Jamaacatul DNA two Somalis took the Full Y-DNA for Haplogroup T

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anonimo said:
We brought you Camels, the Samaale Xeer Aji and converted y'all semi-naked savages to Islam. Who said Darood is local? They are from Eritrea.:drakekidding:

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Yes I know. I wanted to make a point that all Somali origin stories are made up, and Dombira lady was more likely to be Darood than Dir.

Do you have any information about Rahanwein?
 
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Automaton said:
Yes I know. I wanted to make a point that all Somali origin stories are made up, and Dombira lady was more likely to be Darood than Dir.

Do you have any information about Rahanwein?
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DNA is proving that Qabil identities are not necessarily mythical, they might be confederations though as assimilation is bound to happen among bigger subclans. I and other haplogroup T Dirs share a common ancestor in the relatively recent past as confirmed by the y-full test.

Dombira was not Dir according to our folk traditions, but a daughter of another branch of Aji, not the Dir Aji branch. Don't know where that claim came from. Nonetheless, a lot of our clan matriarchs were Darood, and vice versa according to tradition.

Raxanweyn? Can't help you.
 
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sophisticate said:
Doubt it. Somalis and Afar did not even marry in Djbouti until recently. It was formerly looked down upon.
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Marriage is different, but I mean forced assimilation is possible. Afars used to live even in southern Djibouti, Awdal region and other in Adal times. They assimilated an entire subclan of Samarone and another Karrayu Oromo subclan into Afar ethnic group. I have book written by sheekh cabdiraxmaan nuur who is samarone and he says that Afar once invaded Dhobo north of Borama and exiled some and assimilate some. I have this book, but its written in af-somali
 
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MarxKarl said:
A Biyomaal guy was found to be
E-V32 on YouTube. Dir is a confederation, possibly half the clan.
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There are also Biimaals that are T, and other Dir subclans that have E-V32 among them, no one is disputing that. Just like the way there are probably a minority of Darood that are J and T. What is important is whether those that belong to the same haplogroup are heavily spread out among the clan, and share a relatively recent ancestor. By identifying subclades through the y-full test, we are able to identify how real Qabil identities can be. Two E-V32 Daroods or two Hap-T Dirs are not necessarily the same Qabil. It is even more complex when it comes to E-V32 as it has an older estimated TMRCA than the Hap T lineage found among Dir Somalis.
 
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anonimo said:
There are also Biimaals that are T, and other Dir subclans that have E-V32 among them, no one is disputing that. Just like the way there are probably a minority of Darood that are J and T. What is important is whether those that belong to the same haplogroup are heavily spread out among the clan, and share a relatively recent ancestor. By identifying subclades through the y-full test, we are able to identify how real Qabil identities can be. Two E-V32 Daroods or two Hap-T Dirs are not necessarily the same Qabil. It is even more complex when it comes to E-V32 as it has an older estimated TMRCA than the Hap T lineage found among Dir Somalis.
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what do you thik about this Dir quraishi lineage, some people will be angry I am sure, I think its more spiritual lineage than reality:

I read this Dir abtirsi for Cise and Samarone mentioned by sheekh barkhad Claahi Ugaas in a history book, it says:

1. Abiibakar (Dir)
2. Cabdiraxmaan (Irir)
3. Ismaaciil (Aji)
4. Cismaan (Soomal)
5. Jibriil (Waarid)
5. Xasan (Lugaam)
6. Xuseen (Dalmar)
7. Harruun (Kamal)
8. Ismaaciil (Kooshin)
9. Ridwaan
10. Nuux
11. Axmad
12. 'Aqeel
13. Abu Taalib



Book: Ilbaxnimadii Adal iyo Sooyaalkii Soomaliyeed
Author: Sheekh Cabdiraxmaan Sheekh Nuur (Founder of the Borama Script)
 
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Jas said:
what do you thik about this Dir quraishi lineage, some people will be angry I am sure:

I read this Dir abtirsi from Cise and Samarone mentioned by sheekh barkhad Claahi Ugaas in a history book, it says:

1. Abiibakar (Dir)
2. Cabdiraxmaan (Irir)
3. Ismaaciil (Aji)
4. Cismaan (Soomal)
5. Jibriil (Waarid)
Xasan (Lugaam)
Xuseen (Dalmar)
Harruun (Kamal)
Ismaaciil (Kooshin)
Ridwaan
Nuux
Axmad
'Aqeel
Abu Taalib



Book: Ilbaxnimadii Adal iyo Sooyaalkii Soomaliyeed
Author: Sheekh Cabdiraxmaan Sheekh Nuur (Founder of the Borama Script)
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Sorry Walal. :nahgirl:

Don't read too much into this y-full test. We are Somali full stop and have been for more than a millennium.
 
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anonimo said:
We brought you Camels, the Samaale Xeer Aji and converted y'all semi-naked savages to Islam. Who said Darood is local? They are from Eritrea.:drakekidding:

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Lol, your T ancestor got into the Horn before modern civilization. They weren't Muslim.

E-M78 already had agriculture since it was found in the Natufians and also E-V13 is a clear agricultural lineage in Europe.
 
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anonimo

Amun said:
We Wuz Agriculturalists before you. E-M78 is associated with the Natufians, while T may be copy-cats who developed agricultural later from the Zagros Chalcolithic.
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We have been reduced to playing the 'We Wuz' games now.:gucciwhat:

If you have decided to play the E-M78 card, I am gonna play the Haplogroup K card. From China to Western Europe, We Iz Kings Yaa Ibnu Ham!:hemad:

Enough trolling bro, hope California is treating you well.
 
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anonimo said:
We have been reduced to playing the 'We Wuz' games now.:gucciwhat:

If you have decided to play the E-M78 card, I am gonna play the Haplogroup K card. From China to Western Europe, We Iz Kings Yaa Ibnu Ham!:hemad:

Enough trolling bro, hope California is treating you well.
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K is 45K, E-M78 only 13K - right at the start of agriculture.

E-M78 created Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece.

T did not create/dominate any civilization. :chrisfreshhah::trumpsmirk:You could say your L bros created the Indus Valley civilization though.

We Wuz Kangz
 
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Amun said:
K is 45K, E-M78 only 13K - right at the start of agriculture.

E-M78 created Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece.

T did not create/dominate any civilization. :chrisfreshhah::trumpsmirk:You could say your L bros created the Indus Valley civilization though.

We Wuz Kangz
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You took the bait.:hahaidiot:

It's too early in Europe for DNA Fkd Amun, catch up tomorrow.:nvjpqts:
 
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Jas said:
Marriage is different, but I mean forced assimilation is possible. Afars used to live even in southern Djibouti, Awdal region and other in Adal times. They assimilated an entire subclan of Samarone and another Karrayu Oromo subclan into Afar ethnic group. I have book written by sheekh cabdiraxmaan nuur who is samarone and he says that Afar once invaded Dhobo north of Borama and exiled some and assimilate some. I have this book, but its written in af-somali
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Until DNA gives us data on a subclan level. The jury is out on that theory. :manny: Rather not be associated with the Dankil region aka Hell on Earth and funny looking short skinnies with jagged teeth.
 
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Jas said:
Marriage is different, but I mean forced assimilation is possible. Afars used to live even in southern Djibouti, Awdal region and other in Adal times. They assimilated an entire subclan of Samarone and another Karrayu Oromo subclan into Afar ethnic group. I have book written by sheekh cabdiraxmaan nuur who is samarone and he says that Afar once invaded Dhobo north of Borama and exiled some and assimilate some. I have this book, but its written in af-somali
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The only Somali sub clan that borders Afars are the Ciise's, so in order for them to invade Borama, they'd need to also invade the Ciise's which I sincerely doubt. Ciise's are the ones who are pushing into Afar land and are the ones who have reached the Awash river. But what would an Akisho aka Oromo know.
 
Xaagi-Cagmadigtee

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anonimo said:
Not historically, the Adal Empire was more Afar than Somali if one was to be honest. We pushed them beyond Djibouti in the past 500 years, particularly the warrior Ciises.
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I read snippets of Futuh but not its entirety. If Adal Empire was predominantly Afar why are they not mentioned in the book, or are they? What about Ifat, the empire before Adal. Who were they? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We did not pop out from vacuum. We had presence in the Horn for 2K -- at least.
 
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World said:
The only Somali sub clan that borders Afars are the Ciise's, so in order for them to invade Borama, they'd need to also invade the Ciise's which I sincerely doubt. Ciise's are the ones who are pushing into Afar land and are the ones who have reached the Awash river. But what would an Akisho aka Oromo know.
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Akhi, ka xishoo gabadha.
 
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