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Khair baan ku rajaynaya

He is knew to the topic. The Quran was revealed in 7 Ahrufs (dialects) during the time of our Nabi Muhammad (SAW) because there were seven Arab tribes, Quraysh, Hudhayl, Tameem, Hawaazin, Thaqeef, Kinaanah and Yemen each with their own dialect at the time the Quran was revealed. The 7 ahrufs are named after these 7 tribes I just mentioned . If Yemen were speaking different language then how did the ansaar of medinah managed to communicate with the prophet? Aus and Khazraj migrated to Yathrib from Yemen. Surely Abu Hureira would have not being able to memorise so many ahadith If he spoke a different language

 

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Ah you must be one of those that still holds on to “Al jallad” the amateur who studied under well known orientalists who try their best to change the history of Arabs based on “graffiti” found on stones in Iraq, Syria and Jordan not knowing that Arabs had 1000s of classical scholars throughout the last millennium and half some of whom literally witnessed the migration of these Arabs themselves and were closer in time to when the Arabs were getting dispersed. Not to forget that this is the age of archeogenetics. It goes completely against scientific logic for Arabs to have arrived from the north with all the genetic material we have available. Even the Arabic inscriptions your on about are text written by tribes with historical origins further south in Yemen. Case in point is the 2nd oldest Arabic inscription the Namara inscription, an epitaph of the Lakhmid king Imru' al-Qays bar 'Amro, dating to 328 CE, found at Namaraa, Syria. It’s well known that Lakhmids migrated from Yemen in the 2nd century AD to settle in the Fertile Crescent. Arabic you hear today used to be just one out of many closely related dialects spoken before the advent of Islam. Even today the Arabs with the closest speech to the classical 7th century “Hejazi” dialect are spoken by tribes with southern origin near the borders of Yemen. Ahmed Abdul Ghafur Attar, a Saudi poet and linguist said in an article that the language of the Hejaz especially that which is spoken in Belad Ghamdi and Zahran, is close to the Classical Language. Faisal Ghori, a famous scholar of Arabic literature, in his book Qabayil Al- Hejaz (Hejazi tribes) wrote: "We can say is that there are some tribes in Arabia whose language today much closer to the classical Arabic language. The tribes of Belad Ghamid and Zahran are a good example of this." Both Zahran and Ghamid are of Qathanite southern stock near the borders with Yemen. If they adopted Arabic they would not have spoken the purest form of it. They would have had substrates.

Did you not read what I wrote? The oldest attestations to Arabic all exist in Northern Arabia and the Levant. The earliest mention of Arabs as a group is Gindibu. If you claim that Arabs came from Yemen then there should be numerous inscriptions, but there isn't. Its all Sabaean, Himyarite and other South Arabian language. I also never denied that Arabs were living in Yemen so migration from there doesn't disprove my point, North and Central Arabia held the most Arabs regardless.

 

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Did you not read what I wrote? The oldest attestations to Arabic all exist in Northern Arabia and the Levant. If you claim that Arabs came from Yemen then there should be numerous inscriptions, but there isn't. Its all Sabaean, Himyarite and other South Arabian language. I also never denied that Arabs were living in Yemen so migration from there doesn't disprove my point, North and Central Arabia held the most Arabs regardless.

Nah it’s the opposite, it’s you who clearly didn’t read what I wrote . North and central don’t have the resources to hold Arabs. The bulk of Arabs always lived in Yemen and Hejaz. The central part has only been recently populated because of the discovery of oil and the capital being relocated there. The Fertile Crescent was home to non Arabs speaking Aramaic.

 

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Nah it’s the opposite, it’s you who clearly didn’t read what I wrote . North and central don’t have the resources to hold Arabs. The bulk of Arabs always lived in Yemen and Hejaz. The central part has only been recently populated because of the discovery of oil and the capital being relocated there. The Fertile Crescent was home to non Arabs speaking Aramaic.

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Lmao you are very ignorant.

The north/central and especially the Levant housed several major civilizations including the Nabateans, Qedarites and Kindites, all of whom spoke Arabic. There is literally not a single Arabic speaking state in southern Arabia until Islam, all of Yemen's ancient kingdoms were South Semitic speakers.

 

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Lmao you are very ignorant.

The north/central and especially the Levant housed several major civilizations including the Nabateans, Qedarites and Kindites, all of whom spoke Arabic. There is literally not a single Arabic speaking state in southern Arabia until Islam, all of Yemen's ancient kingdoms were South Semitic speakers.

