Yaab! 30 year old Farax wants advice from xalimos on how to tell wife #1 he wants a second wife.

[Angelina]

It clearly states that there is a difference of opinion with some just stating it is permissible whilst others advising to marry only one wife. Thus, it is misleading to argue that there is a majority for marrying 'only one wife' as you claimed when none has been mentioned.

All schools of thought think that polygamy is permissible lol, no one thinks it’s haram. By permissible, they mean merely permissible and not a Sunnah.

The questioner asked about what all schools of thought thought of polygamy. Why did they not state that some thought it was Sunnah in terms of the madhabs?

Here are the facts:

Hanbali- One wife is the recommended.

Shafi- one wife is the recommended

Hanafi- According to IslamQa.org the Hanafi site, there is a preference for one wife.

Can I Get a Second Wife? - IslamQA

Answered by Shaykh Yusuf Badat Question: I am planning to marry another wife. My current wife is not in agreement with this. What is the ḥukum/ solution to this? Answer: In the Name of Allāh, Most Me

islamqa.org

I’ve looked at various fatwas on the Hanafi site and not once do they call polygamy a Sunnah.

Maliki- I will try and find the correct answer. Although I remember reading somewhere that they to believe it is merely permissible and not a Sunnah.

Salafis- Polygamy Sunnah.

Obviously, within a madhab you are going to find scholars with different opinions, but it is a clear fact that that the default position of Shafis and Hanbalis is that it is better to have one wife

Moreover, in your previous posts you did not even reference a Maliki scholar yet you made bold, unsubstantiated claims that a 'majority' view hold the stance you made. That is half baked walaal.

You’re right. I didn’t provide the Maliki view. But what I can say for certain ins that all three madhabs majority believe that one wife is preferable. I can say for a fact that is the case for Hanbali and Shafi and there are various quotes form the Imaams themselves and their most famous students/followers who mostly believe in the same thing.

I never said Salafis were strict in following a Madhab but they are more closely associated Hanbali Fiqh than the other four hence my statement regarding their association with it when referencing IslamQa.

Being closely associated doesn’t mean they follow the Hanbali school of thought strictly. With regards to polygamy, their view very clearly differ from the Hanbali school of thought and this isn’t even a debate.

 

[Man with a garuun]

In the words of the great Kariis Baraawn, “These Faraxs ain’t loyal.”

Even after wifey gave him 2 children and they had a happy marriage… he gets married when on vacation.

Because unlike you who bragged about being whined and dined by ballers, he wants to keep it halal. That is why.

 

[Man with a garuun]

I’m beginning to think a lot of men aren’t really in love with their wives or that men can simply love a woman and desire other women. But ultimately, a man that truly loves his wife, will put her and the kids first and anyone with half a brain can see that having a wife on a completely different continent is just going to tear down the relationship. It’s just dumb. Look at our kids? Prison, LGTB, delinquency and the list goes on whilst dad is back home living it up. Forget loving the wife, the real question is, do they even love their kids?

You shouldn't only be judging the Somalis but paying to attention to your dhagax in-laws and their communities. They're far worse than us.

 

[Angelina]

@Angelina @anonimo
First of all you have to understand, sunnah in terms of fiqh, can be equated to mustahabb, meaning, it is preferred to do it, for most scholars, it is not preffered to marry multiple wives, because it is a great respinsibility and can cause a man to be unjust if he is not the top tier of men.
Sunnah in regards to normal Islamic terminology, like the science of seerah, refers to anything the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wasalam did, was going to do, or commanded us to do,
Also polygyny, the enactment of it depends on peoples situation. If you live in a society where women outnumber men, and the men have the ability to support them, then it may become prefereable for polygyny to be common and it serves the common interest of women much more.
If you live in a society where there are less men avaiable for marriage than women this may also apply
but in general most men should avoid it especially if there is no need, most men don't need another wife nor would they be able to deal with another one.
But the few men who can deal with multiple wives have the permisibility to marry them if they want.
I don't understand what you guys are debating here.

