Afran Qallu

sophisticate said:

:siilaanyolaugh: Those birthing eyes are dying to explode out of their sockets like someone with a thyroid condition. Aesthetically lets agree to disagree my colour struck friend

Is that black Friday DNA discount still avaliable?

I might even fork over some cash to do a comprehensive test myself. I pray to get results that conform to my biases :siilaanyosmile:

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Plenty of Christmas Sales are ongoing. Shop around for what suits you but I personally think autosomal tests are pointless because you do not need science to tell you we are the result of some ancient mixture, and more recent mixture in some individual cases.

Genealogical DNA tests are useful for paternal ancestry but if that ain't your thing, why bother wasting your hard earned cash?

Bohol said:

Only weak clans assimilated into Oromos. Some of those groups were in the hundreds of thousands at that time yet succumbed to Oromo assimilation.

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You say that based off of what? Name a clan that borders them directly that hasn't at all?

anonimo said:

The clans that have become Oromoised were oddly enough the clans that neighboured Harar and contributed heavily to the Futuh Al Habasha wars.

The clans you see today were not exactly the bravest in times gone by. Ajuuran held off the Oromos and fought the Habasha in Qalafo. Today, many have assimilated into the Boran.

Every Dog Has His Day.

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Right, it seems like the historically 'strong' Somali clans have withered away. And those that are considered strong or large clans today are relatively new. Circle of life I guess.

sophisticate said:

It's not redundant to know what your maternal haplogroup is.

You aabophiles are inclined towards these big Y tests to satiate your qabil lust. I'm thinking of getting my family to do it.

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Abaayo I did mine and got some Jewish mtdna. They're right, it's irrelevant.

embarassing said:

Right, it seems like the historically 'strong' Somali clans have withered away. And those that are considered strong or large clans today are relatively new. Circle of life I guess.

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To an extent you are right. The Karanle were a force to reckon with around that time. Similarly, the Jidwaaq were the Big Boys of the Absame clan and their traditional leaders. But due to the fact that they were more closely bordered to Harar, they suffered heavily as a result of the war. I guess the further your clan territory was from the front line, the less your losses were when shit hit the fan.

Bear in mind though that by the 19th century, some voluntary went into alliance with the Oromo, like sections of the Gurgura, some Absame subclans, the Babille Hawiyes, Barsuug etc. When you rub shoulders for centuries and adopt the same agricultural lifestyle as your neighbour, you can end up getting Jiggy with each other.

Nonetheless, the ones that were assimilated in the century or two following the Futuh Al Habasha wars, be they Somalis/Harlas/Agrobbas in Harar; Xabasha of Shewa; Hadiya of Arsi were most probably overwhelmed by the rapid Oromo expansion as a result of the toll that the Futuh Al Habash war took on the above ethnicities.

Between the beginning of the 17th and the early 19th century, it is not an exaggeration that the Oromos were the strongest force in the Horn until Civil War, Guns and disease took a toll on their martial prowess. They settle on the best land in the Horn, this is a testament to the fact that they have a glorious history of conquest.

anonimo said:

The Jidwaaq and Geri of Jigjiga Region both definitely have 'non-Somali' admixture as evidenced by their historical dealings with the Oromo. So do the Ogaden that live in the frontier districts of Nogob, Godey and Afdheer. Irrespective of clan, all current Somalis that live on the frontier will plausibly have male ancestors that mated with a non-Somali at a particular historical junction.

As for Nogob, don't you know that the OG neighbour both the Akisho and the billingual Hawiye of Babille? As a matter of fact, the Akisho in Nogob are indistinguishable from the Ogaden that they intermarry with. The Sheekhaal that lived in the midst of the Ogaden did not have a border with the Oromos until they migrated to Raaso so don't blame any Oromo admixture that the Nogob OG may have on them.

As for Afdheer, it is well documented that the Cawlayahan mated with Oromo women when they pushed South of the Shabelle River. Gunther Schlee even commented on this fact.



