Why we need a new clan census

[Garaad Hirabu]

Except nomads are natural egalitarians, and will not adhere to socialism, let alone communism aka Trotsky's socialism.

If nomad's don't adhire they will lose all there state benefits like cattle exports, free housing education.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

If nomad's don't adhire they will lose all there state benefits like cattle exports, free housing education.

How about thinking of devising conducive systems, which further advance nomadic way of life, investing in and maintaining their values, instead of trying to thrust upon them foreign ideologies? Do the same for farming, and fishing communities. The latter approach begets, as has been shown, to be more detrimental, if injurious than not.

 

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Don't quote the words of Allah for your silly views. What you advocate for is basically against islamic principles and words of the prophet ﷺ regarding tribalism or clannism which was the act of jaahilya that's why our neighboring Arab tribal countries don't stoop that low like we have bragging about our clans and bringing it into politics.

Thats like saying a census is Haram because it includes race and thats racism.

If you could remind me, how it violates Islamic law. Could we not reconcile it?

There are other hadith similiar to this but at the same time there are ways to reconcile it I believe the arabs had a “Hima” system which I know very little about but revolves around “chiefs” managing who can graze to prevent overgrazing by people from outside of the Hima.

Water and Pasture by the way are referring to shared resources not private property like water tanks/farms etc. but instead rivers oceans savannahs

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Socialism is not necesarrky a bad thing for some cultures. Like a said if Somali's implemented socialism, as long as it doesn't go against Islam that would be my best choice of governence.

Socialism directly contradicts islamic maxims that make private ownership lawful(in general) and bans price fixing which is a crucial feature to socialism.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Thats like saying a census is Haram because it includes race and thats racism.

Nobody does clan census as census is about population and how the govt based on that can prepare to serve its citizens like investing more in education health or improving infrastructure

 

[AbdiFreedom]

Somalians are not capable of handling census data in a mature manner. If its done, it should not be made public.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Somalians

Who are those goblins?

 

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Nobody does clan census as census is about population and how the govt based on that can prepare to serve its citizens like investing more in education health or improving infrastructure

So why does the census ask your race and in some countries religion/ethnicity?

Do you think everything is discrimination?

 

[Haragwaafi]

So why does the census ask your race and in some countries religion/ethnicity?

Do you think everything is discrimination?

Clan isn't the same way as ethnicity as we're one people Somalis but we can estimate clan population from that census done in the regions or districts like in 1975 where western experts were able to estimate clan percentage in the country.

 

[AbdiFreedom]

Who are those goblins?

An East African cultural group that you belong to.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Clan isn't the same way as ethnicity as we're one people Somalis but we can estimate clan population from that census done in the regions or districts like in 1875 where western experts were able to estimate clan percentage in the country.

English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Danes, Franks? Those are tribal names, no?

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

An East African cultural group that you belong to.

Oh you meant Somalis, you pillock!

 

[Haragwaafi]

English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Danes, Franks? Those are tribal names, no?

Those are ethnicities with their own traditions and languages

 

[Aurelian]

One of the reasons Somalia has remained in a mess for so long is many of us bury our heads in the sand and refuse to accept reality. Somalis are a clan based society where clan identity rules supreme no matter what the communist leftists would have us imagine. That isn't necessarily a problem, Allah has created our society like that and it is just one of the ways societies are shaped across the world. The problem occurs when people either misuse this (qabyaalad) or try to deny its existence (fake Somalinimo).

Since idependence, we've been trying to deny this reality. We tried to ban it, we tried to hide it, we tried to force other ideologies, yet it still wouldn't go away. In the end, it blew up in all our faces in 1991. At that point, rather than accept reality, we chose to keep ignoring it at large except for some minor adjustments (4.5). Ilaa ay Soomaalidu run isu sheegto, heshiini mayno. We need to tell each other the truth if we want to true peace and to move on.

To do that, we firstly need a new clan census. The last such one was under colonial rule and there's a reason why the colonialists did it: they new our reality and due to their degree of separation they had no issue accepting it. Before we sit down and decide how we will live together as a state and share resources, we firstly need to know sida loo kala badan yahay iyo sida loo kala deggen yahay. We need a new clan census.

India, another tribal based society along caste lines, recently just published it's first caste census since indepenedence (the last one under the British was in 1931). Ironically, the so-called upper caste laandheeres only formed 15% of the population and the looma-ooyaan lower castes formed 85% https://www.aljazeera.com/features/...census-in-india-threatens-modis-grip-on-power

L india, but many of us aren't clannists, and others are ditching that over the greater good.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Those are ethnicities with their own traditions and languages

I think the hierarchical growth flows from this order: cliques, clans, and tribes of disparate groups, which form an ethnicity, which further mutates unto a nation.

 

[mohammdov]

Worst idea: This will make things worse

 

[Garaad Hirabu]

All of the western, Japan, Korea all use all you own is your private adress your living in. Everything else is state and national cooperation owned. If you want to invest you have to go through the state with your national insurance number. No tribe should be allowed to earn an inch of land.

 

[Garaad Hirabu]

The mongols are a tribal nomadic societies with camels and cattle, yet they use the all lands is owned by state.

 

[Haragwaafi]

I think the hierarchical growth flows from this order: cliques, clans, and tribes of disparate groups, which form an ethnicity, which further mutates unto a nation.

How's clan census beneficial to Somalis but for bragging about that "my clan is the biggest"?

 

[MBADD]

How do you differentiate between Somalis in Somalia and Somalis in Ethiopia who cross the border?