We’re debating about the fiqh aspect of it, this is merely educational for @anonimo and I. Obviously polygamy is personal and very much based on a man’s circumstances.

Here was my point:

Hanbali- one wife preference.

Shafi- one wife preference.

Hanafi- According to Hanafi sites, one wife preferences.

Maliki- Not sure. I’ll find the majority fiqh view.

Salafi-Polygamy Sunnah. This view is strongly held by Sh. Ibn Baz who says this is a strong and recommended Sunnah.

Uthaymeen on the other hand says it is preferable to have one wife, unless you fear not being chaste. So even within Salafiya, there are differing views.

Hence, looking at that, how could @anonimo argue that the majority of madhabs don’t believe having one wife is better?

That is merely my point.

 

[anonimo]

All schools of thought think that polygamy is permissible lol, no one thinks it’s haram. By permissible, they mean merely permissible and not a Sunnah.

The questioner asked about what all schools of thought thought of polygamy. Why did they not state that some thought it was Sunnah in terms of the madhabs?

Here are the facts:

Hanbali- One wife is the recommended.

Shafi- one wife is the recommended

Hanafi- According to IslamQa.org the Hanafi site, there is a preference for one wife.

Can I Get a Second Wife? - IslamQA

Answered by Shaykh Yusuf Badat Question: I am planning to marry another wife. My current wife is not in agreement with this. What is the ḥukum/ solution to this? Answer: In the Name of Allāh, Most Me

islamqa.org

I’ve looked at various fatwas on the Hanafi site and not once do they call polygamy a Sunnah.

Maliki- I will try and find the correct answer. Although I remember reading somewhere that they to believe it is merely permissible and not a Sunnah.

Salafis- Polygamy Sunnah.

Obviously, within a madhab you are going to find scholars with different opinions, but it is a clear fact that that the default position of Shafis and Hanbalis is that it is better to have one wife

You’re right. I didn’t provide the Maliki view. But what I can say for certain ins that all three madhabs majority believe that one wife is preferable. I can say for a fact that is the case for Hanbali and Shafi and there are various quotes form the Imaams themselves and their most famous students/followers who mostly believe in the same thing.

Being closely associated doesn’t mean they follow the Hanbali school of thought strictly. With regards to polygamy, their view very clearly differ from the Hanbali school of thought and this isn’t even a debate.

The Hanbali and Shafi are just two schools, this does not indicate it is a majority of scholars from all Madhabs.

The onus is on you to prove the majority stance of classical Hanafi and Maliki scholars. Until you do that, it is unwise to make absolutist statements regarding this matter as it will mislead those less knowledgeable than you.

 

[anonimo]

We’re debating about the fiqh aspect of it, this is merely educational for @anonimo and I. Obviously polygamy is personal and very much based on a man’s circumstances.

Here was my point:

Hanbali- one wife preference.

Shafi- one wife preference.

Hanafi- According to Hanafi sites, one wife preferences.

Maliki- Not sure. I’ll find the majority fiqh view.

Salafi-Polygamy Sunnah with Uthaymeen saying one wife is better unless you fear not being chaste.

Hence, looking at that, how could @anonimo argue that the majority of madhabs don’t believe having one wife is better?

That is merely my point.

I am not arguing the majority of Madhabs don't believe this or that.

Don't get it twisted, I merely highlighted the flaws in your statement.

 

[Angelina]

The Hanbali and Shafi are just two schools, this does not indicate it is a majority of scholars from all Madhabs.

Saxib, 3 out 4 and the 4th which is Maliki, we don’t know and I’ll try and find out.

If you look at Hanafi websites not once do they mention it being Sunnah and they even go as far as saying one is preferable.

The onus is on you to prove the majority stance of classical Hanafi and Maliki scholars.

