if alshbaab took hold of hargeisa, are you going to abandon somaliland and claim puntaland as a sovereign country? if there is an issue in a part of somalia, shouldn't you want to fix it instead of running from it? the south is your land as much as it is anyone else. i commend somalilands progress, but i won't stand by and let it break somalia any further. lets not pretend the sole reason they want to separate isn't based on qabil.
Wikileak says Somalia will be split in to "four region".
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if alshbaab took hold of hargeisa, are you going to abandon somaliland and claim puntaland as a sovereign country? if there is an issue in a part of somalia, shouldn't you want to fix it instead of running from it? the south is your land as much as it is anyone else. i commend somalilands progress, but i won't stand by and let it break somalia any further. lets not pretend the sole reason they want to separate isn't based on qabil.
But have the famous Madow nose and Madow skull
He's just asking if they know Somaliyeey tooso which they obviously learned when they were young. Its not even the national anthem anymore
BebsiBolice
Suicidal men adore me.
I will never comprehend how diasporas living in luxury can be pro qabil regions when people in those very regions are dying everyday.
How can you reside in stable democratic nations who got rid of clan nonsense centuries ago only the be fine with it in Somalia. Do you hate your own people that much?
How can you reside in stable democratic nations who got rid of clan nonsense centuries ago only the be fine with it in Somalia. Do you hate your own people that much?
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
It doesn't matter what you stated or what you believe. Your opinion is fucking irrelevant and I'm enjoying you getting so worked up about this issue since you will never have an effect on its outcome. Somaliland will never join Somalia, neither will Djibouti, K5 Zone or Kenya's North Eastern Province.
You actually think you posting on an Internet messageboard will change the reality on the ground.
Delusional c*nt.
@merka @HalyeeyQaran
WHY SOMALILAND HAS NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY A SINGLE COUNTRY FOR A QUARTER CENTURY
The situation surrounding SL has arguably been one of the most contentious issues in Somali history since the Northern Somalia territory self declared it's independence amidst the Somali civil war which came as a surprise to many,A surprise because prior to SL separatism movement no other Somali territory harbored separatism tendencies quite contrary Somalis believed the horn of Africa was a single country so strong was this feeling Somalia invaded Ethiopia in 1977 to reclaim the Ogaden region which was wrongfully put under Ethiopian rule by the British colonizers this is a whole different topic altogether so i wont get much into it but moving on to the topic at hand these are some of the most crucial reasons SL will not be achieving recognition anytime soon.I will use the youngest nation in Africa South Sudan as a reference and how it was able to gain international recognition immediately after it's formation so bear with me;
1.PEOPLE
This is arguably one of the most important factors a separatism movement has to fulfill in it's quest for international recognition in the sense that it has to convince the international world they are completely different from the people they wish to separate from by race,religion,language etc SL does not full fill this condition because all ethnic Somalis generally make up one tribe that speaks the same language and furthermore share a religion on the other hand South Sudan managed to fulfill this condition perfectly because they were of a different race,religion and language from the Sudanese people which made their road to recognition a smooth one.
2.ACT OF UNION
This is another important factor a separatist movement can use in their quest for secession by simply proving they never signed an act of union from the region they want to separate from or were even forced or pressured to sign it but in the case of Somalia this is a very different scenario as both North and South Somalia willingly and unilaterally signed an act of union without any military pressure whatsoever amidst pomp and celebrations so once again SL falls short in this category NOTE some people might try to find faults in the act of union to work it on their favor but these can be rightfully termed as being opportunistic or fanatics but the main point is an act of union exist which the international world used to recognize Somalia as a single country after the union.Union:
1. (a) The State of Somaliland and the State of Somalia do hereby unite and shall forever remain united in a new, independent, democratic, unitary republic the name whereof shall the SOMALI REPUBLIC.
