24 men involved in the r*pe of two young sisters in Lascanood, Sool, Somalia.

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

Its sick backward tribal law designed for men made by men. Thats why i loathe women who ride for their clan whilst displaying qabyaalad to those of other clans. Like nigga if you get married your children dont even get your last name let alone your clan. You are forgotten in history even when dead in the ground. Its a curse idec im dropping my qabiil today im never being affiliated clan again what has it done for me?

Sorry for the rant this has just pissed me tf off and soiled my day

Yes. Remember the Luul Abdiaziz case that happened a while back where the guy burnt his pregnant wife alive. It's been a very long time and he is yet to be executed or anything.
Plus you even had women protecting him saying "he is our boy" "you guys can't touch him" etc.... which just shows how it really is.

 

[Qol]

Burgal has the best takes - most of the time. But I disagree with one point. It's not our culture to do kufsi. It's our culture to side with our kinsmen. That's a big difference. And when it comes to crimes against women - it always goes back to clan dynamics and women are equally worth the blame if not more. Heck, they tend to be more clannist than men.

We are a tribal society. That tribalism dictates how we treat each other - good or bad. To say only men engage in terrible crimes is misleading.

Men from lowly clans don't even cat-call women of bigger clans. It's clan that determines our culture primarily - not gender (gender still plays a role).

Matters of r@pe and gender violence is always settled by clan politics.

The outcome of this heinous crime depends on the clan dynamics of the victims and the perpetrators.

Hope SSC kills them all. Fuckers.

All of that can interlinked with kufis culture. The tribalism system does exists within a gender framework, and it has historically been.

Burgul statement is also correct in that context that to be a rag within the Somali societies violence must be in play, this is not deniable. People faan about the crimes their people commit against others, and Somali culture(due to nomadism) has been like this for generations.

Men from lowly clans don't even cat-call women of bigger clans. It's clan that determines our culture primarily - not gender (gender still plays a role).

Wrong, for few reasons. It is not about the well being of the women that matters in this context but the "honor" she brings to the tribe. The same reaction would not be generated if the clan cat calling was one of her own or those "big" clans.

Matters of r@pe and gender violence is always settled by clan politics.

That's the problem, the victim are silenced in this context and the decision are made for her by random guys where she is not seen. Do you know that this case also happened four days ago? It took one person to say something than the police had to release the pictures.

The outcome of this heinous crime depends on the clan dynamics of the victims and the perpetrators

I definitely agree with you on this, 100% but this doesn't dismiss that a kufis culture existing but shows how the kufsi culture thrives in such system where people don't believe all are equally deserving of justice.

 

[Espaa_]

Not surprised sis, I don’t even bother going on the comments on fob TikToks because you will be met with countless “50ley”, “shuubo”, and whatever insult is trending, and these comments get hundreds of likes too. It’s a shame the government doesn’t see the dangers of social media, lack of education, and the rise of gender-based violence. Somali girls/women back home are in a lot of danger. A society that doesn’t teach young men consent, boundaries, and allows these men to have unfiltered access to social media (Telegram) is concerning.

Look at these videos. It’s a prime example of the lack of deen and akhlaaq back home and how ceeb culture only suppresses Somali women. Even when a girl is covered in a jilbaab, they won’t leave her alone because “ceeb” really and truly only applies to Somali women.

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Thats so disgusting bro subhanallah for a people that say they are so “islamic” they are just backward. did i just witness a kid say those things? His parents need to be g checked immediately

Specifically *old* men, they are not the ones who die in endless conflicts or get raped, they’d prefer to keep the status quo

exactly they have nothing to do with any of this yet they collect the cashout if any of their women get unfortunately assaulted. Its the most corrupted system ive ever seen. Im not even going to entertain clan anymore because its the most stupidest thing ive ever witnessed. It only benefits men and us women are just victims of this practice. Women back home have been subjugated to being subservient to their clan and to keep quiet about thints or else its “ceeb”. I give up every single day when it comes to somali men

may allah bless all single somali mothers who raised their kids with the hardships and struggle. May allah reward those who remained patient even after being assaulted. May allah admit every somali woman into jannah who died at the hands of a man. May allah continue to make every somali woman strongminded.

 

[Espaa_]

Yes. Remember the Luul Abdiaziz case that happened a while back where the guy burnt his pregnant wife alive. It's been a very long time and he is yet to be executed or anything.
Plus you even had women protecting him saying "he is our boy" "you guys can't touch him" etc.... which just shows how it really is.

Somalia really is a cursed place to be a woman. We have indoctrinated our baby girls and women into becoming victim to this male centered tribal nonsense.

