24 men involved in the r*pe of two young sisters in Lascanood, Sool, Somalia.

[Idilinaa]

Sorry but I have to disagree, Somali police during kacaan were mass rapists, so many stories of women in their custody raped, theres many old newspapers you can find with such cases

I don't agree it was normal or common tho

Civil servants just like civilians are capable of committing crimes, including rape. That’s not unique to Somalia, nor does it make it a state-sponsored or systematic issue.

Here are just a few recent examples from the UK alone:

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/police-officer-sentenced-duty-sexual-offences

West Yorkshire Police officer guilty of raping woman

Benjamin Bottomley, of Halifax, committed the offence before he joined West Yorkshire Police.

www.bbc.com

https://www.surrey.police.uk/news/surrey/news/2025/Metropolitan-Police-officer-charged-with-sexual-offences/

Dozens of police officers convicted of crimes including rape and sexual assault since Sarah Everard's murder

Three years on from Sarah Everard's murder, Sky News investigates how many police officers have been convicted of crimes in the three years since.

news.sky.com

You can search this kind of misconduct for almost any country. But does that mean we label UK police as “mass rapists” or claim the British state is systematically enabling rape? No because that would be an exaggerated and unfair generalization.

The same principle applies to Somalia. Individual cases of abuse do not automatically equate to a state policy or institutional endorsement.

 

[Zak12]

@Idilinaa I agree with everything you said about the prevalence of sexual violence in Somalia but what are your thoughts on FGM? It is still a major abuse happening even if its not unique to Somalia.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Sorry but I have to disagree, Somali police during kacaan were mass rapists, so many stories of women in their custody raped, theres many old newspapers you can find with such cases

I don't agree it was normal or common tho, imo rape was only common during warlords era

I can't see who you are responding to, but this is absolutely true. I assume a Kacaanist is trying to cover this up, as they always do. Whenever you mention anything that regime did, they run in to pretend it wasn't true.

The Kacaan regime used rape as punishment and humiliation. For example, when they were ethnically cleansing Majeerteen people, red berets were ordered to rape the girls, which forced the MJs in Mudug to hide their girls among another clan/ally at the time. This is well-known.

This is an excerpt from Abdulahi Yusuf AUN's book. General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) came to Gaalkacyo and said 'their property ....AND WOMEN and sharaftooda are Xalaal to you"... kicking off a wave of ethnic cleansing and rape.

Pictured below; Ahmed Saleebaan Dafle, General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) during the Siyad Barre era. The leader of the Majeerteen ethnic cleansing campaign.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

I can't see who you are responding to, but this is absolutely true. I assume a Kacaanist is trying to cover this up, as they always do. Whenever you mention anything that regime did, they run in to pretend it wasn't true.

The Kacaan regime used rape as punishment and humiliation. For example, when they were ethnically cleansing Majeerteen people, red berets were ordered to rape the girls, which forced the MJs in Mudug to hide their girls among another clan/ally at the time. This is well-known.

This is an excerpt from Abdulahi Yusuf AUN's book. General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) came to Gaalkacyo and said 'their property ....AND WOMEN and sharaftooda are Xalaal to you"... kicking off a wave of ethnic cleansing and rape.



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Pictured below; Ahmed Saleebaan Dafle, General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) during the Siyad Barre era. The leader of the Majeerteen ethnic cleansing campaign.


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This is not suprising, Siyad was an alcoholic, denied the Quran & set scholars on fire (literally) when they opposed him

 

[Barkhadle1520]

I can't see who you are responding to, but this is absolutely true. I assume a Kacaanist is trying to cover this up, as they always do. Whenever you mention anything that regime did, they run in to pretend it wasn't true.

The Kacaan regime used rape as punishment and humiliation. For example, when they were ethnically cleansing Majeerteen people, red berets were ordered to rape the girls, which forced the MJs in Mudug to hide their girls among another clan/ally at the time. This is well-known.