Capital of the kinda was in Qaryat al Faw home to the oldest attested Arabic inscriptions. It’s literally near Yemen

Nabateans are suggested by many scholars to have come from the Hejaz area as this is more convincing, as they share many deities with the ancient people there; nbṭw, the root consonant of the tribe's name, is found in the early Semitic languages of Hejaz.

 

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Capital of the kinda was in Qaryat al Faw home to the oldest attested Arabic inscriptions. It’s literally near Yemen

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Nabateans are suggested by many scholars to have come from the Hejaz area as this is more convincing, as they share many deities with the ancient people there; nbṭw, the root consonant of the tribe's name, is found in the early Semitic languages of Hejaz.

Oldest? No, as I said the oldest are located in Northern Arabia and the Levant. It is more likely that Qaryat al Faw was a settlement founded by Arabs migrating from the north as there are barely any inscriptions found in that area in general. The Hejaz is also mainly in central/north Arabia anyways.

Also, we are talking about Yemen. My point still stands on how there were no Arabic speaking states in ancient Yemen.

 

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Oldest? No, as I said the oldest are located in Northern Arabia and the Levant. It is more likely that Qaryat al Faw was a settlement founded by Arabs migrating from the north as there are barely any inscriptions found in that area in general.

Also, we are talking about Yemen. My point still stands on how there were no Arabic speaking states in ancient Yemen.

I don’t do “most likely”. That’s sign of ignorance. Yemen is home of the Arabs simply by virtue of the scientific data we have on deck. Majority of Saudis are FGC11 which has its highest diversity in southern Arabia. Millions of Arabs have tested and its now confirmed FGC11 is from the highlands of Yemen. 60% of Saudis get this lineage alone.

https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/J-FGC11/

The Arabic of today hails from the Hejaz. During pre Islamic times Yemeni tribes like Jurhum, Khuza’a lived and ruled the Kabah for millenniums.

 

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I don’t do “most likely”. That’s sign of ignorance. Yemen is home of the Arabs simply by virtue of the scientific data we have on deck. Majority of Saudis are FGC11 which has its highest diversity in southern Arabia. Millions of Arabs have tested and its now confirmed FGC11 is from the highlands of Yemen. 60% of Saudis get this lineage alone.

https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/J-FGC11/

The Arabic of today hails from the Hejaz. During pre Islamic times Yemeni tribes like Jurhum, Khuza’a lived and ruled the Kabah for millenniums.

Haplogroups lol. I see you given up on the historical front.

 

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Haplogroups lol. I see you given up on the historical front.

Nope, I’m just showing you evidence from different angles but you seem to be allergic to it. Nabateans have Hejazi roots. Kinda are Yemeni and were litterally “vassal” of the Himyarites . Their capital was at Qaryat al Faw near Yemen. The Namara inscriptions from Syria were from the Lakhmid king who are known to have migrated from Yemen. They are known as Banu Lakhm. They were contemporaries of the Ghassanid who also migrated from Yemen and belong to the larger “Al Azd tribe” which includes Aus and Khazraj of Medinah known in the Quran as Al ansaar.

The north doesn’t have the ability to hold population even today. Where do you see Arabs today living in cities in the north? They all Bedouin.

 

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I’m just showing you evidence from different angles

You brought up Y-DNA as if that matters here. E1b also has the highest diversity in Ethiopia. I guess North Africans originate from the Horn?

The rest of your point is wrong. The Nabateans have origins among the Aramaic speaking populaces in the Levant until they shifted to Arabic and Kinda was by no means Yemeni when they didn't even reach the Indian Ocean. You have not provided any refutation towards the fact that the most numerous and oldest inscriptions of Arabic exist in the north. In short, you are denying evidence to suit your nees.

 

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You brought up Y-DNA as if that matters here. E1b also has the highest diversity in Ethiopia. I guess North Africans originate from the Horn?

The rest of your point is wrong. The Nabateans have origins among the Aramaic speaking populaces in the Levant until they shifted to Arabic and Kinda was by no means Yemeni when they didn't even reach the Indian Ocean. You have not provided any refutation towards the fact that the most numerous and oldest inscriptions of Arabic exist in the north. In short, you are denying evidence to suit your nees.

Aramaic has nothing to do with Arabic. Aramaic and Arabic have different roots altogether. Some dumb youth. You are conflating script with languages . Arabic “script” known as “Abjad” has “Aramaic” roots not the Arabic “language”. E1b is prehistoric going back to the hunting and gathering days. I’m on about a young Arab mutation FGC11 which is only 3900 years old. It has roots from Yemen. The Kinda had their capital near Yemen and were vassals of Himyarite kingdom .

