Prof. Xasan Sh. Cali explains why secession is a bigger threat the Khwarij

[Thegoodshepherd]

Secessionism as a project threatens the physical basis of Somalia as a nation-state, while the kabab insurgency is a threat to the idea of the nation-state. This is what most people don’t understand. Kabab is gonorrhea, secession is full-blown AIDS.

Listen from min 6:55 to the end.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You can't reduce people and land by drawing new internal borders. He's just a Somaliweyn advocate nothing deeper than that.

 

[Magaffe]

Another inciteful post.

I wonder how long its gonna take for us to rid ourselves of the political elite ready to sell everything to the lowest bidder.

You can't reduce people and land by drawing new internal borders. He's just a Somaliweyn advocate nothing deeper than that.

You can get rid of al-shabab but you can't recreate your nation when it gets carved up.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You can get rid of al-shabab but you can't recreate your nation when it gets carved up.

It's already carved up by the people themselves. There is no Somali nation as it once existed 30 years ago. Without the peoples consent you can't put it back together. Trying to do it by force will end up the same way.

 

[galhareeri]

It's already carved up by the people themselves. There is no Somali nation as it once existed 30 years ago. Without the peoples consent you can't put it back together. Trying to do it by force will end up the same way.

Dude lets see ibcant wait when we start the anti somalidiid wars.

 

[Macawisley]

Secessionism as a project threatens the physical basis of Somalia as a nation-state, while the kabab insurgency is a threat to the idea of the nation-state. This is what most people don’t understand. Kabab is gonorrhea, secession is full-blown AIDS.

Listen from min 6:55 to the end.

No one will allow the 7 shape to be dismantled. we cannot allow it under any circumstances.

 

[Sup]

It's already carved up by the people themselves. There is no Somali nation as it once existed 30 years ago. Without the peoples consent you can't put it back together. Trying to do it by force will end up the same way.

That quite ironic, considering your trying to force the people of SSC into your little “imaginary republic”

 

[Yazi]

I did not see the video but 2 things might happen:

1- When Somaliland gains recognition Somalis will finally realize the gravity of the situation and work together to get rid of Al Shabaab. Implement a new system of governance away from 4.5 & federalism.

2- The recognition of Somaliland does very little to incite Somalia into action. The statue quo remains and overtime many "Somaliland" like projects prop up everywhere.


Adopt or die. If Somalis don't get their shit together after 35 years maybe we weren't meant to be together and Somalis are better off Balkan-ized Yoqoslavia style.

 

[Yazi]

I'm all for Republic of Awdal, Republic of Darood ( Much of Sool, eastern Sanaag, Bari, Nugaal and northern Mudug)

Republic of Hawiye (Southern Mudug, much of Galgaduud, Hiraan, M. Shebelle & Banadiir)

Republic of Rahanweyn (Bay, Bakool, Lower Shabelle + their extensions in Gedo & M.Juba)

Republic of Azania ( Much of Lower Juba, Gedo and northern half of M.Juba ... Possible enclaves in Bakool & Galgaduud)


It's time we leave behind this silly notion of Somalinimo & Somaliweyn ... Clan Countries are the future.

 

[Sup]

I'm all for Republic of Awdal, Republic of Darood ( Much of Sool, eastern Sanaag, Bari, Nugaal and northern Mudug)

Republic of Hawiye (Southern Mudug, much of Galgaduud, Hiraan, M. Shebelle & Banadiir)

Republic of Rahanweyn (Bay, Bakool, Lower Shabelle + their extensions in Gedo & M.Juba)

Republic of Azania ( Much of Lower Juba, Gedo and northern half of M.Juba ... Possible enclaves in Bakool & Galgaduud)


It's time we leave behind this silly notion of Somalinimo & Somaliweyn ... Clan Countries are the future.

It’s not 1538 bc, that’ll never happen bud.

 

[XuseenS]

I'm all for Republic of Awdal, Republic of Darood ( Much of Sool, eastern Sanaag, Bari, Nugaal and northern Mudug)

Republic of Hawiye (Southern Mudug, much of Galgaduud, Hiraan, M. Shebelle & Banadiir)

Republic of Rahanweyn (Bay, Bakool, Lower Shabelle + their extensions in Gedo & M.Juba)

Republic of Azania ( Much of Lower Juba, Gedo and northern half of M.Juba ... Possible enclaves in Bakool & Galgaduud)


It's time we leave behind this silly notion of Somalinimo & Somaliweyn ... Clan Countries are the future.

