I got my 23andme DNA results 🤨

[Libaax-Joore]

I'm with you, I'd rather wait for the results.

Either way, this is a pretty interesting discussion.

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[Somalihero]

Ignore him lol. Here's him claiming Duduble is Dir or Marehan

There are two Duduble on 23andme got E-V32, on other hand a friend of mine who lives in Stockholm is reer Dudub Gudibirse got T-L 208;

 

[Nilote]

Well nilotes in kenya tanzania and you could say to a degree uganda are to a large degree mixed with cushites. I think our kalenjin friend here can tell us that they call rain in their language rooba. There are a number of vocabularies they inherited from the original cushitic inhabitants of these three countries. They probably intermixed with population similar to arbore who is a somaloid people. Bantus also intermixed with cushites.

Here is a list of the cushitic vocabulary found in the proto language of the southern nilotes.

By the way he said that some of his cousins got e-m293 which i always thought came from either arabia or north africa. I think there were degodia, Murule and gaaljecel who by the way all belong to the same clan that got e-m293. This haplogroup might actually be ancient and might very well have come down from northern sudan along side our e-v32.

Correct for the numbers. 10 is "Taman" and 100 is "boqol" in Kalenjin. Some other common words we have:

Iyoo = "mother"
Abule = "uncle"
Siiyet = "fingernail"
Ropta = "rain"

Also, these words are general, but 2 Kalenjins might say the same words (above) differently, since the Kalenjin are a collection of tribes, each sub-tribe has its own dialect of Kalenjin. The Kalenjins closer to lake Turkana (Pokot) speak differently from those who border Masai (Kipsigis) in Narok. Some dialects have diverged slightly over centuries.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Correct for the numbers. 10 is "Taman" and 100 is "boqol" in Kalenjin. Some other common words we have:

Iyoo = "mother"
Abule = "uncle"
Siiyet = "fingernail"
Ropta = "rain"

Also, these words are general, but 2 Kalenjins might say the same words (above) differently, since the Kalenjin are a collection of tribes, each sub-tribe has its own dialect of Kalenjin. The Kalenjins closer to lake Turkana (Pokot) speak differently from those who border Masai (Kipsigis) in Narok. Some dialects have diverged slightly over centuries.

Interesting. You're kalenjin yourself right, if so where are you from? I know kalenjin are found everywhere from kenya, tanzania and uganda. Kalenjin also live in ethiopia if you consider the dasenech a kalenjin tribe that's been linguistically shifted towards the lowland east cushitic branch of the east cushitic language.

 

[Nilote]

Interesting. You're kalenjin yourself right, if so where are you from? I know kalenjin are found everywhere from kenya, tanzania and uganda. Kalenjin also live in ethiopia if you consider the dasenech a kalenjin tribe that's been linguistically shifted towards the lowland east cushitic branch of the east cushitic language.

I'm from the Kipsigis sub-tribe of Kalenjin, and my cousins with E-V32/E-M293 haplogroups are also Kipsigis. My ancestral homeland is in South Bomet county, where the highlands meet the plains of Narok (Maasai-land) and the hills of Kisii/Nyamira counties. Because we lived next to the Maasai & Kisii, we developed a bitter rivalry over the centuries: lots of cattle rustling and skirmishes, but also, lots of intermarriage and adoptions from war. That probably explains my Bantu and their Cushitic haplogroups. The place looks something like this:

Also, I did not realize the Dassanech were related to Kalenjins. But, our oral history + archeology points to us entering Kenya from the southwest Ethiopian highlands. So, it makes sense that we probably mixed with some Somali-like people there. And on top of that, some Kalenjins intermarry with the Samburu/Maasai who are mixed with Rendille (cousins of the Somali?). And lastly, there is one clan in Kalenjin called "Kap-iyorya" which was founded by a Somali woman and Kalenjin man. Overall, Kalenjins rarely take DNA tests. But, the handful of autosomal DNA results that I have seen average around 20-30% Cushitic and ~70-80% Nilotic + Bantu.

 

[Garaad diinle]

And lastly, there is one clan in Kalenjin called "Kap-iyorya" which was founded by a Somali woman and Kalenjin man.

Truly fascinating. By the way did you say Kap-iyorya? Honestly i initially read it as kabo-yare which means small shoe and it's a somali nickname kkk. Then again i might see connections where there are non so it probably doesn't mean much.

Also, I did not realize the Dassanech were related to Kalenjins. But, our oral history + archeology points to us entering Kenya from the southwest Ethiopian highlands. So, it makes sense that we probably mixed with some Somali-like people there.

I remember reading about some of their oral history that talked about their origin and even genetic tests points to their nilotic and niger congo heritage. This check very well with your oral story so i'd say they properly were either kalenjins or some other related group that intermixed with arbore another somaliod group and then had a linguistic shift afterwords.

Another question what do you think of the following vocabulary? Are they legit?

Besides Rendille mediated E-Y18629 lineages in Samburu-Maasai, I bet many Kalenjin have Somaloid specific E-Y18629 lineages. There's plenty Somaloid influence on their language.

The Daasanach, from the northern shores of lake Turkana, are considered the same people as Kalenjin but they're further along on the Nilotic-Somaloid continuum to the point their language is considered western Omo-tana.

 

[Nilotic]

Damn, it seems like Nilotes have interacted a great deal

 

[Nilote]

Rain = "Ropta"
Tree = "Ketit"
Every other word is the same in Kalenjin and Somali. I didn't know we shared so many words.