Islamqa.org is a purely Hanafi site. Are you arguing that they don’t take Hanafi fiqh. Strange since you tried to push Islamqa.com which is clearly Salafi as being authentically Hanbali which certainly isn’t the case.

Until you do that, it is unwise to make absolutist statements regarding this matter as it will mislead those less knowledgeable than you.

I can say for certain that at least 3/4 believe so.

 

[anonimo]

Saxib, 3 out 4 and the 4th which is Maliki, we don’t know and I’ll try and find out.

If you look at Hanafi websites not once do they mention it being Sunnah and even go as far as saying one is preferable.

Islamqa.org is a purely Hanafi site. Are you arguing that they don’t take Hanafi fiqh. Strange since you tried to push Islamqa.com which is clearly Salafi as being authentically Hanbali which certainly isn’t the case.

I can say for certain that at least 3/4 believe so.

Have they provided rulings from classical scholars like IslamWeb stating it is Sunnah to only marry one wife?

Go ahead walaal, educate us with historical rulings supporting your statement, I am all ears. You have done the groundwork regarding classical Hanbali scholars, let us see what you come up with regarding Hanafis and Malikis.

So far there is no consensus from what you initially claimed regarding the majority of Madhabs consider marrying one wife as Sunnah.

 

[Angelina]

Have they provided rulings from classical scholars like IslamWeb?

Nope, but your argument is now going in a direction in which you’re doubting that their rulings is from the Hanafi madhab. Islamqa.Org is notorious for only showing Hanafi views. It isn’t like Islamqa which follows what they think is the strongest opinion regardless of madhab, but I will try and find classic Hanafi view.

Go ahead walaal, educate us with historical rulings supporting your statement, I am all ears. You have done the groundwork regarding classical Hanbali scholars, let us see what you come up with regarding Hanafis and Malikis.

Yep will do.

So far there is no consensus from what you initially claimed as evidence using the IslamWeb reference site.

 

[Angelina]

You shouldn't only be judging the Somalis but paying to attention to your dhagax in-laws and their communities. They're far worse than us.

Here are the facts:

1. You’re shameless enough to reveal your past sins of being with cadaans. You even talk about making sure they’re not drunk or drinking. Have a bit of shame and be quiet

2. You lie constantly.

3. This is an educational debate between a poster and I. Since you do not have the range or the ability to be honest or even have integrity. Please stop getting involve

4. You’re right, madows can be are the worse especially the UK Salafi ones Which is why I didn’t marry one nor will I recommend a Somali girl. Stop with your fantasy narrative.

 

[Qeelbax]

Muslim men don't need to lower their gaze

Do y'all niggas want to go to heaven or hell?

 

[Qeelbax]

All schools of thought think that polygamy is permissible lol, no one thinks it’s haram. By permissible, they mean merely permissible and not a Sunnah.

The questioner asked about what all schools of thought thought of polygamy. Why did they not state that some thought it was Sunnah in terms of the madhabs?

Here are the facts:

Hanbali- One wife is the recommended.

Shafi- one wife is the recommended

Hanafi- According to IslamQa.org the Hanafi site, there is a preference for one wife.

Can I Get a Second Wife? - IslamQA

Answered by Shaykh Yusuf Badat Question: I am planning to marry another wife. My current wife is not in agreement with this. What is the ḥukum/ solution to this? Answer: In the Name of Allāh, Most Me

islamqa.org

I’ve looked at various fatwas on the Hanafi site and not once do they call polygamy a Sunnah.

Maliki- I will try and find the correct answer. Although I remember reading somewhere that they to believe it is merely permissible and not a Sunnah.

Salafis- Polygamy Sunnah.

Obviously, within a madhab you are going to find scholars with different opinions, but it is a clear fact that that the default position of Shafis and Hanbalis is that it is better to have one wife

You’re right. I didn’t provide the Maliki view. But what I can say for certain ins that all three madhabs majority believe that one wife is preferable. I can say for a fact that is the case for Hanbali and Shafi and there are various quotes form the Imaams themselves and their most famous students/followers who mostly believe in the same thing.