This is an excerpt from Abdulahi Yusuf AUN's book. General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) came to Gaalkacyo and said 'their property ....AND WOMEN and sharaftooda are Xalaal to you"... kicking off a wave of ethnic cleansing and rape.



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Pictured below; Ahmed Saleebaan Dafle, General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) during the Siyad Barre era. The leader of the Majeerteen ethnic cleansing campaign.


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WAIT A MINUTE DID YOU JUST SAY ABDULLAHI YUSUF AUN ?????????????? AUN ?????????????????????????

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

WAIT A MINUTE DID YOU JUST SAY ABDULLAHI YUSUF AUN ?????????????? AUN ?????????????????????????

I sure did. At least he was never caught raping or ordering his troops to rape women.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

I can't see who you are responding to, but this is absolutely true. I assume a Kacaanist is trying to cover this up, as they always do. Whenever you mention anything that regime did, they run in to pretend it wasn't true.

The Kacaan regime used rape as punishment and humiliation. For example, when they were ethnically cleansing Majeerteen people, red berets were ordered to rape the girls, which forced the MJs in Mudug to hide their girls among another clan/ally at the time. This is well-known.

This is an excerpt from Abdulahi Yusuf AUN's book. General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) came to Gaalkacyo and said 'their property ....AND WOMEN and sharaftooda are Xalaal to you"... kicking off a wave of ethnic cleansing and rape.



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Pictured below; Ahmed Saleebaan Dafle, General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) during the Siyad Barre era. The leader of the Majeerteen ethnic cleansing campaign.


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Wait how could they have Xasuqed Mj ? I thought the guy who leveled Hargeisa was Mj

 

[Barkhadle1520]

I sure did. At least he was never caught raping or ordering his troops to rape women.

I've seen it all on this website wlhi

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Wait how could they have Xasuqed Marehan ? I thought the guy who leveled Hargeisa was Mj

Xasuuqed MJ you mean.

LOL

Are you kidding me? You do realise that SYL was founded and funded by patriotic MJs, and they united with other Somalis to create a united Somali party? Siad Barre's regime carried out a coup, to get rid of SYL. In addition, Kacaanists routinely accuse SYL of being very 'corrupt' when they try to defend his illegal coup. He also targeted MJs very heavily, which is why many left the country, and SSDF was founded. Moreoever, MJs were the FIRST clan to be ethnically cleansed by his regime.


Morgan aka Siad Barre's nephew? The only MJ thing about him, was his abtiris.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

This is not suprising, Siyad was an alcoholic, denied the Quran & set scholars on fire (literally) when they opposed him

Not just that. He was featured on a Netflix documentary about a powerful Christian Political Group. He allegedly told them he would worship Jesus in exchange for weapons.

Netflix Documentary on a Mysterious and Powerful Christian Group that funded Siad Barre

It’s not about faith. It’s about power. The Family explores the history of a quietly powerful religious organization with strong ties to US politics. Siad Barre was a member of this Christian Fundamentalist Group and "prayed to Jesus" in exchange for weapons to fight Somalis . Very...

www.somalispot.com

JEFF SHARLET: Indeed. And Grassley has been involved with the organization for quite some time, since the ’80s, when he traveled to Somalia to join Barre, Siad Barre, in prayer to Jesus. And he brought with him a defense contractor named Bill Brehm.

And Barre was a kind of a cynical character, as you might expect for a dictator. He was very clear. He says, “I’m willing to pray to Jesus, and here’s what I want in return.” He says, “I want my defense budget doubled.” He says, “I want meetings for my officials with the Reagan White House. And I want a sort of a hands-off policy while I crack down on some rebels.” Doug Coe, the leader of the group, wrote back, in essence, “Done, done and done.”

And when we look at history, so it was. And Barre used those weapons, supplied to him in part by the US, to wage a war of almost biblical proportion on his own people, from which Somalia has not recovered to this day. The Family doesn’t consider that a failure; they consider that God’s will for Somalia.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Xasuuqed MJ you mean.

