A common statement on this forum that pisses me off to no end...

[Homerlilian]

How about you stop crying like a little kid about how "insensitive" they're being and actually try to digest the legitimate points @World and @Bahal are making about how disgustingly corrupt our society is.

If you think Somalia is more religious now, then you're inadvertently saying that the implementation of Islam creates bad societies.

crying since when tf was I crying about anything .

if you were reading my other comments you would see me telling these folks that our society is not perfect and I have acknowledged these wrong doings . You acting like I’m denying them lol .

Yet again you’re not talking to someone who just lived in the west I’m been to somali towns and cities multiple times and from what I have been witnessing no amount diaspora can convince me that those places are not religous.

scratch that been living around since a kid got sent with sibling for dhaqan celis ( sort of )

 

[Do]

crying since when tf was I crying about anything .

if you were reading my other comments you would see me telling these folks that our society is not perfect and I have acknowledged these wrong doings . You acting like I’m denying them lol .

You do something worse than deny them. You minimise them and then act like calling out the wrongdoings of people back home is akin to disrespecting the diin. You're an enabler.

This is a serious discussion about disturbing crimes under qabyaalad that cannot be brushed off casually like "every society has their mistakes and has fitna".

Yet again you’re not talking to someone who just lived in the west I’m been to somali towns and cities multiple times and from what I have been witnessing no amount diaspora can convince me that those places are not religous.

scratch that been living around since a kid got sent with sibling for dhaqan celis ( sort of )

So what if you've been home several times? So have most people on this forum, including myself.

Does living in Perth mean you understand the ins and out of the WA state government?

No, it doesn't and by that same token, living in some random tuulo for a bit doesn't grant you the licence to dismiss the cruelty back home others have to go through. Shut the f*ck up at this point before you further embarrass yourself.

 

[Homerlilian]

You do something worse than deny them. You minimise them and then act like calling out the wrongdoings of people back home is akin to disrespecting the diin. You're an enabler.

This is a serious discussion about disturbing crimes under qabyaalad that cannot be brushed off casually like "every society has their mistakes and has fitna".


So what if you've been home several times? So have most people on this forum, including myself.

Does living in Perth mean you understand the ins and out of the WA state government?

No, it doesn't and by that same token, living in some random tuulo for a bit doesn't grant you the licence to dismiss the cruelty back home others have to go through. Shut the f*ck up at this point before you further embarrass yourself.

Not even gonna waste my time on some one who was all giddy and happy when she thought I was making takfir on my people so you respectfully F off . I got my opinions yall got yours I’m thankfull I haven’t come across this sort of rhetoric in real life .

 

[Do]

Not even gonna waste my time on some one who was all giddy and happy when she thought I was making takfir on my people so you respectfully F off . I got my opinions yall got yours I’m thankfull I haven’t come across this sort of rhetoric in real life .

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Oh no, you're illiterate on top of being embarrassingly irrational.

Read that thread again (slowly this time) and you'll see I never said nor alluded to me wanting the entirety of Somali people to receive takfir.

 

[Homerlilian]

don't disagree, just feel like got cheated out of a good gabyaalad slander thread.

What tf does this mean than kulaha and you were the same person talking about how you lost me second paragraph me calling out a person making takfir made me lose you . Respectfully piss off

 

[Do]

don't disagree, just feel like got cheated out of a good gabyaalad slander thread.

What tf does this mean than

It means I was hoping for the thread to be about how evil qabyaalad is (the slander part of the equation), not that I wanted all Somalis to literally be on the receiving end of slanderous lies.

 

[Homerlilian]

It means I was hoping for the thread to be about how evil qabyaalad is (the slander part of the equation), not that I wanted all Somalis to literally be on the receiving end of slanderous lies.

