Puntland Multi-Party Politics Baffles Me

[DR OSMAN]

I am against Puntland Multi-party politics on philosophical grounds. Their is no successful democracy in the world without their population having a high human capital in terms of literacy and education and financial security. Every democracy that lacks these foundation is a failed democracy. In my view PL should've of continued development and increasing those metrics not rush to democracy.

Either way PL has moved towards multi-party politics even if I consider it un-wise. Now my question is where are the party manifesto(mabdac), fekerkooda(philosophy) barnamijkooda(their programs following their manifesto and philosophy). All parties must have this basic foundation and it must be transparent to the public using the media, local/diaspora engagement, facebook/website.

The following areas must be addressed by all Parties. Their feker and programs must be transparent and accessible to all;

1. Dhaqaale Dhisid(market development) will it be free-market like 1960-1969, socialist like 1969-1991, Black market post 91? A mixed model
2. Security Program. Both External/Internal
3. Socio-economic, their feker and programs around Education-Health-Infrastructure-Public facilities
4. Decentralization Program
5. Federalism Model with the SFG. Such as Confederation/Hybrid/PL Model Federalism
6. Good governance, Rule of Law, Institutions, Market Laws Programs
7. Legal Architecture(Common law, Customary, Islamic or a mix)
8. Food security/independence program

 

[bidenkulaha]

I see you’re having doubts after Deni purchased an opposition party and handed it to one of his corrupt loyalists . The further this shoddy democracy goes the worse PL’s prospects get.

Our elite self selecting system is much better than this crap

 

[DR OSMAN]

I see you’re having doubts after Deni purchased an opposition party and handed it to one of his corrupt loyalists . The further this shoddy democracy goes the worse PL’s prospects get.

Our elite self selecting system is much better than this crap

I don't worship people or niin xaarayo like the south, Im not stuck in ur cycle of 'hebel hebel siyasi iyo qiyano buu sameeye' revolving door. I prefer discussing state craft, this isn't for ur intellect level, adigu wax kasto waa lagu keena and then u spend all ur time on 'hebel hebel siyasi'. U don't understand state-craft and system, becuz u believe in 'person' is 'powerful' and system is weak.

 

[bidenkulaha]

I don't worship people or niin xaarayo like the south, Im not stuck in ur cycle of 'hebel hebel siyasi iyo qiyano buu sameeye' revolving door. I prefer discussing state craft, this isn't for ur intellect level, adigu wax kasto waa lagu keena and then u spend all ur time on 'hebel hebel siyasi'. U don't understand state-craft and system, becuz u believe in 'person' is 'powerful' and system is weak.

If HSM did what Deni has done next election, I’ll withdraw my support and consider Somalia a failed state without a future.

 

[DR OSMAN]

If HSM did what Deni has done next election, I’ll withdraw my support and consider Somalia a failed state without a future.

Can u plz not ruin the thread as it's focused on systems, state-craft and not individuals. I could seriously care less for the individual but care more 4 the system and it being perfect, becuz the 'system' keeps ppl in check and towards productivity not the other way around.

U lack the capacity doesn't mean u need to bring back down to hebel deni hebel hsm level. What will make my homeland great isn't 'leader' but the system that FORCES that leader to make PL great becuz it was designed in such way it cannot go anywhere else.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Can u plz not ruin the thread as it's focused on systems, state-craft and not individuals. I could seriously care less for the individual but care more 4 the system and it being perfect, becuz the 'system' keeps ppl in check and towards productivity not the other way around.

U lack the capacity doesn't mean u need to bring back down to hebel deni hebel hsm level. What will make my homeland great isn't 'leader' but the system that FORCES that leader to make PL great becuz it was designed in such way it cannot go anywhere else.

No matter the system, if you have a rotten apple leading it will destroy it. You see this recently in the West

 

[DR OSMAN]

No matter the system, if you have a rotten apple leading it will destroy it. You see this recently in the West

Yes I agree if the ppl r rotten the system itself will decay-rot before it loses public confidence followed by international confidence and then it IMPLODES. But the issue isn't individual problem as the people problem itself is 'systemic' no matter who the leader is, it keeps recurring. That's 'systemic' that 'system' issue. The system being 'cultural' and I've provided models to address that but has fallen on deaf ears.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha this addresses models and solutions to that 'system' problem leading to all our leaders or society showing 'systemic' problem which is beyond 1 or 2 ppl anomolies, if it 'recurs' constantly, that is a 'system' problem not an individual problem.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/somalia-needs-new-culture-not-systems.153857/#post-3762666

 

[bidenkulaha]

Yes I agree if the ppl r rotten the system itself will decay-rot before it loses public confidence followed by international confidence and then it IMPLODES. But the issue isn't individual problem as the people problem itself is 'systemic' no matter who the leader is, it keeps recurring. That's 'systemic' that 'system' issue. The system being 'cultural' and I've provided models to address that but has fallen on deaf ears.

I believe unfortunately our IQ is too low to not produce a great many rotten apples. There’s also an issue that because our institutions are weak, there’s no perfect system as it’s the institutions that protect the system from being abused.

This is why I put a great deal of emphasis on the leader.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I believe unfortunately our IQ is too low to not produce a great many rotten apples. There’s also an issue that because our institutions are weak, there’s no perfect system as it’s the institutions that protect the system from being abused.

This is why I put a great deal of emphasis on the leader.

I put emphasis on the 'culture' that produced that 'leader' becuz if it was 1 or 2 bad leaders u cud dismiss it as an anomoly, but when the leadership is constantly rotten, it can only mean that 'cultural system itself is rotten', to fix it, it is pointless focusing on the leader as the next one 90% chance will be the same OR WORSE becuz it's a cultural issue a system issue itself. Even if for some miracle a leader that is universally loved emerged, the culture he is operating in itself will restrict him from doing anything.

The other reason why I don't focus on them, the govt style we adopted the human element is very 'ceromonial'. For example, in PL multi party, the nominated 'candidate' to run is 'weak', he will be told what the party policies are, he can't CREATE 'Siyasad' that's how 'weak' the human element will be. U r to connected to 'abbe siyad' model, where the human leader 'mattered'.

In PL we love to ensure the system is as strong-robust and ensures the leader just 'follows' it nothing else. We don't want to risk our region to a human being.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha u will appreciate the power of system when u fully grasp it. Irirism is a 'system' u think I care 4 HSM or Ina Salad or Ismacil Omar Geele or individuals who promote the system? I focus on the 'system' itself and what it can produce such as 4.5, north/south, centralism, etc. I will never waste my time focusing on all irir siyasi, becuz waxay ku jiran 'system' and that system manifesto is 'elimination of darod' ka bacdi waxay uu samayan 'programs' like 4.5, centralism, north/south'. The INDIVIDUAL is 'irrelevant' markay system timado. Unfortunately that is the ONLY system your clans ever produced IRIRISM kkkkkkk.