All in all, the idea that there is a pure Somali genetic profile that has remain unchanged over millennia is fanciful unless we come across A-dna that supports such a claim. We are a patriarchal ethnic group that only formed in the last millennium or so, doesn't matter who you historically with mated as long as you pass for Somali and have a paternal blood line linking you to Somalis.

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The level of Oromo admixture will likely differ among the various clans, with the Dir having the highest level due to partial assimilation and a long residence in the region. They are probably followed by the Geri, and then the Jidwaaq. I very much doubt that the Ogaden, in Ethiopia, have any Oromo admixture. I would posit that the Habar Awal have more Oromo admixture than the Ogaden of Ethiopia. With the Omotic component serving as a proxy for Oromo admixture, I would estimate that none of these groups have any more than 5% of the average genome coming from the Omotic component, with there being a cline downwards from the assimilated Hawiye and Dir.
There is no evidence for any of this as we do not yet have genomic data for clans.

Somalis being a randomly mating population have created their own tight cluster in the horn. It is very easy to identify a Somali genetically. Anyone outside of that tight cluster is not an ethnic Somali as we have historically understood it. The Somalis that are likely to be the least admixed are those from the Hawd, of any clan, excluding the Sheekhaal.

Thegoodshepherd said:

The level of Oromo admixture will likely differ among the various clans, with the Dir having the highest level due to partial assimilation and a long residence in the region. They are probably followed by the Geri, and then the Jidwaaq. I very much doubt that the Ogaden, in Ethiopia, have any Oromo admixture. I would posit that the Habar Awal have more Oromo admixture than the Ogaden of Ethiopia. With the Omotic component serving as a proxy for Oromo admixture, I would estimate that none of these groups have any more than 5% of the average genome coming from the Omotic component, with there being a cline downwards from the assimilated Hawiye and Dir.
There is no evidence for any of this as we do not yet have genomic data for clans.

Somalis being a randomly mating population have created their own tight cluster in the horn. It is very easy to identify a Somali genetically. Anyone outside of that tight cluster is not an ethnic Somali as we have historically understood it. The Somalis that are likely to be the least admixed are those from the Hawd, of any clan, excluding the Sheekhaal.

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You have to be specific. When you mention Dir in Ethiopia, you are talking about clans that live as far apart as Doolo Bay Woreda and the Awash River. The same applies to Darood.

The Gadabursi in Faafan will not be as admixed as the Geri or Jidwaaq. It can be argued that they have less admixture than the Afdher clans that bordered the Oromos and bred with them, be they Ogaden; Gurre etc. They definitely have less Omotic admixture than MX and OG who took Boran wives in Southern K5. As for the Ciise, apart from Western parts of Shinille Zone and Dire Dawa, they mostly border the Afar.

It is only the Dirs, Barsug etc, that assimilated into the Oromo or intermarry with them such as the Gurgura etc that will be more differentiated. Even the difference will not be that great as the Omotic admixture is lessened by the fact the AQ are a heavily diluted Oromo confederation that also has people of Somali Agrobba, Afar, Harla ancestry etc. They are way more Somali looking than the Borans for example.

The Habar Awal definitely do not have more Oromo ancestry than the Ogaden of Afdher nor do the majority of them even border assimilated Oromos. If anything, they probably have less admixture than the Ogaden of Nogob and Godey who expanded into Oromo lands. Heck, I remember reading there is a Bah Gaalad in the OG clan. However, the Makahil, Bah Geri and other inland OG subclans will arguably have less exposure to clans that have bred with non-Somalis than the Habar Awal.

As for the Haud having the least admixed Somalis, based on what? The Somalis closer to the border of North-Central Somalia are a better candidate in my opinion.

I agree with you that assimilated Ethiopian Somalis will be more genetically separated than. However, this is not only restricted to Hawiyes and Dirs that have been assimilated into the AQ, but it also applies to the Daroods in the AQ confederation too.

