Was Farmaajo a better president then Hassan sheikh Mohamud?

[mohamedismail]

Was Mohamud Abdullahi Farmaajo a better president then the current Hassan sheikh Mohamud?

In my personal opinion, so far I believe Farmaajo was a better president then Hassan sheikh. He was way more strategic and more calculated then Hassan sheikh.

Hassan sheikh has made multiple mistakes when it comes to his leadership decisions. He initiated a war against AS while not being millitarily ready to win this war. This has led to a failed war against AS as well as many SNA troops being xasuuqed.

Many people may have critisized Farmaajo for his lack of fighting against AS. But at the same time with foresight it is clear that Somali government was not equipt with the weapons nor numbers to win a war against AS. But instead Farmaajo spent his time building the SNA which long term would have guaranteed the defeat of AS. Now what is happening is that the focus of the nation is being guided towards a fight against Ethiopia.

Another mistake Hassan sheikh is currently making is rushing into a war with Ethiopia, especially with the fact that the people of Somalia are extremely divided and there is no untied front against Ethiopia. With certain states such as SWS and Jubbaland having thousands of Ethiopian troops entering and leaving the country at will.

It seems like now we are rushing into this war against Ethiopia which will lead to a proxy war with Egypt and Ethiopia fighting in Somalia. This could lead to many Somalis losing their lives in the crossfire between the two countries. This will be detrimental to Somalia and it's people.

I totally wholeheartedly believe that Farmaajo NN and his politics was x100 better then Hassan sheikh mohamud and his politics. Especially with the way he dealt with the politics and our neighbours. Somalia was way more stable under his leadership.

I also believe when it comes to 1 man 1 vote Farmaajo would definitely get more votes then Hassan sheikh. He has more population supporters compared to Hassan sheikh but it is only because of the 4.5 system that Hassan sheikh got re-elected. I also believe that Farmaajo has a valid chance of returning to the seat.

Thoughts do you guys agree?

 

[Revolutionarry]

Absolutely not!

HSM doesn't target oppositions using the SNA like farmaajo did
HSM is actually fighting alshabab even if he isn't winning.
HSM took a strong stance against Ethiopia, farmaajo didn't, in fact he said they are our brothers.
Farmaajo was the one to make Ethiopa believe that they can have access to Somali ports. I am not making up this one, he said so in one of his interviews.

The one thing farmajo was better at than HSM is that farmaajo wasn't corrupt. HSM filled up all key positions with family and clan mates.

 

[mohamedismail]

Absolutely not!

HSM doesn't target oppositions using the SNA like farmaajo did
HSM is actually fighting alshabab even if he isn't winning.
HSM took a strong stance against Ethiopia, farmaajo didn't, in fact he said they are our brothers.
Farmaajo was the one to make Ethiopa believe that they can have access to Somali ports. I am not making up this one, he said so in one of his interviews.

The one thing farmajo was better at than HSM is that farmaajo wasn't corrupt. HSM filled up all key positions with family and clan mates.

Everything you just said is true. But way out of context.

First of all simply fighting AS is not enough. The reality is that this fight against AS has been a complete failure.

Also Farmaajos stance when it comes to Ethiopia was much better. At the end of the Ethiopia is our neighbours and it is much better we coexist in peace rather them being in constant war. Ethopia while Farmaajo was president stopped interfering in our internal affairs and made sure to go directly to the FGS for any issues they had. This is a fact.

As for Farmaajo giving any ports to Ethiopia, this may be true. But today Ethiopia is trying to take one of Somalias coastlines without any permission or even talks with the FGS. This is directly challenging Somalias soverieignity.

 

[Revolutionarry]

Everything you just said is true. But way out of context.

First of all simply fighting AS is not enough. The reality is that this fight against AS has been a complete failure.

Also Farmaajos stance when it comes to Ethiopia was much better. At the end of the Ethiopia is our neighbours and it is much better we coexist in peace rather them being in constant war. Ethopia while Farmaajo was president stopped interfering in our internal affairs and made sure to go directly to the FGS for any issues they had. This is a fact.

As for Farmaajo giving any ports to Ethiopia, this may be true. But today Ethiopia is trying to take one of Somalias coastlines without any permission or even talks with the FGS. This is directly challenging Somalias soverieignity.

Ethiopia were killing people in Baydhabo to rig an election in favor of Farmajo, you call that no meddling? Comon. Also, I have no doubt if he was president today, Ethiopia would have already have a port.
Thank God he is gone. He was giving his opportunity and unfortunately he failed.

 

[Pastoralist]

If your free from bias and look at the resume’s of both men. It’s quite obvious. Farmajo and SNA were not outright attacking AS, but anytime AS met them the khawarji got massacred.

You have to honest sometimes and look at the facts. Farmaajo had weapons specialists, airforce, NATO trained soldiers, and turned NISA into “one of the best intelligence agencies in Africa”. If anyone talked shit about Somalia they were soon to be arrested (Matt Bryden and Rashid Abdi) until HSM dropped the case against them.

