone real Xamari. They’re not not seen as nasab. I’m not talking from a place of ignorance. Frequently go back home, recently came back and have spoken to older family members about them. Being married to one is a taboo. Obviously, there are those that are going to choose love and marry them but to suggest it’s normal marrying into Madowweyne as an ethnic Somali from a big clan is a lie. Btw, I’m not biased towards them and find young Western Somalis infuriating when they look down on them do I agree with you on that. I love that Southern Somalia is rather diverse. We have Reer Xamaris who some are of Arab, Persian and Indian descent , we have Somali Bantus and Bajunis ect do these Cushite supremacists can do one. Xamar especially the Xamar of my parents and even more grandparents Gen was diverse.

I know a shiidle who’s husband died and she married an Agoonyar, so half of her children are Somali and the others are not.

 

[Angelina]

the hatred towards them is mostly online from Somalis (usually in Britain) who have never been to Somalia but are desperate to be more Somali than someone else.

Nope, they look down on them in Xamar when it comes to marriage and it was so much worse for them 40 years ago when my parents were young.I agree that modern day Xamaris literally treat them like any Somalis and I haven’t witnessed any outward aggression but whilst living with them (neighbors, friends ect) is normalized marriage is still seen as unthinkable.

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[Angelina]

They haven’t been that mistreated compared to a lot of people. After the conquest of the Waamo they took a jungle that most Somalis think causes malaria, during the civil war they actually would murder the refugees who marched through their lands (to be far the militias would steal their grain, just like other Agriclans) and allied with different factions.

By mistreatment I mean before the war.

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[Khaem]

Your dumb as a rock if you think Somali Bantu don’t have somali blood, so many of them look like their RX cousins

Blacks in America are 30% white that doesn't make them white Americans

If they had that much somali blood they wouldn't be distinct as jreerweweyn...

 

[GaradShabeel]

Wouldn't Arabs peoples nationalities just be substitutes for their ethnic group? Arabs are an ethnic group and everyone knows them as Arabs, but since they're so large they'd rather be associated with their particular nationality. I guess they use both interchangeably, but they are Arab first and mostly identify with that.

Also, they are as classed as Arab-Americans in the states.

You made a valid point. Arabs may not be the best example to draw parallels. But if we use Pakistanis, Afghans, South Africans, South Sudanese etc; there're some who identify with their respective ethnic groups, but most of them claim their nationality in the west.

I guess it boils down to how strong the ethnic identification is in different countries. Somalis are among the few that put a big emphasis on ethnicity with regards to our nationality. While most other African, and pretty much the rest of the world, have a stronger 'unity' around their nationality. When they then settle down abroad, they usually stick with their nationality.

 

[Khaem]

the hatred towards them is mostly online from Somalis (usually in Britain) who have never been to Somalia but are desperate to be more Somali than someone else.

They are a minority in a homogeneous society ofc they are looked down upon. Literally every society is like that why you do think somalia is different? People get killed for marriage between somali and Jreer.

 

[Naldos]

Except that’s not an equal comparison. And stop lying about our elders.

It is an equal comparison, neither are natives but still have citizenship. I have never met a single Somali elder who thinks of them as Somali lol perhaps your indhoyaar father thinks differently?

 

[Khaem]

You made a valid point. Arabs may not be the best example to draw parallels. But if we use Pakistanis, Afghans, South Africans, South Sudanese etc; there're some who identify with their respective ethnic groups, but most of them claim their nationality in the west.

I guess it boils down to how strong the ethnic identification is in different countries. Somalis are among the few that put a big emphasis on ethnicity with regards to our nationality. While most other African, and pretty much the rest of the world, have a stronger 'unity' around their nationality. When they then settle down abroad, they usually stick with their nationality.

Somalia nationality can be compared to the several European nation states and Japan.
A nation tied by ethnicity. Other african countries have hundreds of ethnic groups with no one being a big % of the population. Somalis are the overwhelming majority in somalia, the country is named after our ethnicity ffs.

Nationality is tied to ethnicity in many countries including somalia. A oromo can't walk into somalia, settle down and become somali but you can in multi ethnic nations like America where ethnicity isn't tied to nationality. Same with a foriegner in japan or other homogenous societies.

Somalia nationality is tied to somali ethnicity, there are minorities but they are just that, minorities, an exception. People like bantu who are not native to Somalia but have nationality by virtue of living in somalia. Doesn't mean they are anywhere near the same as an ethnic somali.