Notice how majority of us do not know our names past the 4th/5th grandmother. They are lost to history yet a man whos done f*ck all with his life gets to be the one to carry the family lineage. I know that its islam but even our prophet saw knew his maternal lineage

i hope the killer of luul abdiaziz is slaughtered painfully jeffrey dahmer style put into a put and rolled up in a kebab and fed to hyenas on a silver plate

 

[FortniteLover]

Why is everything being said centered around Qabil? There's a kufsi case up North, and the only thing being discussed is Qabil and how that's the fall of the Somali people. Dancing around the issue for no reason.

 

[novanova]

Thats so disgusting bro subhanallah for a people that say they are so “islamic” they are just backward. did i just witness a kid say those things? His parents need to be g checked immediately


exactly they have nothing to do with any of this yet they collect the cashout if any of their women get unfortunately assaulted. Its the most corrupted system ive ever seen. Im not even going to entertain clan anymore because its the most stupidest thing ive ever witnessed. It only benefits men and us women are just victims of this practice. Women back home have been subjugated to being subservient to their clan and to keep quiet about thints or else its “ceeb”. I give up every single day when it comes to somali men

may allah bless all single somali mothers who raised their kids with the hardships and struggle. May allah reward those who remained patient even after being assaulted. May allah admit every somali woman into jannah who died at the hands of a man. May allah continue to make every somali woman strongminded.

There are select few people that genuinely benefit from qabyaalad and I wouldn’t say most men are of them. The good thing is that stuff like this does wake up the somali collective, I want them to be radicalized and realize how little the status quo benefits them, it barely offers them legal protection. The youth (who are the overwhelming majority of the population) and women are the biggest victims in this

reminded me of this:

are there any societies out there dominated by the "elders" to the extent that we are? like 60% of somalia is under 15, yet it feels like "the youth" do not exist at all, except for when their bodies are being counted.

diasporas say the problem is "qabiilism" but won't come to the realization that qabyaalad is a socio-political manifestation of the gerontocracy.

if the bulk of your strongest and most able demographic (the young men) are unhappy with the way things are, you will not have a stable society. the early ICU and the aptly named al shabaab knew this cultural flaw somewhat and they exploit it. in modern somalia that's the option if a young man wants to rebel against the status quo. yet the clan (the tyranny of old people) still remains, it still has power and it still doesn't care for its youth. the youth from all corners of somaliweyn are dreaming about fleeing to better and wealthier countries. the FGS constantly fails to get the youth to believe in its "vision" (it doesnt actually have one other than which old guy gets the kursi) so we are stuck in a death loop

i do not think any other place gets away with a 64% youth unemployment, a somali ruler can simply just ignore the future generations wants. it's free reign for them to loot the state for own pleasure, the suffering of their subjects just doesn't register to them.

 

[Espaa_]

Idk what answer you expect me to give against this. Qabil is just a lineage-based system. Inherently, it's not designed to oppress or empower anyone. I don't get the question

I'm more interested in your view on this. This is just a subtle jab at Islam. I mean, where else do we get that lineage is from the father, and one is to be called from the names of their father.

“Subtle jab at islam”. Our beloved prophet knew both his maternal and paternal line. Even then knowing somalis 99% of our lineages are all fake. Samaale didnt exist. Jaberti didnt exist. All these mfs you guys claim Did. Not. Exist. It cant be possible genetically. For all i know my real 30th great grandfather was probably a man from the forests of galbeed called Katakude Obama the III.

Im not taking shots at islam. I find it funny that when it comes to women, all of a sudden islam becomes extremely convenient to use. Qabiil is already used to subjugate women. All female historical somali victories arent written nor recorded. Luul abdiaziz killer still hasnt been executed. Thousands of women are assaulted every single day but because of the “ceeb” culture implemented by the patriarchy you guys find a way to shut women down. Clan is bad for women. It is only convenient for men.

case closed.

 

[Espaa_]

There are select few people that genuinely benefit from qabyaalad and I wouldn’t say most men are of them. The good thing is that stuff like this does wake up the somali collective, I want them to be radicalized and realize how little the status quo benefits them, it barely offers them legal protection. The youth (who are the overwhelming majority of the population) and women sre the biggest victims in this

reminded me of this:

my point is that qabiil is a way to reinforce the patriarchy and is a tool used by men to shut women up. How many women do you know are in parliament right now? How many womens names have been recorded in history compared to men inside somalia? Do you know your grandmothers name past the 5th name?

qabiil is used to wipe the slate clean of women and to rewrite history from the lense of a man. It also controls women and tells them to ride or die for their clan when in reality if a clan elder got a marriage proposal from another clan for a woman inside his own clan, he would be QUICK to sell her off for quick money.

qabyaalad is a different issue and is not limited to just women but is a problem that affects all regardless of faith gender sexuality. The very core principles of qabiil are used to oppress and silence women regardless.

Even if the nation is developed, due to the corrupted version of islam our people follow whereby we mix islam and culture, qabiil will never fully disappear and instead will mutate to become something different.

This has ties to qabiil. Everything a somali does has ties to qabiil. Its a way that lets somali men off the hook from their crimes.

