Ahmedahmed5000
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Pro taliban 5pillars will constantly criticise women but won't hold men accountable for anything.
5pillars criticise muslim women for watching barbie
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Pro taliban 5pillars will constantly criticise women but won't hold men accountable for anything.
Khaem
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Some women get so defensive when you try tell them something about islam that they don't like.
"Why don't you tell the men also"
"Why is it always meee"
sounding like kids getting lectured by aabo
I think you’ll find that in recent history there has been a surplus of books and sermons about what women are meant to do and not meant to do. Go to any Islamic bookstore and you’ll find dozens of books called the ideal Muslima, Muslim women and marriage, the ideal wife. I’ve hardly seen books about being the ideal husband. We’re also told we will be the majority in hell. Million of books on hijab and very rarely do you find books and lectures that are specific to men. We’re also told that we’ll be in the majority in hell, that we are fitnah and many young men use that against women without looking at the Islamic commentary surrounding it.
Its true that the constant complaints of Muslim women has made Islamic speakers and scholars become a lot more conscious and have now created sermons specifically addressing men. A lot of women are stuck in the past and aren’t noticing that many Islamic speakers are making an effort to look at both sides.
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Khaem
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Tbh I can't be asked to even glance at those type of books. Useless things, you are better off just reading the Quran and some commentaries. Everything else about what you need to do you will find in real life experience. Books cannot teach you how to be a wife or a husband. A father or mother can.
But perhaps I'm an exception? I don't get involved or watch these Islamic speakers. Every question I have I just research on the Quran. I see Islam as a private matter if that makes sense? I feel a bit weird or perhaps nervous asking questions face to face or talking about something that might be obvious to the average muslim.
Odious Delirium
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Most things by default address men. Most gathering are mainly only attended by men. And most books address men.
Most books addressing women have come about because women have requested more info on women specific things and topics and with soical media there has been more reach to women which has lead to more women being addressed then before social media. Women began crying about it and felt targeted so they just stopped addressing them as much since its just leads to fitna. Nearly all Islamic scholars only talk on women when women request it. The lack of context and it being posted online without that context and people's algorithms is what makes people think they are being targeted.
I'm not a woman so I don't really see any of what you stated but that's the whole point your algorithms put that all info related to that infront of you while we see what is tailored towards us.
Plus many of these books you speak of are requested men don't really ask for books to be written on how the can be the ideal husband, women actually ask for that or did I don't know about now tho. It's the younger gen women that kicked up a fuss and made this into a man vs woman thing.
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Nope, it addresses men and women. There is hardly anything that specifically addresses men. The key word is specific here. General lectures are for both men and women. Examples please? Things like Iman, charity, aqeedah and the like doesn’t just address men so I don’t know what you’re talking about. Things addressing men would be male awrah, not wearing gold and silk, men’s haircut, men having to provide. Are there dozens of books only on things that specifically pertains to men? You’re missing the point and are trying to conflate issues here.
To claim that most general books address men about general aspects of Islam is indeed mocking it lol. Just because an Islamic speaker has like an audience of mostly men in the male section of the masjid doesn’t meant the topic at hand pertains only men
We are taking about the topics here. Very rarely are topics about specific male issues.
A lot of those books I’m talking about were written in the 80s. What proof do you have that women requested it? Also why wouldn’t men be interested in being ideal husbands? Are women just a lot more nicer and eager to please? Doubt it. Great compliment though.
I feel like you’re making up things as you go along. First point is very false as most lectures are very much for the whole Ummah. I’ve seen dozens of lectures called Muslim women in Islam, but hardly one that says Muslim men in Islam or the expectations of being a Muslim husband. Let’s be real.
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Barbie movie hates men
We are getting closer to akhiro most people ain't serious about the deen it will get worse as more time passes reminds me of this hadith.
Anas bin Malik narrated that the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said:
"There shall come upon the people a time in which the one who is patient upon his religion will be like the one holding onto a burning ember."
Anas bin Malik narrated that the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said:
"There shall come upon the people a time in which the one who is patient upon his religion will be like the one holding onto a burning ember."
