zeila mentioned and an al-makdi nisba

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this book is biographies from the 9th hijri century. in this book a shafi scholar mentions multiple zayla'is. but there is a nisba called zayla'i in the arabian peninsular which gets confusing. anyway the book records figures
the al makdi nisba? i think its somali. المكدي الزيلعي


أَحْمد بن أبي بكر أَبُو الْعَبَّاس المكدي الزَّيْلَعِيّ الْعَالم الْفَقِيه. / تفقه بالشهاب أَحْمد بن أبي بكر النَّاشِرِيّ وبرع فِي الْفَرَائِض والحساب. مَاتَ فِي سنة سِتّ أَو سبع وَثَلَاثِينَ. ذكره الْعَفِيف.

Ahmad ibn Abi Bakr, Abu al-‘Abbas al-Makdi al-Zayla‘i, was a scholar and jurist. He studied jurisprudence under Shihab Ahmad ibn Abi Bakr al-Nashiri and excelled in the fields of faraa’iḍ (الفرائض) and hisaab (الحساب). He died in the year thirty-six or thirty-seven. He was mentioned by al-‘Afif.


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about the book:
"The Radiant Light for the People of the Ninth Century" is a historical book written by Shams al-Din al-Sakhawi. It is the most comprehensive source in the history of the Islamic medieval period, containing a total of 11,699 biographies. It includes biographies of scholars, judges, narrators, writers, poets, caliphs, kings, and ministers from Egypt, Syria, Hijaz, Yemen, Rome, India, both from the East and the West, covering both men and women who passed away during this era, or who lived into the tenth century. In each biography, al-Sakhawi recorded their memorized works, teachers, writings, personal details, birth, and death. The eleventh part of the book is dedicated to surnames, and the twelfth part to women. His contemporaries criticized him, including Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, who wrote a book in criticism of him called Al-Kawi fi Tarikh al-Sakhawi. However, this does not diminish the value of the book, as it is unparalleled in its field.
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/الضوء_اللامع
 
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zeila mentioned.

Al-Siddiq ibn Abdul-Rahman, may Allah be pleased with him, Abu Abdullah al-Sakhri, then al-Hadidi al-Shafi'i / Judge of Zayla. I have seen his description by the people of his town as the noble, virtuous, complete judge, and he was alive in the year 94.
https://shamela.ws/book/6675/1027

zeila war

Abu al-Qasim ibn Ismail ibn Ahmad al-Malik al-Mas'ud, one of the Banu Rasul, who ruled Yemen for a period, then was overthrown by Ubaid al-Dawlah and his commanders, Yafi‘, who took control of a child from his relatives. This led him to withdraw to Zayla, and soon after, Ali ibn Tahir and his brother Amir seized the kingdom from the child, firmly establishing their rule. He continued to move around until he settled in Kunbayah, and he is currently there in the year ninety-nine.
https://shamela.ws/book/6675/3383
 
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Is that year 94 what it says in the Arabic? Because wow this might be the earliest direct textual evidence we have for the presence of Islam in somalia . An actual qadi in zayla in the year 94 which corresponds to 713 a.d is wild and the fact that he was well-known enough to be recorded down in the books.

Also qadi's aren't some random sheikhs and are instead appointed by an Islamic govt. So there must have been some local ruler who appointed him.
what? no sxb. the book starts from the ninth hijir century.

the name of the book: The brilliant light of the people of the ninth century
 
I'd honestly be curious to find out what the earliest mention of a Somali scholar is. So far the earliest one ive ever seen is a refrence to a disciple of the famous ibn Sina who was a musciologist. And ibn Sina lived in the 11th century a.d.
 

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@reer check this out.
Notice how the son looks fully Arab/Yemeni after just one generation ? This phenomenon is explained by the theory of cultural and ethnic assimilation [of immigrants], which has been observed throughout history, particularly among Somali diasporas in the Arabian Peninsula. The first instance of this is seen with Umar Al Zayla'i, progenitor of the Zayla'i tribe in Southern Arabia Umar Al Zayla'i left the Somali peninsula at 17 and around 1250AD, he settled in Yemen on the island of Al-Luhayyah, his descendants became numerous overtime and intermarried with the local Yemeni/Arab populations.