(b) The Capital of the Somali Republic shall be Mogadiscio.(Take note of the word ''FOREVER'')
3.DIFFERENCE IN POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES
This is one of the easiest routes a separatist movement is usually founded on this led to breakup of the USSR,a separatist movement simply needs to prove they have very contrasting political ideologies with the region they wish to separate from and wait to be recognized by other countries which share a common political ideology for instance SL might argue it's a communist state and wish to separate from Somalia a capitalist state this would see SL being recognized by other countries that are communist such as North Korea Lol this assumption is not true of course in reality the whole of Somalia regions believe in a capitalist ideology and mix of secular and sharia law as the basic political foundation so once again SL fails to differentiate itself from the rest of Somalia making the international world look at it as just another autonomous region in Somalia.
These are some of the most basic facts as to why SL has never been recognized by a single country since they self declared independence although this might hurt some people i can categorically tell you SL will never be recognized call me a ''hater'' or a ''pessimist'' but that is the simple unedited truth and is backed by SL consistently getting 00% recognition for a quarter century.
What Somali people need to realize is reconciliation is the best way forward Somalia is not Muqdishu or Bosaso alone it's a collection of great Somali cities such as Hargeysa,laascanod,Bosaso,Kismayo etc and most importantly our historic and ancient capital city Muqdishu for Somalia to come back to what it was it has to get back to it's roots that is a strong centralized country that was built on love,Somalinimo and unity and we prosper moving forward side by side.
WHY SOMALILAND HAS NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY A SINGLE COUNTRY FOR A QUARTER CENTURY
The situation surrounding SL has arguably been one of the most contentious issues in Somali history since the Northern Somalia territory self declared it's independence amidst the Somali civil war which came as a surprise to many,A surprise because prior to SL separatism movement no other Somali territory harbored separatism tendencies quite contrary Somalis believed the horn of Africa was a single country so strong was this feeling Somalia invaded Ethiopia in 1977 to reclaim the Ogaden region which was wrongfully put under Ethiopian rule by the British colonizers this is a whole different topic altogether so i wont get much into it but moving on to the topic at hand these are some of the most crucial reasons SL will not be achieving recognition anytime soon.I will use the youngest nation in Africa South Sudan as a reference and how it was able to gain international recognition immediately after it's formation so bear with me;
1.PEOPLE
This is arguably one of the most important factors a separatism movement has to fulfill in it's quest for international recognition in the sense that it has to convince the international world they are completely different from the people they wish to separate from by race,religion,language etc SL does not full fill this condition because all ethnic Somalis generally make up one tribe that speaks the same language and furthermore share a religion on the other hand South Sudan managed to fulfill this condition perfectly because they were of a different race,religion and language from the Sudanese people which made their road to recognition a smooth one.
2.ACT OF UNION
This is another important factor a separatist movement can use in their quest for secession by simply proving they never signed an act of union from the region they want to separate from or were even forced or pressured to sign it but in the case of Somalia this is a very different scenario as both North and South Somalia willingly and unilaterally signed an act of union without any military pressure whatsoever amidst pomp and celebrations so once again SL falls short in this category NOTE some people might try to find faults in the act of union to work it on their favor but these can be rightfully termed as being opportunistic or fanatics but the main point is an act of union exist which the international world used to recognize Somalia as a single country after the union.Union:
1. (a) The State of Somaliland and the State of Somalia do hereby unite and shall forever remain united in a new, independent, democratic, unitary republic the name whereof shall the SOMALI REPUBLIC.
(b) The Capital of the Somali Republic shall be Mogadiscio.(Take note of the word ''FOREVER'')
3.DIFFERENCE IN POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES
This is one of the easiest routes a separatist movement is usually founded on this led to breakup of the USSR,a separatist movement simply needs to prove they have very contrasting political ideologies with the region they wish to separate from and wait to be recognized by other countries which share a common political ideology for instance SL might argue it's a communist state and wish to separate from Somalia a capitalist state this would see SL being recognized by other countries that are communist such as North Korea Lol this assumption is not true of course in reality the whole of Somalia regions believe in a capitalist ideology and mix of secular and sharia law as the basic political foundation so once again SL fails to differentiate itself from the rest of Somalia making the international world look at it as just another autonomous region in Somalia.
These are some of the most basic facts as to why SL has never been recognized by a single country since they self declared independence although this might hurt some people i can categorically tell you SL will never be recognized call me a ''hater'' or a ''pessimist'' but that is the simple unedited truth and is backed by SL consistently getting 00% recognition for a quarter century.
