23 years ago today, Siad Barre passed away

[Bilal]

Allaah has commanded us to refer matters to His judgement and to establish Sharee‘ah, and He has forbidden us to rule with anything else, as is clear from a number of aayaat in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat in Soorat al-Maa’idah (5) which discuss ruling according to what Allaah has revealed, and mention the following topics:

The command to rule according to what Allaah has revealed: “And so judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . .” [aayah 49]

Warning against ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed: “. . . and follow not their vain desires . . .” [aayah 49]

Warning against compromising on any detail of Sharee‘ah, no matter how small: “. . . but beware of them lest they turn you far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you . . .” [aayah 49]

Forbidding seeking the ruling of jaahiliyyah, as is expressed in the rhetorical question “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance?” [aayah 50]

The statement that nobody is better than Allaah to judge: “. . . and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [aayah 50]

The statement that whoever does not judge according to what Allaah revealed is a kaafir, a zaalim (oppressor or wrongdoer) and a faasiq (sinner), as Allaah says: “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.”[aayah 44]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by that which Allaah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)” [aayah 45]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed (then) such (people) are the faasiqoon(rebellious or disobedient).” [aayah 47].

The statement that it is obligatory for the Muslims to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, even if those who seek their judgement are not Muslim, as Allaah says: “. . . And if you judge, judge with justice between them. . .” [aayah 42]

Judging or ruling according to other than what Allaah has revealed is contrary to faith and Tawheed, which are Allaah’s rights. It may be counted as kufr akbar (greater kufr) or kufr asghar (lesser kufr) according to circumstances. Kufr akbar will make a person no longer a Muslim in cases such as the following:

If he issues laws and regulations other than those revealed by Allaah, because the right to issue laws belongs to Allaah alone, Who has no partner, and whoever “competes” with Him in a matter which is His alone is a mushrik,because Allaah says: “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]

If the one who rules by other than that which Allaah has revealed denies the right of Allaah and His Prophet to rule, as is mentioned in Ibn ‘Abbaas’s comment on the aayah:“. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whoever rejects what Allaah has revealed is a kaafir.”

If he prefers the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is in absolute terms or just in a few matters. Allaah says: “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [al-Maa’idah 5:50]

If he regards the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal. Allaah says: “. . . Then do not set up rivals unto Allaah (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped).” [al-Baqarah 2:22]

If he thinks that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts the rule of Allaah and His Messenger, or he believes that it is not obligatory to rule according to what Allaah has revealed, or that the matter is optional. This is kufr which is contradictory to faith. Allaah revealed: “O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: ‘We believe’ with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you; they say, ‘If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ . . .” [al-Maa’idah 5:41]. He says: “Go to Muhammad (peace be upon him), and if he tells you that the ruling is lashes, accept it, but if he commands stoning, ignore what he says. Then Allaah revealed “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon (disbelievers)” [al-Maa’idah 5:44].

If he does not rule according to what Allah has revealed out of stubbornness and arrogance, he is a kaafir and has left Islaam, even if he does not deny the rule of Allaah. Stubbornness and arrogance may mean negligence and turning away, as Allaah says: “Have you seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent down to you, and that which was sent down before you, and they wish to go for judgement (in their disputes) to the Taaghoot (false judges, etc.) while they have been ordered to reject them. But Shaytaan wishes to lead them astray. And when it is said to them: ‘Come to what Allaah has sent down and to the Messenger,’ see they hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad) with aversion.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:60-61]

There are some minor misquotes from the Quran verses you quoted. But nevertheless, it sums it up that whoever rules anything besides the Sharia (Allah's commandments) then he is on the path of gaalo.

 

[Bilal]

MashaAllah Tabarakallah soo we Somalis are soo blessed that we adhered to sharia and Quran thousands of years before nabiga was born

Do you that Somalia has two coastlines. One that has a border with gulf of Aden and the other with the gulf of Arabia. So Somalia was a trade hub since most of the traders were Muslims. By the early 14th century most somalis were Muslims. So for 7 centuries we were Muslims. Islam is not foreign to us but democracy and modern state is foreign to us

 

[Generalissimo]

Do you that Somalia has two coastlines. One that has a border with gulf of Aden and the other with the gulf of Arabia. So Somalia was a trade hub since most of the traders were Muslims. By the early 14th century most somalis were Muslims. So for 7 centuries we were Muslims. Islam is not foreign to us but democracy and modern state is foreign to us

Yes but nonetheless Islam was also foreign to us and if the people back then would have had the same mentality like you they would had said, we don’t want this thing called Islam since it’s foreign to us.