Some of his descendants even migrated to Sudan and gained influential positions, members of the Sudani government today trace their genealogy to Umar. However, if you approached a member of the Zayla‘i tribe in Saudi Arabia today and told him he was originally African, it would likely provoke a strong reaction. Modern Zayla‘i individuals bear no physical resemblance to Somalis, the majority of their genetic makeup is Arabian, and their culture retains no Somali elements. The fact that they maintained their claimed Aqeelite lineage only reinforces their Arab identity. As a result, they are considered fully Arab today, and suggesting they were originally African would be seen by many as an insult.

The same pattern can be observed among the Darod (Majerteen and Warsangeli) clans in Yemen and Oman today. Although their ancestors migrated there in the 1800s, they still identify as Arab, look Arab, and uphold Arab culture and values. A key factor that greatly facilitated Somali assimilation in Arabia was their claimed Hashemite lineage. In short, after the first generation, the diaspora begins to adopt the language, customs, values, and identity of the host society, gradually losing their original cultural and ethnic distinctiveness, especially when small numbers of newcomers intermarry with the more numerous local population over generations.

However, assimilation does not always lead immigrants to reject their origins. For example, Omani Arabs who intermarried with Bantu communities in Zanzibar over generations developed distinctively more African features than their counterparts in the Arabian Peninsula but are aware of their Arabian origins. A similar pattern can be observed among the Banadiri people in Somalia. On the left is a Majerteen Omani and on the right is Zanzibari Omani. History is fascinating.

 

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Nothing confusing. Those who carry the Zaylaci nisba in Arabia claim qureysh and are the descendants of these Somali sheikhs.

there is more than on zaylaci nisba. there is another in the arabian peninsula not related to somali sheikhs. search it up in arabic. speaking arabic is important for somali taariikh. more than one zaylaci nisba can get confusing whether theyre quraish or descendants of somali immigrants/sheikhs.

 
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this book is biographies from the 9th hijri century. in this book a shafi scholar mentions multiple zayla'is. but there is a nisba called zayla'i in the arabian peninsular which gets confusing. anyway the book records figures
the al makdi nisba? i think its somali. المكدي الزيلعي


أَحْمد بن أبي بكر أَبُو الْعَبَّاس المكدي الزَّيْلَعِيّ الْعَالم الْفَقِيه. / تفقه بالشهاب أَحْمد بن أبي بكر النَّاشِرِيّ وبرع فِي الْفَرَائِض والحساب. مَاتَ فِي سنة سِتّ أَو سبع وَثَلَاثِينَ. ذكره الْعَفِيف.

Ahmad ibn Abi Bakr, Abu al-‘Abbas al-Makdi al-Zayla‘i, was a scholar and jurist. He studied jurisprudence under Shihab Ahmad ibn Abi Bakr al-Nashiri and excelled in the fields of faraa’iḍ (الفرائض) and hisaab (الحساب). He died in the year thirty-six or thirty-seven. He was mentioned by al-‘Afif.


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about the book:
"The Radiant Light for the People of the Ninth Century" is a historical book written by Shams al-Din al-Sakhawi. It is the most comprehensive source in the history of the Islamic medieval period, containing a total of 11,699 biographies. It includes biographies of scholars, judges, narrators, writers, poets, caliphs, kings, and ministers from Egypt, Syria, Hijaz, Yemen, Rome, India, both from the East and the West, covering both men and women who passed away during this era, or who lived into the tenth century. In each biography, al-Sakhawi recorded their memorized works, teachers, writings, personal details, birth, and death. The eleventh part of the book is dedicated to surnames, and the twelfth part to women. His contemporaries criticized him, including Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, who wrote a book in criticism of him called Al-Kawi fi Tarikh al-Sakhawi. However, this does not diminish the value of the book, as it is unparalleled in its field.
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/الضوء_اللامع
He was a zaylai from makka, its as simple as that
 

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He was a zaylai from makka, its as simple as that
In some weird cases, like the one T-Y218135 sample claims descent Zayla'i, both are from Asir and most likely part of the same clan, the sample above them is from Makkah, all these lineages are preislamic, so you have an Arab who came to Saylac and took the Nisbah and also Somalis who went over, it doesn't take too long for the blood to dilute, I have a family friend who married a Yemeni women and all his kids look Yemeni.


