Ilhans dad was (temporarily) kicked out of his clan for marrying a banaderi.
A fight breaks out between xaliimos (jarerwyne) vs madoow-Mareykan
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GaradShabeel
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Yeah, I'm aware of it, but my post was in reference to recent times, the past century.
Regardless, Jweyne have mostly been riverine people, whether they worked for Somalis as 'slaves' or established their own communities post-slavery (granted, some of them still work for ethnic Somalis on farms today). Also, I wasn't specifically referring to Afgoye only. There're Shidles around Jowhar, Makanes around Beledweyne, Shabeeles in DDS etc.
Shidle weren’t slaves, they were slave owners. Mushungli are former slaves, and Tunni Torre, but Shiidle and Makkane were never enslaved.
Look even ethnic Somalis never liked to give their daughters to them. There was a famous story of a Hawiye man of old whose daughter hand was asked for by an cad cad, the father asked him his tribe and he said ‘Reer Xamar’ the father then said no and said I can’t give my daughter to a man whose origins are so obscure that he has to name himself after a city. However, in saying that marrying them wasn’t seen as shameless per say as they were of trader origins.
On the flip sides some cadcads didn’t like to give their daughters away to ethnic Faraxs as well. But in my family all of the cases of cadcad marriages are that of men marrying cadcad women.
also in the past Somalis used to rather ignorant and look down on cadcads for eating fish and believed their houses stunk. Somalis are a funny bunch.
The plight of the Gabooye is heavily disregarded.
GaradShabeel
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That's true. As for me, I don't live near Jweyne only Gabooye. So I have to speak up for beesha marginalized in our communities. Very ironic how we're talking about who are and who aren't ethnic Somalis, when they don't even get treated as our fellow ethnic Somalis
How do you know this? What book did you read. Unfortunately the older gen in my fam can’t be asked to differentiate between them.
Chaseyourdreamzz
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Many clans in south Somalia have Bantu and Cushitic members as part of the clan especially in the agricultural areas
GaradShabeel
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Yeah, I've seen it in some southern clans like Bimaal and RX
Khaem
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Wtf
I'm starting to doubt the Somaliness of southern somalis. Perhaps the issaq had a point when they started crying about cultural differences, this shit would never fly in the north.
GaradShabeel
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Wtf
I'm starting to doubt the Somaliness of southern somalis. Perhaps the issaq had a point when they started crying about cultural differences, this shit would never fly in the north.
Didn't you know that many southern clans incorporated them into their clans?
I can assure you that the Jweyne/Bantu population of Somalia, if you include the standalone clans and those part of mainstream clans probably exceeds 20% 
Khaem
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You better hope I don't fail art school warya.Didn't you know that many southern clans incorporated them into their clans?
Chaseyourdreamzz
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If a proper census gets taken of Somalia your probably right people Underestimate themDidn't you know that many southern clans incorporated them into their clans?
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He’s right Shiidle were never enslaved (in recent history atleast).But many freed slaves, mostly from Moobleen a brother clan of Abgaal, did join them after being freed.
My sub live with them in Jowhar and Mahadaay and every elder I’ve asked about this topic tells me Shiidle were never enslaved by us. As we expanded closer toward the river we came across pre existing Shiidle communities who were there first.
Over time they were been pushed to just the riverbed, and even that is shared now. But overall we treat them much better than other Somalis in all departments except marriage, which they themselves also see as taboo.
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It’s fairly common in the south. Former slaves would take up the name of the clan that previously owned them. The connection is just by name tho, and a firm divide still exists between the Somalis and Bantus in these clans who are seperated as Jileec and Jareēr. Intermarriage between the two is pretty much nonexistent even though both groups are technically part of the same clanWtf
I'm starting to doubt the Somaliness of southern somalis. Perhaps the issaq had a point when they started crying about cultural differences, this shit would never fly in the north.
Even Arabs, as weird as it might seem. There’s a whole town of bantu/Cushitic/Semitic farmers lol.
Bagadi is one of those clans. Some are Somalis, some are pure Arabs and some are pure Bantus
True. If you see a standalone jrweyne clan then by definition they cannot be former slaves, because in Somali culture former slaves take the name of the clan that used to own them.
Their are actually former slave shiidle subclans that used to belong to shiidle, but the true shiidle were never slaves