 

[HoodHawiye]

So... I got my results, any of the haplogroup experts feel free to help me break it down. It turns out my half brother (aabo's side) did the DNA test too way before so I know my paternal haplogroup too

Maternal haplogroup: m1a5 (murusade FULL Sabti)

Paternal haplogroup: J-CTS5368 (Sexawle Karanle)

Now I'm confused, because I've never come across this Y haplogroup and it seems to link back to middle east. However I have NO middle eastern DNA. I'm 99.6% east african.

I am 13.9% Ethiopian because my paternal great grandma was full Ethiopian).

I found 463 relatives most being my 3rd cousins

@convincation @Shimbiris @Mckenzie @Jungle @Garaad Hirabu

why is every faraax i know from banaadir bidaar

 

[Nilote]

Interesting results. I'm from the Kalenjin tribe of Kenya. On 23andme I have Kalenjin cousins with E-V32 & E-M293. I don't know their clans, so I can't tell who the patriarch is.

Update: The (2) E-M293 cousins are from the Talai clan which is a Kalenjin clan that was originally Maasai. Then I have 2 other cousins: 1 of them has E-V32, the other is unknown (waiting to connect). It looks like they both might be direct descendants of Somali men. The first one gets Somalia as a country match, which I have never seen before. The other cousin is Half Kalenjin on his maternal side, but it is possible his grandfather may be Somali-Bantu or mixed.

Cousin with E-V32:

2nd cousin (Haplogroup unknown) below:

 

[CulturedKay]

@CulturedKay i am sorry but there is no way to interpret yourself, you would have to close the page and then open it and do it as my tutorial showed.

Your results shouldn't look like that and you don't need to click on every 2+ or 1+, all you need is to just have a line that goes down like the one i showed.

also are you using your phone? if so i recommend a laptop, that will make the job easier and faster.

Salam, i got the yseq alle results.

Is that any good?

That yfull tree is where it took me.

 

[The alchemist]

Salam, i got the yseq alle results.

Is that any good?

That yfull tree is where it took me.

Well, you are not of a Habash origin, that is for sure. This is Arabian, plain and simple.

The formed/TMRCA is synonymous with the secondary introduction of southern Arabians toward the Somali peninsula. You are of that early migration or you descend from Islamic era Arabian migration that was under the same population structure history as the ones who migrated some 2000 years ago to the Somali coast when you go back in time. Which means your roots are in Southern Arabia from an ancient perspective.

From the looks of it, you have nothing to do with the Madhibaan.

@Reformed J what do you think?

 

[CulturedKay]

Well, you are not of a Habash origin, that is for sure. This is Arabian, plain and simple.

The formed/TMRCA is synonymous with the secondary introduction of southern Arabians toward the Somali peninsula. You are of that early migration or you descend from Islamic era Arabian migration that was under the same population structure history as the ones who migrated some 2000 years ago to the Somali coast when you go back in time. Which means your roots are in Southern Arabia from an ancient perspective.

From the looks of it, you have nothing to do with the Madhibaan.

@Reformed J what do you think?

One of the ladies on the forum who is also a J haplogroup, I think she is madhiban had said my results differed to the madhibaan ones which suggests a different origin.

We are thr same sub clan as Imam ahmed gurey, it could be possible that the story of him being of mix somali and arab could be true?

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

A bit random but I couldn't be asked to make a thread on it and the genetics people seem to all be here so I was wondering if anyone could explain the recent dna finds in Hungary and why so many of their samples (of the Avar invaders) are J1- P58?

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

One of the ladies on the forum who is also a J haplogroup, I think she is madhiban had said my results differed to the madhibaan ones which suggests a different origin.

We are thr same sub clan as Imam ahmed gurey, it could be possible that the story of him being of mix somali and arab could be true?

What sub clan is this if you don't mind?

 

[CulturedKay]

What sub clan is this if you don't mind?

Sexawle Karanle hawiye

 

[Doctorabdi]

Well, you are not of a Habash origin, that is for sure. This is Arabian, plain and simple.

The formed/TMRCA is synonymous with the secondary introduction of southern Arabians toward the Somali peninsula. You are of that early migration or you descend from Islamic era Arabian migration that was under the same population structure history as the ones who migrated some 2000 years ago to the Somali coast when you go back in time. Which means your roots are in Southern Arabia from an ancient perspective.

From the looks of it, you have nothing to do with the Madhibaan.

@Reformed J what do you think?

Intriguing, but don't all somalis have minor arabian roots? And isn't the person fully somali genetically? With the high prevalence of T especially in some clans?

 

[Doctorabdi]

One of the ladies on the forum who is also a J haplogroup, I think she is madhiban had said my results differed to the madhibaan ones which suggests a different origin.

We are thr same sub clan as Imam ahmed gurey, it could be possible that the story of him being of mix somali and arab could be true?

You would need more results, as you've only got two samples. Hopefully more people from that clan can test

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

Intriguing, but don't all somalis have minor arabian roots? And isn't the person fully somali genetically? With the high prevalence of T especially in some clans?

IIRC I saw somewheer that the average south Arabian autosomal DNA ranges between 5-10% which you would expect as we were doing major trade with the Sabeans, etc and Greek chroniclers recorded intermarriage between traders and local women on both sides.

 

[The alchemist]

One of the ladies on the forum who is also a J haplogroup, I think she is madhiban had said my results differed to the madhibaan ones which suggests a different origin.

We are thr same sub clan as Imam ahmed gurey, it could be possible that the story of him being of mix somali and arab could be true?

You are definitely of two things. Either Your haplogroup came with T folks (I don't think so, but it is not completely unlikely), or it was the same population in ancient Yemen as it has similar TMCRA with those mentioned lineages, then respectively coming to the Somali coast during the Islamic Era.

You have no immediate relations to the Gaboye on Y-DNA grounds.