"Asir guy claim descent from Qurayshi lineage through Aqeel ibn Abi Talib (RA). "The name of the man who gave them that nisbah is Safy Ed-Din Abu Al-'Abbas Ahmad bin Omar Al-Zayla'i Al-'Aqeeli."

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In some weird cases, like the one T-Y218135 sample claims descent Zayla'i, both are from Asir and most likely part of the same clan, the sample above them is from Makkah, all these lineages are preislamic, so you have an Arab who came to Saylac and took the Nisbah and also Somalis who went over, it doesn't take too long for the blood to dilute, I have a family friend who married a Yemeni women and all his kids look Yemeni.


"Asir guy claim descent from Qurayshi lineage through Aqeel ibn Abi Talib (RA). "The name of the man who gave them that nisbah is Safy Ed-Din Abu Al-'Abbas Ahmad bin Omar Al-Zayla'i Al-'Aqeeli."

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Same, my half arab cousin looks fully Yemeni

People expect half somali-arab kids to look like half bantu-cadaan kids, somali and other eurasian people's dna is way more similar so the kids arent gonna look very different except in skin tone
 
there is more than on zaylaci nisba. there is another in the arabian peninsula not related to somali sheikhs. search it up in arabic. speaking arabic is important for somali taariikh. more than one zaylaci nisba can get confusing whether theyre quraish or descendants of somali immigrants/sheikhs.


Sxib this article is complete drivel. All these tribes are famous you could check their subclans. No clans called zalyaci are among them. Sxib to add the zaylaci in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and One guy I came across in Sudan all claim a man named Ahmed bin Omar Al zaylaci that came from "bilad al zaylac"










 
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Same, my half arab cousin looks fully Yemeni

People expect half somali-arab kids to look like half bantu-cadaan kids, somali and other eurasian people's dna is way more similar so the kids arent gonna look very different except in skin tone
I'm not surprised, there is a sizable community over in Arabia with paternal Somali ancestry, the child will be about 70% Basal Eurasian and 30% AEA +- 5-10% something else, depending on the ethnic makeup of the Arab.
 
While I dont think its necessary impossible it'd convoluted nought. That i doubt you could have more than a few people like that. As well as thr fact that it'd be pretty weird nisba to hand down.
 
reminds me of how the famous ulema from Barawa that you sometimes see people assume are the swahili speaking bravanese. When in actuality these scholars are actually tunni
 

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Sxib this article is complete drivel. All these tribes are famous you could check their subclans. No clans called zalyaci are among them. Sxib to add the zaylaci in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and One guy I came across in Sudan all claim a man named Ahmed bin Omar Al zaylaci that came from "bilad al zaylac"










sxb i understand but here is another zaylaci nisba.


The Bani Zaid tribe is currently divided into:
.....

........and Aal Zayla' (they are different from the Zayla'is)......
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The Zaylai tribe in Arabia trace their linage back to Ahmed bin Omar al-Zaylai al zayla, who was a native of zayla, he had the power to make it rain , he does what all Somali duah dhikr circles do when they need rain ,make constant duah for it to rain. To the arabs he relived their suffering. He created the city luhaya and was the first to import coffee into the peninsula. This article tells the story of the first arrival and the sons in the 1300s (Gregorian Calendar) . There is references to the primary sources in Arabic though

cant remember the page but start from the start, plus you need to translate it

Over the century the tribe where a well known sufi order, but by the time of the 1700s (Gregorian Calendar) Muhammed bin abdul wahab went to war with them to end their sufi practices, because they commited to much bidah and shirk . arabs were pray for dead zaylai saints. There numbers dwindled and they dont public have their sufi order anymore.

