1 in 10 Tigrayans died of hunger and disease in 2 years
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Nilotic
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What a crazy stat. 600,000 Tigrayans died of hunger and disease alone. Not even those fighting.
I sometimes doubt these horrific figures; the casualty figures of the DRC war were recently reduced by half, so I think it will take time before we really know just how many people have really died in Ethiopia's civil war.
tyrannicalmanager
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Ethiopia under TPLF rule slaughtered thousand of Somalis in and outside Galbleed.
TPLF bastard hid a cholera outbreak in Galbleed to avoid international press reporting it or human rights violations that happened on a daily basis.
GaradShabeel
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What a crazy stat. 600,000 Tigrayans died of hunger and disease alone. Not even those fighting.
From what I've heard and gathered of different sources, the "estimated" figures stands somewhere between 600.000-1.200.000, if you include all types of fatalities from the war altogether. As there have been massive death of fighters, on all sides. From people I know who have crossed these "captured" roads (and seen countless corpses everywhere) and the footages online, it's in the hundreds of thousands.
This region was practically sealed off, from the outside world and barely anything was coming in and out. You can imagine the how people were suffering. So the figure of 600k of "indirect" war victims, isn't far fetched. Though, I do think it's broad to certain extent and include deaths of other causes too.
GaradShabeel
VIP
You're right and most people would concur with you in that regard. But this is specifically related to the civilian deaths and not TPLF, as a result of the war. Anyone with a rational mind, would feel sympathy for the horrible atrocities civilians have been through.
On the flip side, most Tigrayans STILL support TPLF today despite everything they've done. And most of them I seen/heard online and irl, would even go as far as defend Meles Zenawi and TPLF/EPRDF, despite the suffering they caused to Somalis and other Ethiopians. Including neighbouring countries, in the wars/invasion of Eritrea and Somalia.
So, it's a tough seat to be in.
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
I was explaining why most Somalis are just indifferent to Tigrayian plight.You're right and most people would concur with you in that regard. But this is specifically related to the civilian deaths and not TPLF, as a result of the war. Anyone with a rational mind, would feel sympathy for the horrible atrocities civilians have been through.
On the flip side, most Tigrayans STILL support TPLF today despite everything they've done. And most of them I seen/heard online and irl, would even go as far as defend Meles Zenawi and TPLF/EPRDF, despite the suffering they caused to Somalis and other Ethiopians. Including neighbouring countries, in the wars/invasion of Eritrea and Somalia.
So, it's a tough seat to be in.
Somalis did help and support the Tigray cause in the 70s/80s and we know how that ended.
all this doesn't apply to the innocent Tigrayian Muslim though.
GaradShabeel
VIP
Oh, I see.
When geopolitics & humanitarianism are intermingled, it do get tricky at times.
Alex De Waal is a credible source. He's written a book literally called Famine crimes. I'm looking at it strictly as a stat. At least 10% of Tigrayans died in 2 years and Abiy still holds a Nobel Prize.
I think it is credible as well. I'm certain the figure is higher given how it ended. The Tigrayans accepted peace, there must not be many of them left. This was a genocide.
Jan Nyssen's assessment that so far there are between 150,000 and 200,000 starvation deaths, 50,000 to 100,000 victims of direct killings, and more than 150,000 additional deaths due to lack of health care.
The starvation deaths are based on the figures of the IPC Classification (400,000 people in famine, May/June 2021) and USAID (900,000 in famine, June 2021). The WFP did a study
https://www.wfp.org/news/severe-hunger-tightens-grip-northern-ethiopia
The number of deaths due to lack of health care is based on the excess mortality that it generates. In normal circumstances, an average of 6 people per 1000 inhabitants die in Ethiopia in a year, according to according to an instructive curve prepared by the World Bank.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN?locations=ET
During the conflict months of November 2020 to June 2021, they estimated that there were 20 deaths per 1000 people and starting with the total blockade 32 per 1000. Twenty out of 1000 was the rate of health-related deaths in 1984-85, before the improvements in the Ethiopian health system. This number has risen to 32 deaths per 1,000 since the blockade started. The excess mortality was then calculated, not on the entire population but on the total of 3.9 million people in need of medical care according to OCHA.
The tallied number of civilian direct casualties is at least 30,000. Probably they amount to 50,000 – 120,000, as there are hundreds of reports of civilian corpses “seen along the way when fleeing”, without mentioning location, date, numbers, etc.
Keep in mind the numbers calculated above are only until late 2021. 600k is probably an underestimate. This was genocide.
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
Somalia gave their leaders asylum in Mogadishu and TPLF paid somalis back by invading and brutally occupying Mogadishu. this goes beyond geopolitics.Oh, I see.
When geopolitics & humanitarianism are intermingled, it do get tricky at times.
SPMLegend
VIP
They deserve all the punishments they received
The Somali curse will continue to haunt them forever
under Meles Zenawi they had a chance to be independent from Ethiopia and allow Somali Galbeed to secede peacefully but they instead massacred our people and invaded Somalia in retaliation
The Somali curse will continue to haunt them forever
under Meles Zenawi they had a chance to be independent from Ethiopia and allow Somali Galbeed to secede peacefully but they instead massacred our people and invaded Somalia in retaliation
.I they burn and they killed us in mogadishu 2006
What a crazy stat. 600,000 Tigrayans died of hunger and disease alone. Not even those fighting.
But Allah is great, somalis was apart of Axum operation,
Nilotic
VIP
GaradShabeel
VIP
And now we are seeing a resurrection of the former regime, EPRDF sequel 2. I am afraid, they will collectively turn on us again, as a united Amhara/Tigrayan front.
GaradShabeel
VIP
Also look at this fool, I mean minister. Hashtagging the main face of TPLF, Getachew Reda, in this way doesn't even look professional. Seem to be buddy-buddy again.
Good this is nice news tigray kuffars and amhara kuffars should wipe eachother out quickly