All in all, this is a retarded argument to have unless we get a representative sample of people tested. Moreover, Somali ethnicity has never been defined by aurtosomal DNA. As long as one's phenotype does not drastically change for the worse and you are culturally Somali, your clan is not going to ostracise you for having admixture through a Habasha, Yemeni, Harari, Oromo grandmother. Our ethnicity is based on clan paternal ancestry.

anonimo said:

The Jidwaaq and Geri of Jigjiga Region both definitely have 'non-Somali' admixture as evidenced by their historical dealings with the Oromo.

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Sometimes I wish we hadn't been so friendly with them from the beginning. Jaarso wala Afran Qallu.. they're all two-faced cadow.

RedStar said:

Sometimes I wish we hadn't been so friendly with them from the beginning. Jaarso wala Afran Qallu.. they're all two-faced cadow.

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Wlc back man.
Is there intermarriage between the Bartire, Geri, Yabarre and the Jaarso/ Oromo? How common is it for a Darood man to marry a Jaarso/Oromo woman?

Thegoodshepherd said:

Wlc back man.
Is there intermarriage between the Bartire, Geri, Yabarre and the Jaarso/ Oromo? How common is it for a Darood man to marry a Jaarso/Oromo woman?

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Thanks bro. How are you holding up?

Somali & Jaarso families definitely don't raise any eyebrows in Faafan. The vast majority of them speak Somali fluently without that weird Oromo accent. There are however way less intermarriage between those clans and Jaarso/Oromo since the early 2000s fightings. The recent massacres on both sides have also sowed a lot of distrust between us and them.

I'd rather keep it that way. Jaarso flipflop too much and by the looks of it, they don't want to be a part of the Somali region. I think that is fair as long as they leave the land we settled them in.

RedStar said:

Thanks bro. How are you holding up?

Somali & Jaarso families definitely don't raise any eyebrows in Faafan. The vast majority of them speak Somali fluently without that weird Oromo accent. There are however way less intermarriage between those clans and Jaarso/Oromo since the early 2000s fightings. The recent massacres on both sides have also sowed a lot of distrust between us and them.

I'd rather keep it that way. Jaarso flipflop too much and by the looks of it, they don't want to be a part of the Somali region. I think that is fair as long as they leave the land we settled them in.

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I'm doing great man.

How is the situation between the Geri and Jaarso now? Are there still fights in Tulliguleed?

Thegoodshepherd said:

I'm doing great man.

How is the situation between the Geri and Jaarso now? Are there still fights in Tulliguleed?

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It's still very tense. There haven't been any massacres of late, because they've been pushed back.

A lot of them have fled Faafan due to fear of retaliation and Geri are still very pro Liyuu because they were the only entity that knew how to deal with Oromo. This new guy Cagjar aligned himself with Abiy in a time where Oromos were killing 30-40 Somalis in one go.

RedStar said:

It's still very tense. There haven't been any massacres of late, because they've been pushed back.

A lot of them have fled Faafan due to fear of retaliation and Geri are still very pro Liyuu because they were the only entity that knew how to deal with Oromo. This new guy Cagjar aligned himself with Abiy in a time where Oromos were killing 30-40 Somalis in one go.

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Cagjar seems to be very accommodating towards the Oromo and the Somalis in Faafan are going to pay the price for his carelessness.

What is the relationship like between the Geri and Jidwaaq? Do you guys fight together against the Oromo?

Thegoodshepherd said:

Cagjar seems to be very accommodating towards the Oromo and the Somalis in Faafan are going to pay the price for his carelessness.

What is the relationship like between the Geri and Jidwaaq? Do you guys fight together against the Oromo?

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He has been exposed as an Oromo lackey. He paid no mind to the young Geri men who were killed in Tulli by the Ethiopian paramilitary forces in broad daylight and then went on to lock up the geri councillor for Tulli for opposing his plan to move Jaarso families back to the town. Ogadens have all united under him.

Also Jidwaaq don't care as long as they stay top dog in Jigjiga and I don't blame them for it. They don't have to deal with the Oromo militia as other Somali clans shield them from the Somali-Oromo border.

RedStar said:

He has been exposed as an Oromo lackey. He paid no mind to the young Geri men who were killed in Tulli by the Ethiopian paramilitary forces in broad daylight and then went on to lock up the geri councillor for Tulli for opposing his plan to move Jaarso families back to the town. Ogadens have all united under him.

Also Jidwaaq don't care as long as they stay top dog in Jigjiga and I don't blame them for it. They don't have to deal with the Oromo militia as other Somali clans shield them from the Somali-Oromo border.

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Jidwaaq were the ones who helped you in the 90’s against the oromo. They are brothers so Geri’s problem is jidwaaqs problem and vice versa.



Also there is no geri - jaarso fighting its oromo iyo somali. Watch this video of a group of gelimeys men (absame adeerkood) from tuli guleed talking about the constant raids from the expansionist oromos.

Thegoodshepherd said:

Wlc back man.
Is there intermarriage between the Bartire, Geri, Yabarre and the Jaarso/ Oromo? How common is it for a Darood man to marry a Jaarso/Oromo woman?

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Jaarso are viewed as a normal somali clan by everyone, they are good people the ones I’ve met. It’s not like they’re gaal or anything. Also people say that a lot of jaarso are originally absame .Jaarso and Geri intermarry very very heavily tho . Geri’s garaad originally told them not to but they did. Those people are wiil iyo upti like somalis say and their fighting doesn’t benefit anyone but the land hungry oromos.


In my opinion jaarso and geri should make peace like they always do. Jaarso need to bring jinacsani back to the Somali region as well, jinacsani is geri land and it belongs to somalis.

anonimo said:

The clans that have become Oromoised were oddly enough the clans that neighboured Harar and contributed heavily to the Futuh Al Habasha wars.

The clans you see today were not exactly the bravest in times gone by. Ajuuran held off the Oromos and fought the Habasha in Qalafo. Today, many have assimilated into the Boran.

Every Dog Has His Day.

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True, there aren't much ajuran left in qalaafo when i went there for work, only saw bah geri and reer baares.

Marsin said:

True, there aren't much ajuran left in qalaafo when i went there for work, only saw bah geri and reer baares.

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The Ajuran in Qalafo are just one part of a dynasty that ruled from Mareeg to the Jubba River. They were never the majority in Qalafo but were the ruling class; former Bantu slaves outnumbered Jileecs. Ajuran did not abandon Qalafo district after Olol Dinle was defeated but just do not stand out as much as they did when they were the Lords of Qalafo.

Ajuran were like European Feudal Lords who ruled over various Somali clans. Starting with the Darandolle Hawiye (Mudulood), several vassal clans revolted and broke free from their rule. Some Ajuran were absorbed into various Somali clans; others started off their own Sultanates such as the Geledi Sultanate and the Qalafo Sultanate; whilst the ones in the deep south sought sanctuary in the Boran confederacy.

anonimo said:

The Ajuran in Qalafo are just one part of a dynasty that ruled from Mareeg to the Jubba River. They were never the majority in Qalafo but were the ruling class; former Bantu slaves outnumbered Jileecs. Ajuran did not abandon Qalafo district after Olol Dinle was defeated but just do not stand out as much as they did when they were the Lords of Qalafo.

Ajuran were like European Feudal Lords who ruled over various Somali clans. Starting with the Darandolle Hawiye (Mudulood), several vassal clans revolted and broke free from their rule. Some Ajuran were absorbed into various Somali clans; others started off their own Sultanates such as the Geledi Sultanate and the Qalafo Sultanate; whilst the ones in the deep south sought sanctuary in the Boran confederacy.

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I met this ajuran girl who was cooking for us when we stayed there, i asked her for olol dinle and she thought i was ajuran, she gave me so much food compared to the other employees there.