Yet again this conversation is getting no where so I’m not going to continue this further . But I will end it with this nothing in that first paragraph was not talking about the dangers of tribalism . That person was literally making takfir

 

[Do]

Yet again this conversation is getting no where so I’m not going to continue this further . But I will end it with this nothing in that first paragraph was talking about the dangers of tribalism . That person was literally making takfir

The conversation's not going anywhere because you're too thick-headed to allow it to progress.

So goodbye.

 

[Homerlilian]

The conversation's not going anywhere because you're too thick-headed to allow it to progress.

So goodbye.

No young lady I got a life outside of this forum. Already wasted my time time. Going back and forth last night

 

[Do]

No young lady I got a life outside of this forum. Already wasted my time time. Going back and forth last night

 

[Basra]

"alHAMDulLIlaH FoR The sOmAli cIVil wAR Back in '91, wiTHOUT it, WE WOuldn'T HavE rETurNED To ALLAh (sWT) SiNCe OuR GrandpAREnts were dEEp In THAT jaAHil LiFestYle bEfOrE"

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Women in Mogadishu in 1970 pre-war

Bro, heaps of people died? The f*ck are you on?



More to the point, how do you know there wouldn't have been an Islamic revival in our nation in an alternate timeline, had the war not occurred? To make myself clear, I'm not talking about people who see our return to Allah (SWT) as a silver lining of the tragedy, I mean actual idiots who offhandedly brush off the innumerable deaths back then just to give themselves a pat on the back for how on diin they are now.

Especially all of the evil shit that goes on back home with regards to qabyaalad, can we accurately label that as a return to Allah (SWT)

They look like America in 1950s. Yep we missed a gaalo bullet

 

[Nass010]

"alHAMDulLIlaH FoR The sOmAli cIVil wAR Back in '91, wiTHOUT it, WE WOuldn'T HavE rETurNED To ALLAh (sWT) SiNCe OuR GrandpAREnts were dEEp In THAT jaAHil LiFestYle bEfOrE"

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Women in Mogadishu in 1970 pre-war

Bro, heaps of people died? The f*ck are you on?



More to the point, how do you know there wouldn't have been an Islamic revival in our nation in an alternate timeline, had the war not occurred? To make myself clear, I'm not talking about people who see our return to Allah (SWT) as a silver lining of the tragedy, I mean actual idiots who offhandedly brush off the innumerable deaths back then just to give themselves a pat on the back for how on diin they are now.

Especially all of the evil shit that goes on back home with regards to qabyaalad, can we accurately label that as a return to Allah (SWT)

Its such a stupid take, because how many scholars died during the war.

 

[Nass010]

No doubt the civil Brought bad amongst our people but since when was :

. Hijab as prevalent as it is now
. Quran read as much as now
. Mosques as packed as it was before
. Secularism literally is not tolerated
. We all follow the same aqeedah
. Somalis are the only people I can figure out where they tie there nationality to the deen
( not supporting by the way )
.shariah has not been advocated as much as now

This could have easily been done without a full scale war having to happen. Most of us live in lands of kuffar and how many lost their lives here, are in jail or went astray. Stop justifying.

 

[Homerlilian]

This could have easily been done without a full scale war having to happen. Most of us live in lands of kuffar and how many lost their lives here, are in jail or went astray. Stop justifying.

wallahi i Agree no where did I justify the war. Do you think I’m happy about my people being scattered around the world my own mother and father suffered because of the war why would I celebrate it

 

[The Oponian Guild]

How about you stop crying like a little kid about how "insensitive" they're being and actually try to digest the legitimate points @World and @Bahal are making about how disgustingly corrupt our society is.

If you think Somalia is more religious now, then you're inadvertently saying that the implementation of Islam creates bad societies.

What drivel, how do you come to a position like that, learn to separate the political machinations of a few bumpkins from the wider society.

 

[Angelina]

I hate people like @World with a passion cause they love to generalise sadly this is the problem with all people not just Somalis . They’re the type to group 20 million plus people with their world view which half of the time isn’t accurate.


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30 million people plus are fake religious. Really bro fear Allah you bila adeeb

A society in which your own neighbors will steal your house and land and it’s so normal
It’s like a regular Tuesday is one with severe issues. A society in which the blood of people is cheap is one with severe issues. A society when which you can’t trust people to not scam you is one with severe issues. There is a lack of honesty that you find back home and clearly for a good % the recitation of the Quran doesn’t go past their throats. When @World is talking about Somalis lack of real religiousness he isn’t talking about every individual, of course their are millions who have become incredibly religious but he is looking at the society holistically. Somali society is a low trust society, in which the blood of people is cheap, corruption is rife and morals are low. That’s not a marker of being a true religious society just because people don hijab, read Quran ect.

Again, I’m well aware many are religious MashaAllah.

 

[Angelina]

What drivel, how do you come to a position like that, learn to separate the political machinations of a few bumpkins from the wider society.

It isn’t the political machinations of a few. It’s a society wide issue and it shows you haven’t been back. I’ll give you an example. A marker of a moral society is one of Amaanah, but this so what we’re dealinf

1. If I go back, I can’t trust that the land I buy hasn’t been sold already, if I buy the land, and want to build, I can’t trust that the materials I buy to build the house won’t be sold and switched with cheaper material, once I buy it, I can’t trust that even some of my cousins won’t try and claim it after I built it. If my land is stolen, I can’t trust that I’ll get it back since the criminal might have more social and tribal backing.

2. If someone was to spill the blood of my family member, I can’t trust that society as a whole would support my endeavors to put the criminal behind bars, in fact if he is a lot of connections via qabil, I might find that he’d be walking freely and there is nothing I can do.


Everything I’ve outlined is the norm back home and one must be super vigilant. I can go into detail about how low trust Somali society is at the moment, but I’m afraid it will take a long time. Unfortunately, during my time there it was evident that cheating each other is like a regular Tuesday and sometimes even your own relatives will be the first to try and con you. This isn’t a religious society. It simply isn’t. But we will get there InshaAllah, there are still many good people.

The issue starts from the bottom and simply blaming those at the top is laughable as if that was the only issue, we would have been able to oust them and find suitable candidates but our society at the moment is filled with rotten people. Again that’s not to say we don’t have a lot of good and religious people. I’m talking about societal issues as a whole rather than individuals.

 

[Do]

What drivel, how do you come to a position like that, learn to separate the political machinations of a few bumpkins from the wider society.

Do you have any intentions of actually contributing to the discussion besides desperately looking for ways to sass me and knock me down a peg?

First you rush in to "refute" me on a point I already refuted in the initial post, and now instead of quietly holding your L, you're feigning ignorance on how the political machinations of these "bumpkins" (actually high-ranking politicians and clan elders, way to downplay it) are poisoning the well for everyone back home.

Please stop and think about the difference between assessing individuals and the collective.

 

[نور]

According to my parents and most people from the older generations that I've met, Somalis are more religious and know the deen more now than in the past. The percentage of people who pray and fast has massively increased over the years to the point that it's shocking now to see someone who is not fasting in a Somali town. As for the killings plunder of properties and the other bad stuff happening in our country right now, it has more to do with the absence of the rule of law than it has to do with Somalis becoming less religious or less moral. These things were there even before the collapse of the central government in 1991 but were mitigated by the government.


I agree with the other posters that there was an Islamic revival going on in the Muslim world during the 1980s and Somalis would've become religious anyway, even without the collapse of the government but there is no doubt that the Taghut government of Siad would've done everything in it's hand to prevent the spread of Islamic orthodoxy in our country

 

[نور]

The kids a bumbling fool . Literally a trip to Somalia would make this idiots argument poof into thin air .

@World is a clown who changes his opinions based on his mood in the day like a girl in her periods. I honestly don’t know why anyone would take him seriously, his childish opinions should be discarded