Just because something is foreign does not mean it’s bad automatically per say

 

[Khayyam]

Siyaad barre xumaan iyo samaan labadaba soomaali waa u sameeyey, his positivity and negativity walks parallel equally...If you say he was a brutal mad dictator who murdered and massacred his own people that is true and undeniable..on the other hand if you indicate him as a compassionate sympathetic and kindy man that is also true

 

[Bilal]

Yes but nonetheless Islam was also foreign to us and if the people back then would have had the same mentality like you they would had said, we don’t want this thing called Islam since it’s foreign to us.

Just because something is foreign does not mean it’s bad automatically per say

How long was Islam indoctrinated in our system and how long was the other foreign elements indoctrinated in our system? Which one of those two is more foreign to us?

 

[Keo]

He's not the reason why Somalia is in the mess it is today.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

There are some minor misquotes from the Quran verses you quoted. But nevertheless, it sums it up that whoever rules anything besides the Sharia (Allah's commandments) then he is on the path of gaalo.

Let’s call a spade a spade do you know king Faisal of Saudia Arabia may Allah be pleased with him tried to talk siad barre out of taking the atheist communist system but to no avail?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

MashaAllah Tabarakallah soo we Somalis are soo blessed that we adhered to sharia and Quran thousands of years before nabiga was born

Islam wasn’t imposed by Arabs on Somalia it was Somalis that chose Islam it wasn’t imposed unlike secularism communism democracy and all the other isms by the colonialist west that colonised Somali lands from djbouti to NFD to jigjiga and Somalia.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

@Bilal is communism divine or man made if it is manmade and you are the leader of Somalia and you choose a man made system what does that make you a Muslim?

 

[Xooshdheere]

Siad Barre destroyed Somalia and Greater Somalia dream.

Siad Barre did not destory Somalia, Somali clans did.

Siad Barre’s coup in Somalia and rise to power, wherein he stopped the traditional cycle of clan ascenda by stopping the wheel at his clan, leading to tensions and his eventual overthrow of him and his clan by a united front of all Somali clans, who subsequently resumed the ancient and traditional neverending clan warefare - but instead of spears and muskets and swords, these modern-day Somali clansmen were flying fighter jets, manuvering tanks, using anti-aircraft guns, and were equipped with an arsenal that was the 3 largest and mechanized in Africa.

 

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[Xooshdheere]

they caught @antonio grandfather, hence why hes mad

 

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[Xooshdheere]

"We should teach the foreigners and colonialists that Somalia cannot be led by other people and that the traitors who fled the country will never lead Somalia."

"It is the worst way that big power could act, it is arrogance, it is proudness, it is measuring of one's decision in accordance to his bigness, unfortunately, therefore lack of any wisdom..."

-Siad Barre

 

[SomaliSteel]

The somali military at the time could not survive without Soviet support. He made a major mistake in invading and then to add insult he kicked out all Russians from the country. Surprise surprise when they put their full support behind Ethiopia. Yes we could capture places like Jigjiga but we did not have the logistics or arms to hold it.

 

[TheAnswer]

The somali military at the time could not survive without Soviet support. He made a major mistake in invading and then to add insult he kicked out all Russians from the country. Surprise surprise when they put their full support behind Ethiopia. Yes we could capture places like Jigjiga but we did not have the logistics or arms to hold it.

Useless idiot.

Retaking Somali territories swallowed up by Ethiopia was something just about every Somali back then wanted to do. By invading Ethiopia, Barre was responding to the people's will. He would have been overthrown a lot quicker if he didn't invade.

 

[antonio]

Xooshdheere said:

Siad Barre did not destory Somalia, Somali clans did


Barre destroyed Greater Somalia when he killed innocent somali officers in April 1978. He made a huge mistake expelling russians in 1977.


Greater Somalia, the never-ending dream? Contested Somali borders: the power of tradition vs. the tradition of power


http://forskning.ruc.dk/site/files/54198081/Zoppi_JAHPS_Vol_I_No_I_2015.pdf

 

[The Cushitic One]

He died on a toilet in Nigeria.

He is catching a great sun burn in hell right now, hahahahaha

:siilaanyolaugh:

To the fools saying he has done alot for somalia, yeah being occupied by amisom
and kenya stealing y'alls sea territory and land is such a great legacy

 

[Yonis]

He died on a toilet in Nigeria.

He is catching a great sun burn in hell right now, hahahahaha

:siilaanyolaugh:

Lets be honest now shall we.

North Western Somalia under Siad Barre's control > Any Somaliland administration since 1991

 

[The Cushitic One]

Lets be honest now shall we.

North Western Somalia under Siad Barre's control > Any Somaliland administration since 1991

Lets be honest now shall we

He was NEVER elected, he took power through a military coup

He ruined somalia and it has never recovered.

How did Somalia go from the richest country in Africa to this now?