Never gonna happen.

 

[Yazi]

I degrees, when we become a separate country we'll finally see which clans can thrive on their own and who's a dead end, net negative. Rahanweyn & southern Darood will need some help to get rid of Al Shabaab but other than that all other states should be doing just fine, if not then I'm just glad we're out of this shit show. Somaliland recognition will be a game changer, for the best or worst that depends on Somalia's reaction. I hope it leads to the Clan Country scenario.

There is no logical reason to stick behind Somalia, imagine the whole country at standstill because couple sub clans in the remote south can't get their shit together and everyone at eachothers throat. Waiting for 31st of January.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Secessionism as a project threatens the physical basis of Somalia as a nation-state, while the kabab insurgency is a threat to the idea of the nation-state. This is what most people don’t understand. Kabab is gonorrhea, secession is full-blown AIDS.

Listen from min 6:55 to the end.

The following statement has greater weight than the one you underscored, and negates his whole argument.

• 'Dhul Somaliyed lama taaban karo': min 0600.

In referencing anthropogenic existential threats to nation states, the good Prof. is advancing what is known in global politics as 'material revolution' camouflaged in national security, the deadliest threat to human civilisation. If one pays close attention, the good Prof. reduced the entire case to 'commerce' by, and for foreign nations. Bright students, at Yale & Harvard, of International Relations shall have a field day dissecting, if dichotomising his lecture, which only peeks interest in neophyte enthusiasts of modern geopolitics, purely from a financial angle; folly in his analyses could easily be detected, but that is a matter for keen minds on the subject.

His core argument is grounded on colonial legacy and ideology, even if he is arguing against it, in the spirit of nationalism, but not in the interest of [all] Somalis. President Hasan Sh. makes similar arguments, and it is as if they have been fed from the same chalice: a theme popular with Xamar-centric elites. Here is the problem with the ill-born arguments of the Xamar-centric elites: they do not consider S Galbeed and NFD Somali territories, argue against irredentism (greater .So of all Somali territories), and by extension any arguments they present against secessionism, as in the case of SL, is baseless at best, if indefensible at worse. To put it succinctly, had it not been for the 1960 unification, they would not have been making this 'nationalist' argument, or discussing matters concerning SL. Theirs is solely informed by self-preservation, and not by the greater good of the national interest.

Xamar-centric elites hardly ever articulate this point, but here is the overarching sentiment one hears in their discourse: A future shape of Somali lands:

• In favour of North-South Confederacy. This is advanced by the view the North (SL) would eventually settle for Confederacy. Do bear in mind, this is grounded on colonial legacy, and it is as if Somali history and existence started with European colonisers in the 1890s, and darn anything, which existed before the Saancadaale set foot on Somali lands.
• Wholly and aggressively opposed to federalism, which the East (PL / SSC-Khatumo) champions.
• Would bet their all on Centralism, which they consider greatly benefits the South. FMSs like SW, JL, GM, and HS are considered within the fold, and as Laftagareen stated: 'they turn wherever direction the purse holder dictates'.
• Conceptually agree, and accept S Galbeed as part of greater Habasha.
• NFD does not even enter their equation, and could not care less as to its future state, ceded to Kikuya or not.
• Consider Jibouti a non-Somali territory.

This is circa. 1949 all over again.

I argue:

• Neither SL nor al Shabab pose existential threats to Somali nation state.
• Somali territories are victim to competing, if diverging geopolitical interests, and
• Somali political elites are only advancing said interests.

 

[Galool]

I did not see the video but 2 things might happen:

1- When Somaliland gains recognition Somalis will finally realize the gravity of the situation and work together to get rid of Al Shabaab. Implement a new system of governance away from 4.5 & federalism.

2- The recognition of Somaliland does very little to incite Somalia into action. The statue quo remains and overtime many "Somaliland" like projects prop up everywhere.


Adopt or die. If Somalis don't get their shit together after 35 years maybe we weren't meant to be together and Somalis are better off Balkan-ized Yoqoslavia style.

I degrees, when we become a separate country we'll finally see which clans can thrive on their own and who's a dead end, net negative. Rahanweyn & southern Darood will need some help to get rid of Al Shabaab but other than that all other states should be doing just fine, if not then I'm just glad we're out of this shit show. Somaliland recognition will be a game changer, for the best or worst that depends on Somalia's reaction. I hope it leads to the Clan Country scenario.

