23 years ago today, Siad Barre passed away

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Siad Barre was dictator but he also oversaw competent governance and a Somalia at its strongest politically and military but sadly in his efforts to rid of traitors of the time (objectively since they fought the government with support from Ethiopia) he committed crimes against humanity, which would later be returned by rebels forces in kind to his clan :)

I think we have to recognize that Siad Barre was neither the saint nor the full on devil he is painted as by people of varying political and clan biases, we as Somalis need to view the world with its grey nuances instead of denying reality and creating black and white picture :)
 
An autocrat who played by the political rules.In the end his lack of money was what brought him down , not any clan.


“When I leave Somalia I will leave buildings but not people.”
 
Had he ruled Somalia with Sharia Law and not something foreign to us, things wouldn't be like they are today. People normally don't pay much attention to the political system that was used by Siyad Barre.
 
Had he ruled Somalia with Sharia Law and not something foreign to us, things wouldn't be like they are today. People normally don't pay much attention to the political system that was used by Siyad Barre.

The irony when you call democracy and the modern nation state “foreign” but embrace Sharia law which is just as foreign since it came from the Arabian peninsula and not from old somali traditions.
 
The irony when you call democracy and the modern nation state “foreign” but embrace Sharia law which is just as foreign since it came from the Arabian peninsula and not from old somali traditions.
Reality is that democracy was non existence back in Siyad years. And speaking of democracy and modern state, it was FOREIGN to us.
 

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The irony when you call democracy and the modern nation state “foreign” but embrace Sharia law which is just as foreign since it came from the Arabian peninsula and not from old somali traditions.
Islam is foreign? Hooyada iyo tii ku xaartey ba waas siad barre was a communist gaal.
 
Reality is that democracy was non existence back in Siyad years. And speaking of democracy and modern state, it was FOREIGN to us.

But then you should have written that it would’ve been better if he ruled with Xeer instead of “democracy”.
 
Islam is our system somalia is a Muslim country the shariah is part of Somalis way of life.

You can say that but what I reacted towards was him mentioning that democracy is foreign and instead mentioning sharia which is just a foreign. Or are you saying that sharia was a concept Somalis 2000 years ago used?
 

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I wouldn't go as far as calling Siyad Barre a gaal because he was born from a Muslim family. But his political system that ruled Somalia was pretty much gaalo style.
If a leader implement communism which is anti God what could you call that leader other than a gaal?
 
You can say that but what I reacted towards was him mentioning that democracy is foreign and instead mentioning sharia which is just a foreign. Or are you saying that sharia was a concept Somalis 2000 years ago used?
Sharia Law is and will be the best solution for Somalia, long-term wise.
 

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You can say that but what I reacted towards was him mentioning that democracy is foreign and instead mentioning sharia which is just a foreign. Or are you saying that sharia was a concept Somalis 2000 years ago used?
Shariah is not foreign to Somalis the overwhelming majority of Somalis adhere to the shariah and the Quran for thousands of years.
 

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AUN to the greatest Somali that ever lived. Even after all these years Somalis didnt even managed to replace or rebuild what he put in place.

Abti you are missed.
 
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I know what you mean but God knows best.


Allaah has commanded us to refer matters to His judgement and to establish Sharee‘ah, and He has forbidden us to rule with anything else, as is clear from a number of aayaat in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat in Soorat al-Maa’idah (5) which discuss ruling according to what Allaah has revealed, and mention the following topics:

The command to rule according to what Allaah has revealed: “And so judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . .” [aayah 49]

Warning against ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed: “. . . and follow not their vain desires . . .” [aayah 49]

Warning against compromising on any detail of Sharee‘ah, no matter how small: “. . . but beware of them lest they turn you far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you . . .” [aayah 49]

Forbidding seeking the ruling of jaahiliyyah, as is expressed in the rhetorical question “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance?” [aayah 50]

The statement that nobody is better than Allaah to judge: “. . . and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [aayah 50]

The statement that whoever does not judge according to what Allaah revealed is a kaafir, a zaalim (oppressor or wrongdoer) and a faasiq (sinner), as Allaah says: “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.”[aayah 44]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by that which Allaah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)” [aayah 45]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed (then) such (people) are the faasiqoon(rebellious or disobedient).” [aayah 47].

The statement that it is obligatory for the Muslims to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, even if those who seek their judgement are not Muslim, as Allaah says: “. . . And if you judge, judge with justice between them. . .” [aayah 42]

Judging or ruling according to other than what Allaah has revealed is contrary to faith and Tawheed, which are Allaah’s rights. It may be counted as kufr akbar (greater kufr) or kufr asghar (lesser kufr) according to circumstances. Kufr akbar will make a person no longer a Muslim in cases such as the following:

If he issues laws and regulations other than those revealed by Allaah, because the right to issue laws belongs to Allaah alone, Who has no partner, and whoever “competes” with Him in a matter which is His alone is a mushrik,because Allaah says: “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]

If the one who rules by other than that which Allaah has revealed denies the right of Allaah and His Prophet to rule, as is mentioned in Ibn ‘Abbaas’s comment on the aayah:“. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whoever rejects what Allaah has revealed is a kaafir.”

If he prefers the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is in absolute terms or just in a few matters. Allaah says: “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [al-Maa’idah 5:50]

If he regards the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal. Allaah says: “. . . Then do not set up rivals unto Allaah (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped).” [al-Baqarah 2:22]

If he thinks that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts the rule of Allaah and His Messenger, or he believes that it is not obligatory to rule according to what Allaah has revealed, or that the matter is optional. This is kufr which is contradictory to faith. Allaah revealed: “O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: ‘We believe’ with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you; they say, ‘If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ . . .” [al-Maa’idah 5:41]. He says: “Go to Muhammad (peace be upon him), and if he tells you that the ruling is lashes, accept it, but if he commands stoning, ignore what he says. Then Allaah revealed “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon (disbelievers)” [al-Maa’idah 5:44].

If he does not rule according to what Allah has revealed out of stubbornness and arrogance, he is a kaafir and has left Islaam, even if he does not deny the rule of Allaah. Stubbornness and arrogance may mean negligence and turning away, as Allaah says: “Have you seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent down to you, and that which was sent down before you, and they wish to go for judgement (in their disputes) to the Taaghoot (false judges, etc.) while they have been ordered to reject them. But Shaytaan wishes to lead them astray. And when it is said to them: ‘Come to what Allaah has sent down and to the Messenger,’ see they hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad) with aversion.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:60-61]
 
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