Odious Delirium
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most lectures in the masjid arent held for both men and women tho and neither are they all recorded. They only address both when women are in attendance or if its being recorded.
The average lectures are the ones that only address male audiences.
that should have been easy to understand but I'll explain it all if I have to get the point across. Most of these will in general address men or general issues.
Most men ask there questions directly in these lectures or are addressed/ reprimanded in them etc.
If you buy one of these book that address women and the author isn't a woman 9/10 if you read the foreward the author states that he got a question from a man that the womenfolk asked about or if he teaches women or has lectured women they asked questions but because women In general aren't as present in those spaces. to reach more people with that advice or because women requested it they would write books on it. I know a few scholars who wrote books in the 80/90s ect for women who requested them and were unable to attend the masjid its mainly during those days that most of these books where written and in those contexts hence why I said there was a lack of context and a completely different gen of women feel targeted for that reason.
Women where just more nicer like you stated and just more people pleasing in general. now not so much hence the crying.
Now since soical media and in general more easier access to recording and broadcasting most shifted to just answering and posting or addressing the women like the men normally are addressed via video instead of writing as many books on those topics. Most of those books are like you stated from the 70-early 2000s.
As for your point on men there are many lectures on how men should be but it's not gonna pop up on your algorithms for the most part because your not a man/you are unable to attend those men only lectures.
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I’ve added more to my paragraph. Re-read if and I addressed your first point in detail.
Odious Delirium
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I addressed that. Most lectures aren't even done with women present and neither are they recorded. This setting for the most part is the default and in general in this setting just like you see lectures targeting women today via soical media men are generally targeted in those lectures in the same way if not more harshly and more frequently.
You wouldn't know this because you have never attended one but all the other guys in here who do go to the masjid for hallaqahs can vouch for what I have stated.
It's mainly general for the whole Ummah when both men and women are being addressed or when general things like you listed are being taught or someone asks a question on them.
When I stated most books address men I meant it. Most books will of course talk about general things but there will always be parts addressing men. Most new books on women are a thing because in most books the women's section lacks detail or is missed entirely so books where written to address them
You don’t seem to understand. Whilst most lectures have more male attendances and are usually in the male sections the topic aren’t specific. Example, an Islamic speaker might be talking about charity but with a male audience and talking to the men there but the topic itself is general. With women it’s usually targeted towards women in terms of content. Women being majority in hell, women being ideal wives ect. Even when those about topics are broadcasted online, there are usually more men in attendance anyway because the Islamic speaker usually conducts the speech in the male section of the masjid or hall so your point is moot!
I’ve seen enough Islamic talks being recorded and whilst the Islamic speaker is mostly addressing a male audience the content isn’t about something that only concerns men or what they have to do. Have you ever seen women complaining about a Islamic speaker addressing women about charity in a female dominated gathering? No, it’s usually gender based points that cause controversy.
That’s why when those talks with a large male audience are uploaded, it’s posted as general reminders for the Ummah at larger as the points and contents is general to both genders.
most books don’t lack details when it comes to women. Topics such as periods alone are very deep and long. Books about women’s specifics have been written sense the early Middle Ages. I don’t know what you’re talking about there. But with regards to the ideal Muslim husband? Actual Islamic lectures addressing men specifically about the rights of women?! Hardly! Also, the ones that are out there are very recent.
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Odious Delirium
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I addressed this go back to my previous comments
It doesn't matter how many lectures you have seen by default because your a woman you have only had access to ones where women where in attendance or it was recorded. I stated that all lectures that had women in attendance or where recorded where all made to address the ummah generally or to address women.
When there is exclusively a male audience and no recording which is literally 70% of the time men specifically are addressed in the same way women specifically are addressed in lectures. General topics addressing the ummah are ofcourse taught and addressed but that where men are mainly lectured to about male issues was my point in these lectures but you wouldn't know because you don't have access to those lectures.
In these settings topics are generally more specific and in more exclusive settings like amongst scholars and students of ilm topics also become specific and topic futher split between what's told in the presence of awam and what's told in the presence of tulab al ilm.
