Somaliland and Somalia have always been seperate

[Futurist]

Why do people pretend there is this prophesy that all Somalis will be united under chaotic Mogadishu? The hopeless politicians in Mogadishu couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

As Somalis we are North and South. Wayooyi Somaliland and Koonfur Somalia (anything east and south of Erigabo). We have always been two separate lands and peoples. This is the case throughout history. We just share a common language.

Even as far back as the 12th - 16th century we were two seperate lands. Adal Sultanate and Ajuuraan sultanate.

Our cultures are different. Our dialects are different. Our values & norms are different. Our food is different. Our histories are different. Our economies are different. Even culture as basic as ciyaaar Soomaali v.s Niiko koonfuri.

We were never united. We shall probably be never united. It is the better way. Somalis have always succeeded as two parts - North and South. The Somali lands are too big to rule from chaotic Mogadishu.

But we can work together economically.

 

[Yonis]

Sultanate of Adal was basically Hararis, Afars, and Harti ruled by Yemeni king. Isaaq had very little to do with it. And Ajuuran are as different from the north east as they are from waqooyi galbeed.

 

[Yonis]

I agree. Puntland should join Somaliland and form one country.

then we'll work side by side as allies. sounds great to me.

Somalia extends from Ras Kambooni to Saylac and it will remain this way forever. One unified Somalia will be the objective for us all

 

[nine]

We are all Somalis and have the same culture. There are differences between clan and area of residence just like any other ethnicity.
Your cousins go to Garowe for passports.
Cry us the Nugaal Valley if you want.

Control your borders Why is Buhoodle not "liberated from rebels"?? Control your borders. Somaliland is not a qaran, it is qabiil hubeysan. We all know that. Stop with this bullshit waryaa. Atleast be honest like @Huncho

 

[nine]

Sultanate of Adal was basically Hararis, Afars, and Harti ruled by Yemeni king. Isaaq had very little to do with it. And Ajuuran are as different from the north east as they are from waqooyi galbeed.

He's not mentioning the Daarood expansions in the south. A lot of us have only been present there as recent as the late 1800s.

The Adal area has been a historical homeland for Somalis.

 

[Futurist]

Sultanate of Adal was basically Hararis, Afars, and Harti ruled by Yemeni king. Isaaq had very little to do with it. And Ajuuran are as different from the north east as they are from waqooyi galbeed.

Bollocks. Fucking bollocks.

We all know who resides in those regions. Demographics tells you about the history of a region. They are both irrelvant for purposes of analysis

Hararis are a tiny minority. Afars have no cities to speak of and are a small population.

The Adal sultanate was a combination of all northern Somali clans with the majority being Isaaq. This is simple looking at the demographics. Be honest

 

[Futurist]

Somalia extends from Ras Kambooni to Saylac and it will remain this way forever. One unified Somalia will be the objective for us all

Somaliland will NEVER unite with the South, God willing. NEVER.

We will rather wage a hundred year war if we have to

We will rather search for independence for 1,000 years

The crimes that South Somalis committed against SL is UNFORGIVEABLE

We gave up blood, sweat, tears for Somaliland. We gave up tens of thousands of our people. We have dignity. We have honour. It would be an affront to our dead and fallen if we reunited with South Somalia.

The evidence of reer Koonfur crimes against SL is well documented. Never again

 

[nine]

@Futurist Should we remind you that Mareexaan had family killed who were fighting English and their Isaaq lackeys? Should they advocate for MX independence? Don't come with SNM bullshit and cry about getting bombed.


However, it was the actual migration towards the Juba of Marehan who had fought with Sheikh Mohammad that had the most important impact on that area.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...rotectorate1/4CC6119AE3836685C6647005C6523C31

 

[nine]

Bollocks. Fucking bollocks.

We all know who resides in those regions. Demographics tells you about the history of a region. They are both irrelvant for purposes of analysis

Hararis are a tiny minority. Afars have no cities to speak of and are a small population.

The Adal sultanate was a combination of all northern Somali clans with the majority being Isaaq. This is simple looking at the demographics. Be honest

Demographics today and the demographics before are not the same. Are you serious?????

 

[Futurist]

@Futurist Should we remind you that Mareexaan had family killed who were fighting English and their Isaaq lackeys?

We all know who was kissing the feet and hands of British officials

Dont front

 

[Futurist]

Demographics today and the demographics before are not the same. Are you serious?????

Jeses fucking christ

does your brain work?

So according to you demographics has no bearing or impact whatsoever on the socio-economic structures of a state like Adal? It would have left traces and it did. Somaliland is the modern day Adal Republic

 

[nine]

We all know who was kissing the feet and hands of British officials

Dont front

Yeah it was you guys. MX were not part of the 1880s treaties. Do you see reer gedo calling for independence because of the north???

 

[Boqor]

Bollocks. Fucking bollocks.

We all know who resides in those regions. Demographics tells you about the history of a region. They are both irrelvant for purposes of analysis

Hararis are a tiny minority. Afars have no cities to speak of and are a small population.

