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Researching in harder than it looks man. Do you have access to the actual books or just the internet. There’s another source that says Homerite Arabs controlled East African trade in the FIRST century AD. Azania and Rhapta being on the East African coast.

Link your quotes and I will do the same. I have actual books, not all of which are online.
 
They are citizens of Somalia not ethnic Somalis though. I am generally ok with Cadcads but when people like shaanshiyo talk shit about Somalis I start to wonder if they should be stripped of their citizenship and shipped on boat back to Arabia or Persia
Saying our people founded Mogadishu is talking shit about ethnic Somalis now?
 
You can’t peddle bullshit and expect people to accept your utter revisionist bull crap. Mogadishu was already settlement and a trading port before your arrival so tell me how exactly you found what already existed?

I hope to ship you malcuuns back on the wooden boats you came in
Dude what’s a Malcuun?Anyway I just googled Reer Xamar, Benadiri, and Shanshiyo and see what came up! These are ancient sources. You can disagree but don’t say I peddle crap.
 
While I don't agree with @Shanshiyo1234 . There might be something to this.

1. There is a gap from the year 150 AD to 9th Century AD, where there is no information about Mogadishu.

2. Periplus of the Erythrean Sea and Geographia both state that Indian and Arab traders resided in Mogadishu.

3. In Periplus of the Erythrean Sea, the author mentions that the peoples of the Azanian (from Opone to Zanzibar) coast intermarried with Arab traders that were "familiar with the peoples and their cultures".

What we gain from this is that Arabs have been living in Somalia longer than we thought they have but Mogadishu did predate the reer Xamar.
 
While I don't agree with @Shanshiyo1234 . There might be something to this.

1. There is a gap from the year 150 AD to 9th Century AD, where there is no information about Mogadishu.

2. Periplus of the Erythrean Sea and Geographia both state that Indian and Arab traders resided in Mogadishu.

3. In Periplus of the Erythrean Sea, the author mentions that the peoples of the Azanian (from Opone to Zanzibar) coast intermarried with Arab traders that were "familiar with the peoples and their cultures".

What we gain from this is that Arabs have been living in Somalia longer than we thought they have but Mogadishu did predate the reer Xamar.
This actually confirms what i've theoriesed in the past, if these so called arabs did live there in ancient times, they must have been in a small group sucked in by the majority and now part of the somalis in some way. It's logic.

If the arabs in that time lived in that area to this day without intermarying, their numbers would be in the millions, they would be a big chunk of the populace. So if the reer Xamar were these former arabs, two problems arises

1. Their south asian majority dna

2. Their small number which isn't signifacnt enough to go back several tousand years.

It is very interesting
 
This actually confirms what i've theoriesed in the past, if these so called arabs did live there in ancient times, they must have been in a small group sucked in by the majority and now part of the somalis in some way. It's logic.

If the arabs in that time lived in that area to this day without intermarying, their numbers would be in the millions, they would be a big chunk of the populace. So if the reer Xamar were these former arabs, two problems arises

1. Their south asian majority dna

2. Their small number which isn't signifacnt enough to go back several tousand years.

It is very interesting

I think the South Asian DNA can be explained by the fact Indian traders have been trading in Xamar as long as the Arabs.

I would wager that there was either an eviction or massacre of Arabs in between 150 and 570 AD.
 

Those are excellent sources.

If you are not already familiar with Scott Reese, I think you will find him equally interesting.

https://books.google.com/books?id=fb4UYAPUhYoC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=The+Geledi+and+the+Omani+Sultanate+of+Zanzibar?&source=bl&ots=DgkGDEGn2S&sig=CoUZXccJY8N2aMzK_8EE0P-cCfQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi49cTCmNvaAhUnj1QKHez-BYoQ6AEIczAK#v=onepage&q=The Geledi and the Omani Sultanate of Zanzibar?&f=false

Page 42:

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Page 44 is not online, but I have it in the actual book:

"Writing in the early 1920s Cerulli provides an important snapshot of how many Benaadir clans conceptualized their origins, but only up to a point. Certain clans in both Mogadishu and Barawe laid claim to foreign origins. The Bida and Hatimi of Barawe both considered themselves of Arab stock while the Banu Qahtan, Gudmane and Shanshiyya clans of Mogadishu laid claim to Arab as well as Persian (in the case of the Shanshiyya) beginnings." Many other urban clans, especially those known collectively as the Reer Hamar or Mogadishu clans, feature Somali ancestry as the touchstone of their identities. The Murshow, widely regarded as Mogadishu's oldest clan, regard themselves as an offshoot of the Ajuran, a pastoral group popularly believed to have ruled the southern interior during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. The Dubbarwayn claim descent from the Hawadle and Murusade clans while the commercially influential Bandawow descended largely from various pastoral groups."


His thesis was:
Patricians of the Benaadir: Islamic learning, commerce and Somali urban identity in the nineteenth century

I have not been able to find an available copy, but there is a wonderful abstract at:

https://repository.upenn.edu/dissertations/AAI9636202/
 
Those are excellent sources.

If you are not already familiar with Scott Reese, I think you will find him equally interesting.

https://books.google.com/books?id=fb4UYAPUhYoC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=The+Geledi+and+the+Omani+Sultanate+of+Zanzibar?&source=bl&ots=DgkGDEGn2S&sig=CoUZXccJY8N2aMzK_8EE0P-cCfQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi49cTCmNvaAhUnj1QKHez-BYoQ6AEIczAK#v=onepage&q=The Geledi and the Omani Sultanate of Zanzibar?&f=false

Page 42:

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Page 44 is not online, but I have it in the actual book:

"Writing in the early 1920s Cerulli provides an important snapshot of how many Benaadir clans conceptualized their origins, but only up to a point. Certain clans in both Mogadishu and Barawe laid claim to foreign origins. The Bida and Hatimi of Barawe both considered themselves of Arab stock while the Banu Qahtan, Gudmane and Shanshiyya clans of Mogadishu laid claim to Arab as well as Persian (in the case of the Shanshiyya) beginnings." Many other urban clans, especially those known collectively as the Reer Hamar or Mogadishu clans, feature Somali ancestry as the touchstone of their identities. The Murshow, widely regarded as Mogadishu's oldest clan, regard themselves as an offshoot of the Ajuran, a pastoral group popularly believed to have ruled the southern interior during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. The Dubbarwayn claim descent from the Hawadle and Murusade clans while the commercially influential Bandawow descended largely from various pastoral groups."


His thesis was:
Patricians of the Benaadir: Islamic learning, commerce and Somali urban identity in the nineteenth century

I have not been able to find an available copy, but there is a wonderful abstract at:

https://repository.upenn.edu/dissertations/AAI9636202/
Here’s another source I found!
http://dspace-roma3.caspur.it/bitstream/2307/3335/1/The peopling of the Horn of Africa.pdf
I’m trying to find “ East Africa and the Orient”. It’s on google books but you can’t read it. Neville Chittik is the author.
 
Here’s another source I found!
http://dspace-roma3.caspur.it/bitstream/2307/3335/1/The peopling of the Horn of Africa.pdf
I’m trying to find “ East Africa and the Orient”. It’s on google books but you can’t read it. Neville Chittik is the author.

That's a great piece of work for the pre-DNA period. While some of it is clearly out of date, other aspects are seminal and important. I find the Warday, Negroid and Himyar material of most interest, together with the timing and location of the migration routes.

Good find!
 
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