I was specifically referring to your point on the rights of women not on the biology of women but on your question of how women should be etc. Most women in the west don't have access to classical books most people didn't in the 80s. Pdfs and videos didn't exist. It seems you being obtuse for no reason. Most of these books in general where not assessable to anyone. Lectures would be done to explain in the first place to bridge the gap in language and understanding. Women didn't have the same assesses to the scholars and there lectures so books written specifically on those topics where the solutions to that issue now with soical media it's been bridged.
As for lectures about the rights of women I have sat through quite a few myself. It's not that general but more specific like the rights of your mother/wife/daughter/sister etc over you and your duty as a man to those around you.
I'm sure the Barbie movie is terrible but honestly movies in general are bad. Just stop watching movies. Cut out movies, video games... maybe that sounds extreme if you're into those things but honestly you're better off without them.
There is a lot you can do with an hour and a half of time. Video games are bad but even a video game isn't necessarily played for that long.
There is a lot you can do with an hour and a half of time. Video games are bad but even a video game isn't necessarily played for that long.
Of course you are in this thread not to defend Islam against OP who has an issue with Islam/Muslims but to rant about your feminism.
The reason there is a lot of content preaching against feminism/liberalism/Qawm Lut is because these are major issues of the time. Feminism/liberalism is a powerful force in the world at this time and has affected some Muslim women. You are a great example of it as you only ever mention Islam as a tool in your feminist rants.
Governments target Muslim women specifically in an effort to distort/destroy Islam.
Speakers/Scholars should increase their warning against feminism, it benefits the believers. You are casually mentioning a hadith as an insult when you should indeed take it as a warning.
It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that women will form the majority of the people of Hell. It was narrated from ‘Imran ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim, 2737)
You’re a liar and Allah is our witness. Show me one post in which I defend haram. If saying that men should help women or commenting on social issues that impact the women is feminism then you’re the biggest liar. Feminism is calling for rights that women don’t have. Have I ever said women shouldn’t obey their husbands? Woman should not wear hijab? So I’m a feminist when I make posts against Tate? Or argue that Zina is just as haram for men? When I engage in gender wars here those are the general themes I talk about. Or saying that you should call a Muslima ***** for marrying an ajnabi Muslim? Now that is feminism for you? The reality is that in my two years here you’ll never find a post in which I call for haram. But you’ll cheerlead for DH who says that men shouldn’t get married because of the state of Muslim women. Who the hell does he think he is?
You’re a disgusting man and it’s clear that any woman that comments on behaviors against women is feminism for you as you’re a DH supporter.
Are you okay? My point had nothing to with feminism or the Barbie movie. I even said:Governments target Muslim women specifically in an effort to distort/destroy Islam.
Speakers/Scholars should increase their warning against feminism, it benefits the believers. You are casually mentioning a hadith as an insult when you should indeed take it as a warning.
It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that women will form the majority of the people of Hell. It was narrated from ‘Imran ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim, 2737)
A lot of women are stuck in the past and aren’t noticing that many Islamic speakers are making an effort to look at both sides
Anyways, I can’t take you seriously. Young man go away you Daniel H troll. I can never take people who follow deviants like him seriously. The Umrah are waking up to how messy here is and here you are troll who harrasses this forum with his articles.
Bye, there is not point replying as I won’t reply and my overall point had nothing to with feminism. You’re unhinged man.
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I am just pointing out to the readers how you only use Islam as a tool in your feminist rants.
Readers can notice you only show up in threads to rant about feminism, even a thread by an anti-Muslim/Islam troll, you only show up to agree with him. Readers should realize she is never in any thread about Islam/Muslim, just her true code and deeply held belief, western feminism.
You will often find angelina agreeing with atheists and anti-Islam posters on here to promote her feminism.
Bringing up Daniel, who is one of the most popular Muslim on the internet and exposed the liberal american "imams" is not relevant. Nor your pretending I am a man and not a woman, you bring it up more then I ever have. I am indeed a Muslim women and will always be here to call out your feminism and promote Islam when your promote feminism InshaAllah.
The ummah is waking up to the evils of feminism and liberalism and their war on Islam and you seem to be mad about it.