What Somali people need to realize is reconciliation is the best way forward Somalia is not Muqdishu or Bosaso alone it's a collection of great Somali cities such as Hargeysa,laascanod,Bosaso,Kismayo etc and most importantly our historic and ancient capital city Muqdishu for Somalia to come back to what it was it has to get back to it's roots that is a strong centralized country that was built on love,Somalinimo and unity and we prosper moving forward side by side.
they were indoctrinated by their parents who are full of hate ever since they were young. its all they know. also most of these people are uneducated about africa and the history of the horn.
BebsiBolice
Suicidal men adore me.
It doesn't matter what you stated or what you believe. Your opinion is irrelevant and I'm enjoying you getting so worked up about this issue since you will never have an effect on its outcome. Somaliland will never join Somalia, neither will Djibouti, K5 Zone or Kenya's North Eastern Province.
You actually think you posting on an Internet messageboard will change the reality on the ground.
I don't take this message board that seriously. But you clearly do.
And unlike you I major in something
And will return to Somalia
Will be welcomed since I'm not Madow
But to be serious. I care about my country and my people and want nothing but the best for them. I will always care for them.
Tell me something. Why does a Madow like you care so much about Somali politics?
He's just asking if they know Somaliyeey tooso which they obviously learned when they were young. Its not even the national anthem anymore
They are 20s and above and in far north of Somalia, most of them never saw Mogadishu or went there.
It doesn't matter what you stated or what you believe. Your opinion is fucking irrelevant and I'm enjoying you getting so worked up about this issue since you will never have an effect on its outcome. Somaliland will never join Somalia, neither will Djibouti, K5 Zone or Kenya's North Eastern Province.
You actually think you posting on an Internet messageboard will change the reality on the ground.
you speak as if they are a separate country that is recognized...wallahi your delusional. it is against the international communities interests so it will not happen. trust, the second somalia elects its new president, everything will go back to normal. people generally act up when they don't have a governing power. when the rest of the country stabilizes, somalilanders can cry in silence
BebsiBolice
Suicidal men adore me.
Anyways it's morning and I gotta leave for work.
@HalyeeyQaran boo one day the Madows like you will be kicked out, or gassed if I have it my way.
@HalyeeyQaran boo one day the Madows like you will be kicked out, or gassed if I have it my way.
Somaliland has nothing to do with Somalias destruction. They left to rebuild while you destroyed yourselves.
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
Again, more personal attacks. Just concede defeat and admit you're braindead.I don't take this message board that seriously. But you clearly do.
And unlike you I major in something
And will return to Somalia
Will be welcomed since I'm not Madow
But to be serious. I care about my country and my people and want nothing but the best for them. I will always care for them.
Tell me something. Why does a Madow like you care so much about Somali politics?
I don't know you and I don't give a shit about what you do with your life, I'm here to discuss facts. Somaliland will never join Somalia. Djibouti will never join Somalia. Kilil 5 will never join Somalia. North Eastern Province will never join Somalia. Somalia is a failed state.
It's fucking hilarious knowing that's the reality in contrast to the bullshit you spew. f*ck Somalia.
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
You're a sick c*nt and no I don't mean that as a compliment. Keep revealing how horrible of a person you are. You're sick. And I quoted it so even if you Edit your disgraceful comment, the post is still here for everyone to see.
are you kidding me? somaliland was apart of somalia when the war started. you have as much blood on your hands as the rest of the country. you didn't leave to rebuild, you abandoned the country you help ruin and went and started a new one.
BebsiBolice
Suicidal men adore me.
You really need to stop having such a hard on for a Balkanized Somalia. Its not healthy.
You talk like those Madows who joined Alshabab out of hate of Somalia & somalis.
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
You've threatened me with violence just last week.
One word of advice stick to the benzos that the doctor prescribed you. Stop arguing with dhocilo when u r a middle aged man.
And ffs Stop claiming my fathers birth place!
BebsiBolice
Suicidal men adore me.
I've never been shy about my dislike for the Madows tho. You should know.
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