There is no logical reason to stick behind Somalia, imagine the whole country at standstill because couple sub clans in the remote south can't get their shit together and everyone at eachothers throat. Waiting for 31st of January.

Have you ever studied anything and learned about the world outside your clan secessionist ideology which was created for you by gaalo?

Dividing Muslims into smaller and smaller sub groups or any people for that matter makes them weaker and easier to control. That is a simple fact about the world.

You and your ilk advocate to weaken and subject Somalis to other groups forever while most others advocate growth and strength. That is how secessionist think it is okay to give their land to Ethiopians while Muslims fought for centuries to keep them out. Why you think it’s okay for your leader to go to Israel and appear os Israeli tv without backlash. Why many of your advocates spend time telling gaalo colonials you’re the “good” ones and not rebellious terrorists and pirates. The fact that some of you still can’t see that and why most Somalis and Muslims are disgusted and repulsed by it is insane.


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[Almis]

So in other words Isaaq is the biggest threat to Somalia even bigger than AS what a sick bastard. These fools keep downplaying AS and minimizing their danger until they wake up with another attack by AS just like what happened last week. Maangaabkani professornimadiisa waxay noqotay ari yar oo english kolba tuurow " waxa la dhaaha geobuulitika ayydantiti waaye"

 

[Abdixakim]

So in other words Isaaq is the biggest threat to Somalia even bigger than AS what a sick bastard. These fools keep downplaying AS and minimizing their danger until they wake up with another attack by AS just like what happened last week. Maangaabkani professornimadiisa waxay noqotay ari yar oo english kolba tuurow " waxa la dhaaha geobuulitika ayydantiti waaye"

Did you just admit Somali Land is an Isaaq state? Lmao

 

[Warzio7]

That quite ironic, considering your trying to force the people of SSC into your little “imaginary republic”

When we’re recognised it won’t be imaginary republic anymore will it? lol. If “SSC” try’s to succeed from Somaliland we will call them a fake state /country for the next 30 years. Lol and we’ll call them Somalilandiid, faqash raac. Lol

 

[Yazi]

Have you ever studied anything and learned about the world outside your clan secessionist ideology which was created for you by gaalo?

Dividing Muslims into smaller and smaller sub groups or any people for that matter makes them weaker and easier to control. That is a simple fact about the world.

You and your ilk advocate to weaken and subject Somalis to other groups forever while most others advocate growth and strength. That is how secessionist think it is okay to give their land to Ethiopians while Muslims fought for centuries to keep them out. Why you think it’s okay for your leader to go to Israel and appear os Israeli tv without backlash. Why many of your advocates spend time telling gaalo colonials you’re the “good” ones and not rebellious terrorists and pirates. The fact that some of you still can’t see that and why most Somalis and Muslims are disgusted and repulsed by it is insane.


Yinon Plan

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I don't need to read anything to know Somalia is an unsustainable project on life support and we're better off independent from this 0 sum game. Your scarring tactics and appeals to Somalinimo is a hot bubble, last thing in our mind is the hoax called Somaliweyn. Hopefully Somalia breaks into more countries.

 

[Sufyan]

I'm all for Republic of Awdal, Republic of Darood ( Much of Sool, eastern Sanaag, Bari, Nugaal and northern Mudug)

Republic of Hawiye (Southern Mudug, much of Galgaduud, Hiraan, M. Shebelle & Banadiir)

Republic of Rahanweyn (Bay, Bakool, Lower Shabelle + their extensions in Gedo & M.Juba)

Republic of Azania ( Much of Lower Juba, Gedo and northern half of M.Juba ... Possible enclaves in Bakool & Galgaduud)


It's time we leave behind this silly notion of Somalinimo & Somaliweyn ... Clan Countries are the future.

Can never and will never happen . Not only cause its a silly idea but because the world wont accept it . There’s so many huge ethnicities that dont have their own country but somalis will have 7 ? ( including Djibouti )

Thats 7 votes in the un , over 10% of countries in africa will be somali , 12.5% of muslim majority countries will be somali ? Whose gonna accept that . Especially when all 7 countries are broke asf

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

When we’re recognised it won’t be imaginary republic anymore will it? lol. If “SSC” try’s to succeed from Somaliland we will call them a fake state /country for the next 30 years. Lol and we’ll call them Somalilandiid, faqash raac.

This is impossible. Time is against Somaliland. The gap in fertility between Isaaq and Harti is larger than the gap between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria.