Somali men, if you like traditional gender roles then why are you not in Somalia?

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HalimaJ said:
Khadijah helped the prophet S.A.W.

However, if you knew anything about the deen, you would know that Islamically the man has to provide. That is the biggest rights your wife has over you. In fact the Quraan makes it clear that men are the maintainers and protectors of women.

Even if your wife is a millionaire, she still has rights of provision over you. That is Islamic gender roles.
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nayaa the prophet is the best of examples to mankind and I will follow his path, the man docent have to provide
Knowles said:
The prophet led battles and wars. You on the other hand are an able bodied Male cowering away hiding behind the mercy of an cadan man. Why on earth would any woman agree to be led by you????
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im an American just as much as any white/asian/latino or even native, so your point isn't making sense, I can lead in the US and why wouldn't she want to be led by me? I'm not getting your point, were leaders here in the US
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HalimaJ

Tukraq said:
nayaa the prophet is the best of examples to mankind and I will follow his path, the man docent have to provide

im an American just as much as any white/asian/latino or even native, so your point isn't making sense, I can lead in the US and why wouldn't she want to be led by me? I'm not getting your point
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The Quran and Allah all mighty have made it clear. The prophet S.A.W has also made it clear through various hadiths warya.

This is basic Islam.

You cannot pick and choose. Its not even something you can argue with me about.
 
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HalimaJ said:
The Quran and Allah all mighty have made it clear. The prophet S.A.W has also made it clear warya.

This is basic Islam.

You cannot pick and choose.
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try and use some logical sense, the prophet in islam is my role model, his wife was rich and did the finances, he later used that to build the ground when marrying other wives, the mehr prices were reasonable(300 usd), I find this admirable and an example for mankind, I would like to do the same as this great man(the mercy to mankind) nothing wrong with it
 
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VantaBlack said:
It makes sense

Most non white men have become quite the laughing stock for their women. Its because we left our natural habitat and way of thinking, which is spiritual, and took on the wight mans logical/material and world obsessed way of thinking. As we all should know, you cannot defeat something in its habitat.
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Lol your habitat is jungles and swings. The white and East Asian man’s habitat are science and medicine. At least you know you can’t compete walal
 
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Libaaxseendheer

Tukraq said:
nayaa the prophet is the best of examples to mankind and I will follow his path, the man docent have to provide

im an American just as much as any white/asian/latino or even native, so your point isn't making sense, I can lead in the US and why wouldn't she want to be led by me? I'm not getting your point, were leaders here in the US
Zak_Idan-862x471.jpg
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Oo markaad rasulka isku bardhigeysid ma waxyi baa kugu socdo mise cibaado ayaad u taagantahey habeenka oo dhan until your feet swell. The prophet also had 9 wives, some circumstances were unique and unavoidable to him sallalahu calayhi wa sallam.

The prophet wives were asked if they wanted the prophet and they unanimously replied yes we choose him over anyother. They were consenting of meager life. Your wife has a right to demand provision, as Allah says in his quran


Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given some of them over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
(Nisa 34)
 
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HalimaJ

Tukraq said:
try and use some logical sense, the prophet in islam is my role model, his wife was rich and did the finances, he later used that to build the ground when marrying other wives, the mehr prices were reasonable(300 usd), I find this admirable and an example for mankind, I would like to do the same as this great man(the mercy to mankind) nothing wrong with it
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He used to manage her business. He didn't live off her wealth. She also helped him in his time of need when he needed her. What you are advocating is completely different.

A muslim man provides. That is what the Prophet S.A.W himself had made clear. The Quraan makes it clear as well.

Islamically, if a husband does not provide, the wife has the right to annul the marriage or she can remain but she can stop intimacy. That is how important a man providing is in Islam.

You're so called leadership is nothing if you refuse to provide.
 
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Knowles said:
Lol your habitat is jungles and swings. The white and East Asian man’s habitat are science and medicine. At least you know you can’t compete walal
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somali habitat is leadership and business, where we do best, science and medicine is modern slave labour where they barely get paid for all that effort lol, somalia dosent even have jungles, we do have the most politicians in the world though(5 presidents 6 to 7 congresses thousands of politicians for such a small population)
 
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HalimaJ

Libaaxseendheer said:
Oo markaad rasulka isku bardhigeysid ma waxyi baa kugu socdo mise cibaado ayaad u taagantahey habeenka oo dhan until your feet swell. The prophet also had 9 wives, some circumstances were unique and unavoidable to him sallalahu calayhi wa sallam.

The prophet wives were asked if they wanted the prophet and they unanimously replied yes we choose him over anyother. They were consenting of meager life. Your wife has a right to demand provision, as Allah says in his quran


Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given some of them over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
(Nisa 34)
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This man is talking as though his wives used to provide for him authobilliah. Even though his wives consented to a meagre life, he still provided and did not live off their wealth.

I can't believe he is really comparing himself to the Prophet S.A.W who was spreading the deen of Allah and leading men into battle and giving all of his wealth to charity.
 
Libaaxseendheer

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HalimaJ said:
This man is talking as though his wives used to provide for him authobilliah. Even though his wives consented to a meagre life, he still provided and did not live off their wealth.

I can't believe he is really comparing himself to the Prophet S.A.W who was spreading the deen of Allah and leading men into battle and giving all of his wealth to charity.
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Some folks are just a carriage attached to their mouth. Where-ever it leads they follow
 
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"In the answer to question no. 3054, we quoted sufficient evidence from the Quran and Sunnah, and scholarly consensus, to prove that it is obligatory for the husband to spend on his wife, according to his means, and that he does not have the right to make her pay for her own expenses, even if she is rich, except with her agreement." you guys skip over the last point except in her agreement so if I find a wife in agreement or convince one I don't really have too, also I'm not comparing myself to the prophet just taking him as a role model which is an admirable thing to do
 
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Why would I go to that shithole Somalia which is overpopulated by retardos when I have a great life in Europe alx? :what:
 
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HalimaJ

Tukraq said:
"In the answer to question no. 3054, we quoted sufficient evidence from the Quran and Sunnah, and scholarly consensus, to prove that it is obligatory for the husband to spend on his wife, according to his means, and that he does not have the right to make her pay for her own expenses, even if she is rich, except with her agreement." you guys skip over the last point except in her agreement so if I find a wife in agreement or convince one I don't really have too, also I'm not comparing myself to the prophet just taking him as a role model which is an admirable thing to do
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The average woman will not agree. Nor will any self respecting Somali father give his daughter away to a man like that.

The scholars make it clear it is her right and she can annul her marriage if you refuse. The scholar that YOU posted has said it is obligatory.

Of course, if someone agrees then that is a whole different story. That however, doesn't change the fact that it is the duty of a Muslim man to provide. You tried to argue against that.

Also, you cannot expect intimacy, leadership ect, if you refuse to provide. Privileges in Islam comes with responsibilities.

Also, the prophet's wives did not provide for him. He provided for them. So stop using him as an example.
 
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Knowles said:
So women look after kids and cook. Aren’t men supposed to fight and defend their country?

Not if you’re a farax, you’ll be hiding in some European capital drinking coffee and talking about qabil. How can your country be in disarray for 30 years? This is the longest civil war ever. If you want to be respected and treated like men then act like one.
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It's possible to be both an individualist who cares for neither country or nationhood and be a traditionalist when it comes to your own personal life. You're an intelligent woman and it's surprising to me how you're conflating the two.
 
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