 

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Aramaic has nothing to do with Arabic. Aramaic and Arabic have different roots altogether. Some dumb youth. You are conflating script with languages . Arabic “script” known as “Abjad” has “Aramaic” roots not the Arabic “language”. E1b is prehistoric going back to the hunting and gathering days. I’m on about a young Arab mutation FGC11 which is only 3900 years old. It has roots from Yemen. The Kinda had their capital near Yemen and were vassals of Himyarite kingdom .

I'm not talking about Arabic being related to Aramaic. You claimed the Nabateans came from Hejaz despite the fact that they originally spoke Aramaic. Kinda was not in Yemen not matter what you say. You are just coping at this point.

 

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I'm not talking about Arabic being related to Aramaic. You claimed the Nabateans came from Hejaz despite the fact that they originally spoke Aramaic. Kinda was not in Yemen not matter what you say. You are just coping at this point.

Nabateans didn’t speak Aramaic my brother. Please do some reading I beg you. Kinda was Himyarite vessel and their capital was at Qaryat al Faw. Tribes like Madhaj still have large presence in the south. Please brother do some reading. I realised after you stated that Nabateans spoke Aramaic that your not ready for this topic at all

 

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Nabateans didn’t speak Aramaic my brother. Please do some reading I beg you. Kinda was Himyarite vessel and their capital was at Qaryat al Faw. Tribes like Madhaj still have large presence in the south. Please brother do some reading. I realised after you stated that Nabateans spoke Aramaic that your not ready for this topic at all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_Aramaic

The Nabateans did speak Aramaic lol, this is a basic fact about them. You claim that Himyar vassalized them but Himyar itself did not speak Arabic. You are basically saying non-Arabs subjugated Arab migrants that came from the north.

 

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Nabateans didn’t speak Aramaic my brother. Please do some reading I beg you. Kinda was Himyarite vessel and their capital was at Qaryat al Faw. Tribes like Madhaj still have large presence in the south. Please brother do some reading. I realised after you stated that Nabateans spoke Aramaic that your not ready for this topic at all

Aramaic was a Levantine language no? Similar to Hebrew. It was supposedly the language the prophet Isa/jesus pbuh spoke. Many villages in the Levant still speak Aramaic.

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_Aramaic

The Nabateans did speak Aramaic lol, this is a basic fact about them. You claim that Himyar vassalized them but Himyar itself did not speak Arabic. You are basically saying non-Arabs subjugated Arab migrants that came from the north.

That Nabatean Aramiac was used as a Lingua Franca. Aramaic was the language of communication in the region in those times. Nabateans spoke Arabic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataeans

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_Aramaic

The Nabateans did speak Aramaic lol, this is a basic fact about them. You claim that Himyar vassalized them but Himyar itself did not speak Arabic. You are basically saying non-Arabs subjugated Arab migrants that came from the north.

The Kinda had many tribes with origins from Yemen. They originated in the region to the west of Hadramawt, the Kinda tribe is known to have served the Sabaean Kingdom as Bedouin auxiliaries as early as the 3rd century, later allying themselves with the Himyarite Kingdomunder the Jewish king Dhu Nuwas (early 6th century).

Kindah | Arabic Poetry, Pre-Islamic Arabia, Bedouin

Kindah, ancient Arabian tribe that was especially prominent during the late 5th and 6th centuries ad, when it made one of the first attempts in central Arabia to unite various tribes around a central authority. The Kindah originated in the area west of Ḥaḍramawt in southern Arabia. At the end of

www.britannica.com

 

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That Nabatean Aramiac was used as a Lingua Franca. Aramaic was the language of communication in the region in those times. Nabateans spoke Arabic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataeans

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I stand corrected there but the Nabateans were still northern Arabs.

As for Kinda, yes they were established in South Arabia but not in Yemen. Again, the original argument is that Arabs lived in Yemen and clearly the main powers in Yemen weren't.

 

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I stand corrected there but the Nabateans were still northern Arabs.

As for Kinda, yes they were established in South Arabia but not in Yemen. Again, the original argument is that Arabs lived in Yemen and clearly the main powers in Yemen weren't.

The bulk of the Arabs always lived in Yemen and Hejaz and this even the case today. The word “Arab” it self appears over 40 times in pre-Islamic Sabaean inscriptions. The term ʿarab ('Arab') occurs also in the titles of the Himyarite kingsfrom the time of 'Abu Karab Asad until MadiKarib Ya'fur. Even ancient Greeks referred to Yemen as “Arabia Felix”

https://pleiades.stoa.org/places/746710

 

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Aramaic was a Levantine language no? Similar to Hebrew. It was supposedly the language the prophet Isa/jesus pbuh spoke. Many villages in the Levant still speak Aramaic.

Correct. It’s a Semitic language from the Levant.