Being closely associated doesn’t mean they follow the Hanbali school of thought strictly. With regards to polygamy, their view very clearly differ from the Hanbali school of thought and this isn’t even a debate.

why is everyone saying you don't have to tell the first wife? You're required to announce your marriage and it's haram to deceive your wife and put her health in harms way. It doesn't explicitly say you have to tell her but this is when you apply context clues.

 

[Hamzza]

Do y'all niggas want to go to heaven or hell?

Janno Inshalaah

 

[Angelina]

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I see where you are coming from. But there is a clear differences of opinions when it comes to some fiqhi positions with regards to Hanbalis and Salafis.

Example, Islamweb is a site that focuses on mostly classical Hanbali view, which is why it isn’t unusual to find differences of opinion with regards to different fiqh positions.

 

[Deleted L]

LOOL

This is why I find you "religious" men on this forum dubious. How come you are not writing 5 paragraphs about how people should lower their gaze??

He should lower his gaze, not denying that but I said there’s nothing wrong if he marries the girl to fulfill his desires in a halal manner.

Also a few comments down below I said it’s preferable if he doesn’t marry her so he doesn’t have to hurt his wife’s feelings.

 

[Hamzza]

I see where you are coming from. But there is a clear differences of opinions when it comes to some fiqhi positions with regards to Hanbalis and Salafis.

Example, Islamweb is a site that focuses on mostly classical Hanbali view, which is why it isn’t unusual to find differences of opinion with regards to different fiqh positions.

In Islamqa.info they describe the Opinions of all four Madhabs and gave their preferred scholarly opinion based on Quran & Hadith. Islamweb even gets a few of its own answers verbatim from Islamqa and holds its owner in senior regard.

When people hear Salafi they instantly assume them to be La Madhabi, due to some of Salafi's past criticism of blind Taqleed. The phenomenon of Lā Madhabi Fiqh struck the more multicultural revert dominated Salafi communities more than it did the traditional mono-cultural Salafi communities for instance, the Hanbali Madhab is the official Madhab of Saudi Arabia the birthplace of Salafism and the Somali Sheikhs back home tend to remain Shafi'i. That's why I laugh at people like @World Who claim that Somalis are not Shafi'i anymore because of Wahabbis. It's ironic considering its Salafi Sheikhs who teach classic Shafi'i fiqh books like "Muqadama Al Hadramiyah", "Safinatu Al Salaah", "Matni Abu Shuuc" and others to Somalis today.

 

[Angelina]

Because unlike you who bragged about being whined and dined by ballers, he wants to keep it halal. That is why.

Where was your concern for keeping things halal when you were meeting up with white girls and checking if they were drunk or not

Let me guess, you take from Ustad Sheikh Tate who teaches you it’s okay for men to behave like that. Now I get why you’re using that against Megan when you literally exposed yourself in other threads.

Clown.

 

[Gojo Satoru]

Somali men spew garbage like this and then wonder why they're incels

 

[King Khufu]

"I would like to build a polygamous family."
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Here's the benefit factors:
- it would aspire new ideas from multiple minds. This could always be a refresher.
- we could all benefit lucratively from a multi-family income. Especially if we all succeed.
- all the children would be my fatherhood with multiple mothers so the respect factor would be impressively implemented by the time the young ones are little.
- Multiple women can provide a strong sense of support to a loving household that can be made a unwinding home
- Definitely able to explore pleasurabilities that single family homes cannot know especially to my benefit but to our whole benefit as well

Imagine the Brother Polight affect with the 4 wives with all the afrocentricism and none of the debauchery.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Polygamy is halal (up to 4 women) for Muslim men who can financially and sufficiently support all of his wives and children, and who can also provide justice to all of his wives on equitable basis. That is what needs to be understood. It is clear in the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet (scw).