I cannot name how many incredible things he did for the nation. There’s too many. Somalia would be perfect if there was a HG leader like farmaajo who had influence in xamar, that way they couldn’t unakah leh him out.

 

[Gaandheri]

When it comes to foreign policy yes but not internal affairs.

 

[IKHALIIL]

When it comes to foreign policy yes but not internal affairs.

Giving our eternal cadow ports is good foreign policy?

 

[Gaandheri]

Giving our eternal cadow ports is good foreign policy?

Proof?

 

[IKHALIIL]

Absolutely not!

HSM doesn't target oppositions using the SNA like farmaajo did
HSM is actually fighting alshabab even if he isn't winning.
HSM took a strong stance against Ethiopia, farmaajo didn't, in fact he said they are our brothers.
Farmaajo was the one to make Ethiopa believe that they can have access to Somali ports. I am not making up this one, he said so in one of his interviews.

The one thing farmajo was better at than HSM is that farmaajo wasn't corrupt. HSM filled up all key positions with family and clan mates.

Between hassan and farmajo, farmajoo was far more corrupt to the extent that a single government post was held by more than one person in the districts of xamar. Xassan is just dumb giving close family visible positions in government and doesn't give a shit about PR. Farmajo was bringing in his own clan mates to take government jobs but he was just more discreet about it.
What key governments positions did xassan give to his clan mates that aren't the already 4.5 related positions?

 

[IKHALIIL]

Proof?

In speech when he said that ethiopia should be given a port by somalia even they don't have money to build a port

 

[Gaandheri]

In speech when he said that ethiopia should be given a port by somalia even they don't have money to build a port

He said joint investment not Ethiopia owning them but I need proof like documents.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

HSM
1. Corruption
2. Incredibly bad handling of the offensive against Alshaydaan, 2 thousand troops dead.
3. terrible foreign policy
4. spike in clan wars/skirmishes and aano qabil
5. spike in general crime including some we never heard of before
6. Weak government and political deadlock

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

I have no doubt if he was president today, Ethiopia would have already have a port.

Farmaajo was using our long coastline and several ports as a bargaining chip when negotiating Ethiopia, HSM was simply by passed and ignored. Ensuring territorial integrity isn't a military affair that is last resort it is first political and legal issue.

Keeping that in mind the broker of this deal is UAE, I don't know why you are obsessed with Ethiopia exclusively and ignoring HSM biggest ally the UAE who are not only brokering the deal but have a largest stake in it.

We can say HSM isn't ally of Ethiopia but his ally UAE are the ones brokering it. As for Farmaajo he isn't even here and when he was UAE had no power in Somalia and Ethiopia would not dare do this.

 

[IKHALIIL]

Farmajo
1.Corruption
2.Khawarij infiltration of key government institutions
3.Treason
5.Constant political issues with federal member states
6.Tribalism
7.Ciyaal weero
8.No security in the capital
9.Constant carbombings
10.Bajaaj drivers and passengers killed by Police regularly

 

[IKHALIIL]

He said joint investment not Ethiopia owning them but I need proof like documents.

He even says they don't have capital to build a port so where are they going to get the money to invest in the first place
By the way having an investment means having ownership rights so they would in effect have ownership over a somali port in that scenario

 

[IKHALIIL]

First of all simply fighting AS is not enough.

Says a guy whose entire "people" are being held hostage by them.
More proof this guy is not somali. He doesn't want his "people" to be free like the ones who are now farming and herding their animals without any threats to their life and property.

 

[Almis]

I respect farmaajo on one thing he did. When he stopped the 4k somali women that was going to saudi to be maids that HSM initiated and even defended it

 

[Pastoralist]

Farmajo
1.Corruption
2.Khawarij infiltration of key government institutions
3.Treason
5.Constant political issues with federal member states
6.Tribalism
7.Ciyaal weero
8.No security in the capital
9.Constant carbombings
10.Bajaaj drivers and passengers killed by Police regularly

Don’t you find it strange that AS are even stronger with SNA weapons and 40k fighters now than they were with Farmaajo when they only numbered 10-20k and less weaponry. And farmaajo had more assassination attempts on his life? They even attacked the Villa. Yet HSM is fine as day with AS being all over mogadishu now

And bro I remember the reports back in the day and videos of AS getting slaughtered, with very little SNA dead. Under HSM 2000 SNA died, that’s more than Farmaajo’s entire term. AS back in the day were so threatened by our armed forces that they went after regular civilians.

 

[Abaq]

Farmajo was just a figurehead. The real genius was Fahd Yasin

 

[Pastoralist]

Farmajo was just a figurehead. The real genius was Fahd Yasin

This is literally the biggest facts here. Djibouti tried to assassinate him on his flight from turkey because of his domination. HSM wanted Fahad to work with him too, I would have preferred If he did, but there was huge lack of trust after how many times the opposition tried to get rid of him.