even though they were sufi they were rare ones who would wage war

shirk commited

im currently in contact with a sufi friend who was a student who studied under the descendant of Zayalai in saudi arabia. im asking him for help or contants
 

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@Shimbiris @Thegoodshepherd could this المكدي here could be the same as the habar maqdi mentioned in adal history?
I wouldn't be surprised, Mahad Ase still live on the coast,

"Richard Pankhurst (2003) states that the Habr Maqdi are the Habr Makadur of the Gadabuursi.#
The Zaylai tribe in Arabia trace their linage back to Ahmed bin Omar al-Zaylai al zayla, who was a native of zayla, he had the power to make it rain , he does what all Somali duah dhikr circles do when they need rain ,make constant duah for it to rain. To the arabs he relived their suffering. He created the city luhaya and was the first to import coffee into the peninsula. This article tells the story of the first arrival and the sons in the 1300s (Gregorian Calendar) . There is references to the primary sources in Arabic though

cant remember the page but start from the start, plus you need to translate it

Over the century the tribe where a well known sufi order, but by the time of the 1700s (Gregorian Calendar) Muhammed bin abdul wahab went to war with them to end their sufi practices, because they commited to much bidah and shirk . arabs were pray for dead zaylai saints. There numbers dwindled and they dont public have their sufi order anymore.

even though they were sufi they were rare ones who would wage war

shirk commited

im currently in contact with a sufi friend who was a student who studied under the descendant of Zayalai in saudi arabia. im asking him for help or contants
❝Every group has someone they call upon: The people of ʿIrāq and India call upon ʿAbd al-Qādir al-Jīlānī. The people of Tihāmah in every village call upon a deceased figure, saying: “O Zaylaʾī, O Ibn al-ʿAjīl.’ The people of Makkah and Ṭāʾif call upon Ibn al-ʿAbbās. The people of Egypt call upon al-Rifāʾī, al-Badawī, and the Bakrīyyah masters. The mountain dwellers call upon Abū Ṭayr. The people of Yemen call upon Ibn ʿAlwān. In every village, they cry out to the dead, calling upon them and seeking their aid to bring benefit or ward off harm. This is identical to the practices of the idolaters with their idols.❞

Ajil sounds a lot like Aji, as in Aji Dir. Additionally, we incorporated the ancient culture of the Somali bush expert into religious activities, such as predicting rain and determining the best time to make war, when to strike, etc.

Luhaya -> Lughaya .. too many coincidences for this to be random.

Omar al-Zaylai

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I wouldn't be surprised, Mahad Ase still live on the coast,

"Richard Pankhurst (2003) states that the Habr Maqdi are the Habr Makadur of the Gadabuursi.#

❝Every group has someone they call upon: The people of ʿIrāq and India call upon ʿAbd al-Qādir al-Jīlānī. The people of Tihāmah in every village call upon a deceased figure, saying: “O Zaylaʾī, O Ibn al-ʿAjīl.’ The people of Makkah and Ṭāʾif call upon Ibn al-ʿAbbās. The people of Egypt call upon al-Rifāʾī, al-Badawī, and the Bakrīyyah masters. The mountain dwellers call upon Abū Ṭayr. The people of Yemen call upon Ibn ʿAlwān. In every village, they cry out to the dead, calling upon them and seeking their aid to bring benefit or ward off harm. This is identical to the practices of the idolaters with their idols.❞

Ajil sounds a lot like Aji, as in Aji Dir. Additionally, we incorporated the ancient culture of the Somali bush expert into religious activities, such as predicting rain and determining the best time to make war, when to strike, etc.

Luhaya -> Lughaya .. too many coincidences for this to be random.

Omar al-Zaylai

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I think ive said this before on here. But I think that t-haplogroup was actually eastern cushites .

It seems like too much of a coincidence after everything you mentioned on top of the fact thag the asir region the older t-haplogroup came from was a part of the tihama region where this zay'li nisba is well-known.


Although now im thinking its possible we just don't have enough t-haplogroup tested and that we'll find the older sub branches with more samples.
 

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