The Adal sultanate was a combination of all northern Somali clans with the majority being Isaaq. This is simple looking at the demographics. Be honest

Am I going to believe a cuqdad filled handicap or a book written by Arab scholars at the time who had more knowledge of "bilad al habash"?

Adal sultanate was mainly Daroods and Dir and a few Isaaqs and Hawiyes.

Stop claiming Darood history fucking weirdo

You are a complete and utter retard if you think clan borders are the same today as they were back then.

 

[nine]

Jeses fucking christ

does your brain work?

So according to you demographics has no bearing or impact whatsoever on the socio-economic structures of a state like Adal? It would have left traces and it did. Somaliland is the modern day Adal Republic

The SL region has been a historic part of history for Somalis , no just Isaaq.
The demographics today and before were very different. MX had a presence in SL. They were regarded as one of the clans of northern somaliland. We moved south.

 

[Futurist]

I will present more evidence of the Northern Somali civilisation and the Southern Somali civilisations

Yeah it was you guys. MX were not part of the 1880s treaties. Do you see reer gedo calling for independence because of the north???

You must be braindead. MX could not have been part of them because they DONT reside inside Somaliland einstein. Somaliland is nothing to do with MX, just as it is nothing to do with HW or MJ.

You pointed out an important part of SL political history though. We had TREATIES with strict rules governing the British and limiting their presence and activities.

Somaliland in any case was a Protectorate. Not a COLONY like in the South of Somalia. It was an effective tool in the era of the 'Scamble for Africa' to have political relations with Britain to enable the British to deny other colonial powers a foothold in the Northern Somali Peninsula, on the condition that the British did not have big settlements in Somaliland, only a light touch presence. Somaliland was for the most part self governing.

The colony that was SOMALIA ITALIANA instead had upto 60,000 Italians colonial settlers. They had a massive cathedral. They taught the population Italian. They had enormous plantations with bantu slaves.

 

[nine]

I will present more evidence of the Northern Somali civilisation and the Southern Somali civilisations


You must be braindead. MX could not have been part of them because they DONT reside inside Somaliland einstein. Somaliland is nothing to do with MX

Firstly exactly we had fucking TREATIES with strict rules governing the British and limiting their presence and activities.

Somaliland in any case was a Protectorate. Not a COLONY like in the South of Somalia. It was an effective tool in the era of the 'Scamble for Africa' to have political relations with Britain to enable the British to deny other colonial powers a foothold in the Northern Somali Peninsula, on the condition that the British did not have big settlements in Somaliland, only a light touch presence. Somaliland was for the most part self governing.

The colony that was SOMALIA ITALIANA instead had upto 60,000 Italians colonial settlers. They had a massive cathedral. They taught the population Italian. They had enormous plantations with bantu slaves.

Read my above post.
However, it was the actual migration towards the Juba of Marehan who had fought with Sheikh Mohammad that had the most important impact on that area

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...rotectorate1/4CC6119AE3836685C6647005C6523C31

 

[Futurist]

The SL region has been a historic part of history for Somalis , no just Isaaq.
The demographics today and before were very different. MX had a presence in SL. They were regarded as one of the clans of northern somaliland. We moved south.

Somalis have always had two groups of cultures

Waqooyi

Koonfur

Everbody knows this

 

[Futurist]

Somalis have never historically been united.

We have been most peaceful and economically successful when each region governed itself.

History is testament to this. We had two groups of Sultanates with overlapping and competing borders only within each region e.g. North and South. But the north never ruled over the south. The south never ruled over the south.

Adal
Ift
Majeerteenia
Warsangeli

Ajuuraan
Gabroon
Mogadishu sultanate

The largest politically centralised structures Somalis have had has been Adal Sultante and Ajuuraan Sultanate. Even our economies were never integrated. This is simply because of geography. Hargeisa is 1,500KM from Mogadishu. That is the same distance as London to Prague, or Brussels to Rome. The cultural, social, political difference is just too great.

Our history is our reality. It is our present. It is also our future.

We will return to Adal (Somalialnd) and Ajuuraan (Somalia). The two centers of Somali civilisation. As we have been since the 10th century at least.

 

[nine]

Somalis have never historically been united.

We have been most peaceful and economically successful when each region governed itself.

History is testament to this. We had two groups of Sultanates

Adal
Ift
Majeerteenia
Warsangeli

Ajuuraan
Gabroon
Mogadishu sultanate

The north never ruled over the south. The south never ruled over the south. The largest politically centralised structures have been Adal Sultante and Ajuuraan Sultanate. Even our economies were never integrated. This is simply because of geography. Hargeisa is 1,500KM from Mogadishu. That is the same distance as London to Prague, or Brussels to Rome. The cultural, social, political difference is just as great.

Our history is our present. It is also our future.

We will return to Adal and Ajuuraan. The two centers of Somali civilisation.

You don't want Cadal back. Mareexaan will be on your doorstep. SL will be unstable with us in it.

 

[Futurist]

MX has nothing to do with SL. They are nowhere near it. It logically and demographically does not make sense.

You are telling us MX is like 'without a trace'. Kidnapped from SL to the south?

Cmon