LOL

Are you kidding me? You do realise that SYL was founded and funded by patriotic MJs, and they united with other Somalis to create a united Somali party? Siad Barre's regime carried out a coup, to get rid of SYL. In addition, Kacaanists routinely accuse SYL of being very 'corrupt' when they try to defend his illegal coup. He also targeted MJs very heavily, which is why many left the country, and SSDF was founded. Moreoever, MJs were the FIRST clan to be ethnically cleansed by his regime.


Morgan aka Siad Barre's nephew? The only MJ thing about him, was his abtiris.

yes majerteen my bad typo

I didn't know this, I've seen a video of some town that was leveled in Puntland by them but other than that I thought since Morgan was Mj he was chill with Mj

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Not just that. He was featured on a Netflix documentary about a powerful Christian Political Group. He allegedly told them he would worship Jesus in exchange for weapons.

Netflix Documentary on a Mysterious and Powerful Christian Group that funded Siad Barre

It’s not about faith. It’s about power. The Family explores the history of a quietly powerful religious organization with strong ties to US politics. Siad Barre was a member of this Christian Fundamentalist Group and "prayed to Jesus" in exchange for weapons to fight Somalis . Very...

www.somalispot.com

Siad is wasted potential, what a retard

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

yes majerteen my bad typo

I didn't know this, I've seen a video of some town that was leveled in Puntland by them but other than that I thought since Morgan was Mj he was chill with Mj

That's not how it worked. First of all, you have to realise the Government is always the largest employer in any country. All clans worked for the regime, including your Isaaq clan. In addition, if we discuss who was directly involved in the MJ ethnic cleansing, there were quite a few Isaaq military officers, e,g, Tanzania and a few whose names escape me now.

Even if people disagreed with his actions, they still needed to pay bills. And of course the Government was not just the military. So, not everyone who worked for the government was taking part in crimes.

The men who run your government in Hargeisa now, worked for his regime, such as Faysal Waraabe etc.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Not just that. He was featured on a Netflix documentary about a powerful Christian Political Group. He allegedly told them he would worship Jesus in exchange for weapons.

Netflix Documentary on a Mysterious and Powerful Christian Group that funded Siad Barre

It’s not about faith. It’s about power. The Family explores the history of a quietly powerful religious organization with strong ties to US politics. Siad Barre was a member of this Christian Fundamentalist Group and "prayed to Jesus" in exchange for weapons to fight Somalis . Very...

www.somalispot.com

That seems like fake news conspiracy theories theres pics of siad barre going to hajj I’m sure you can find it on the internet

 

[Barkhadle1520]

That's not how it worked. First of all, you have to realise the Government is always the largest employer in any country. All clans worked for the regime, including your Isaaq clan, he was wiping out MJs, as was everyone else.

Even if people disagreed with his actions, they still needed to pay bills. And of course the Government was not just the military. So, not everyone who worked for the government was taking part in crimes.

Even the men who run your government in Hargeisa now, worked for his regime, such as Faysal Waraabe etc.

How bad was what they did in Puntland ? Anywhere as bad as Hargeisa ?

 

[livinlavish]

I sure did. At least he was never caught raping or ordering his troops to rape women.

What about when TFG soldiers and his Ethiopian allies were raping innocent women and children in the south during the Ethiopian invasion. Does that ring a bell?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

What about when TFG soldiers and his Ethiopian allies were raping innocent women and children in the south during the Ethiopian invasion. Does that ring a bell?

My entire first post discussed men misusing their power to rape, so at what point have I ever denied that this could even be possible? The post I was referring to, was when it is ordered by a regime vs soldiers being demonic. During the Siad Barre regime, rape was absolutely ordered from above. TFG ordering rape? I have no evidence of that, but I will accept it if it's given. Because why would that be shocking.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

That seems like fake news conspiracy theories theres pics of siad barre going to hajj I’m sure you can find it on the internet

LOL

You do realise these people can be sued? They wouldn't open themselves up to litigation like that nor would they risk ruining their credibility.