 

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

This is not a tribe issue. It happens In the north, south, east and west. It's a somali issue and it transcends tribe.

 

[FortniteLover]

Im not taking shots at islam. I find it funny that when it comes to women, all of a sudden islam becomes extremely convenient to use.

Come on, let's not beat around the bush, you questioned why the kid has to carry his father's name and lineage.

Samaale didnt exist. Jaberti didnt exist

Im not doing abtiris to no Jaberti lets not take the piss now. And Samaale did exist, just not for Dir or Isaaq. They can do abtiris to the two Dir and Harari women that got impregnated by a noble Arab man Or Noble Sheikh Darood. Be specific on who you talking about

For all i know my real 30th great grandfather was probably a man from the forests of galbeed called Katakude Obama the III.

Sounds like a you problem mate

Im not taking shots at islam. I find it funny that when it comes to women, all of a sudden islam becomes extremely convenient to use.

Bruh, what are you talking about

All female historical somali victories arent written nor recorded

Idek what this is meant to mean. If this is true, you woman need to be recording ur own victories. Dont know why you looking at other ngas for. Unless qabil took away your ability to write.

It is only convenient for men.

This an emotional and dumb take. Shouldve said men that come from powerful Qabils.

 

[Idilinaa]

Yes. Remember the Luul Abdiaziz case that happened a while back where the guy burnt his pregnant wife alive. It's been a very long time and he is yet to be executed or anything.
Plus you even had women protecting him saying "he is our boy" "you guys can't touch him" etc.... which just shows how it really is.

I just googled her name.

This article came up:

Somalia Supreme Court Upholds Death Sentence for Man Who Burned Pregnant Wife | Shabelle Media Network

shabellemedia.com

This case has not only underscored the severity of domestic violence but also tested Somalia’s judicial system, pushing for a more robust legal framework to handle such heinous crimes. The execution of the sentence, however, remains subject to Somalia’s legal processes and could face delays or further appeals.


The decision by Somalia’s highest court sends a strong message about the consequences of such violent acts, potentially setting a precedent for future cases involving domestic violence.

The case did go through trial and the death sentence was upheld. These things have to move through due legal process.

Even the UN acknowledged the significance of the arrest and prosecution:

Somalia: UN hails the arrest of man wanted for burning his wife to death | Shabelle Media Network

shabellemedia.com

He was caught by NISA, Federal police, and Galmudug forces as a fugitive in the Mudug region following days of nationwide manhunt.


“The UN welcomes Somalia’s commitment to investigate and prosecute gender-based violations,” the UN office in Somalia said in a statement.

So I don’t really understand the narrative being pushed in this thread , the idea that victims don’t get justice or that "clan protection" always shields perpetrators. In almost every major case that sparks public outrage, I’ve seen real follow-up: arrests, prosecutions, and often convictions.

Also, this specific kind of case hasn’t happened before or since. It seems like people isolate one horrific incident and then generalize from it to form politicized or emotional narratives. If the concern is truly about justice, then the focus should also include recognizing when the system does work as it did here and pushing for stronger institutional responses overall.

The burden shouldn’t fall on families or victims alone. It’s about strengthening law enforcement and legal institutions so they can respond effectively. In the case mentioned in this thread, all 23 or 24 perpetrators were arrested their clan didn’t shield them from arrest, and it’s unlikely they’ll be shielded from conviction either.

 

[LacagChaser]

Death penalty + the government needs to do something about these animals that are flooding social media via TikTok and telegram.

 

[Aggravated_Quful]

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[IKHALIIL]

A wedding happened in lascanood says diaspora women

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

According to worldwide statistics, 1 in 3 women has experienced some form of sexual abuse and from my experience, many women have known a molester or been molested or worse. And of course, it's from people who are related to or know the girl very well. Molesters and rapists are not from another planet, they are everywhere.

Anyway.

Sexual crimes are not shocking in Somalia, it's always happened. Whether state sponsored aka The Siyad Barre regime and his red beret rapist troops, before that we had Sayid Abdulle's dervishes who would 'marry' girls from tribes they wiped out. During the civil war, rape was a common occurrence. And we keep hearing about girls and women being assaulted in present times.

The truth is, this world is not kind to the female gender, and men have used their physical power to exploit women.

C0rn is not even the main reason, because before the widespread use of c0rn, we had rapists in Somalia.

The truth is, they see women as creatures made for their entertainment and 'pleasure'. They don't respect women at all. That's why they call it 'Reer Abti' and not 'Reer Hooyo'. Somalis are just a small step above the Hindi they love to insult.

Pray for our sisters, may Allah protect us all.

 

[FortniteLover]

The truth is, they see women as creatures made for their entertainment and 'pleasure'. They don't respect women at all. That's why they call it 'Reer Abti' and not 'Reer Hooyo'.