If Siad Barre's regime wiped out Somalis without any shame, why are you shocked at Siad Barre's antics.

Also, guess who also goes to Hajj all the time? Real life killers and thieves. What does that even mean.

 

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[Zak12]

This is not suprising, Siyad was an alcoholic, denied the Quran & set scholars on fire (literally) when they opposed him

I'm not sure any of that is true. Somalia was very much an Islamic country under his government and he facilitated the construction of mosques and supported local imams. The "scholars" he executed were also enemies.

I didn't get an alert of your post.

I am not sure if this is correct interpretation. As he has done a full length interview with Egyptian journalists about this about the inheritance law controversy and religion.

From this, it looks like the regime was battling kwharij rebels that were trying to incite and provoke violence through the use of religion, threatening to murder people, doing takfir by claiming him and others are atheists and so on.

He also made it frank anything people found that is wrong with the law could be amended and changed if people demanded it

The full interview has been posted before on this forum

EGYPTIAN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS SIAD BARRE

[ROSE AL-YUSUF Editor Muhammad Awdah's interview with Somali President, Mohammed Siad Barre] Question: But our spiritual, cultural and national heritage is an Islamic heritage. Does that not conflict with the choice of Marxism? Answer: The Somalis are Muslim Arabs. They fully understand the...

www.somalispot.com

Somalia during his regime was not a secular country at all. Islam was considered a state religion. They made quranic school compulsory and built mosques and professed/stressed Islam.

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He favored the Wadaads (Religious men) bringing literacy to the masses in the form of Islamic education and he’s seen condemning sectarianism, and calling for the construction and advancement of Duksi’s (islamic schools)
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Documentary segment mentioning and showing the construction of moques and Duksi's schools and the central role Islamic education had:



You can also see it in the governments policies: Not only were religious leaders elevated into position but in many cases Islamic credentials became mandatory.

American diplomatic assessment:

“𝘙𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘴 𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘨𝘯𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘴 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘴𝘰𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘧𝘢𝘣𝘳𝘪𝘤. 𝘚𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭-𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘔𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘪𝘮 𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘪𝘨𝘩-𝘭𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘭 𝘤𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘭 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘦 𝘫𝘰𝘣𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘰-𝘰𝘱𝘵 𝘔𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘪𝘮 𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱 𝘨𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘔𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘑𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘙𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘈𝘧𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘳𝘴. 𝘙𝘦𝘨𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘴 𝘐𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘮𝘪𝘤 𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘮𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴”
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Also foreign policy wise Somalia swayed more towards Muslim/Arab countries than with the soviet or communist bloc. Proving to that Islam and their Arab/Religious cultural ties mattered more to them than communism

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Mengistu was not perceived favorable in the Muslim world if you discount South Yemen and Libya, none was supportive of him and Saudi's in the classified document i showed you was supportive of a moderate Ethiopia but wanted to outs him for being a communist and thats why they pushed for Somalia to invade Ethiopia but snaked us in the end because they didn't care about Ogaden only what was tactical to them. Saudi's back then were no different from what we come to know them now, they abandoned even Muslims in Eritrea and sponsored jihadi terrorism in Muslim lands.

Same goes for Libya they were sponsoring destabilization efforts in Arab/Muslim countries and Gadaffi was neither pro-Arab or Pan-African as he pretended to the masses in his meglomaniacle antics.

All those countries were annoyed with Somalia because it's perused its own independent interests, rather than being a puppet tool that they wanted it to be.

Why did he monitor people? Because they were religious or was it because they were subversives?

The so called ''Sheikhs'' or ''learned men'' were Saudi and Al-Qaida operatives . Saudis were sponsoring terrorism and were crazy maniac Takfiris called other Muslims kuffar and atheist and you see it come full circle into a dangerous idealogy where they attempted to incite violence. It was not much different from Alshabaab we currently see today