Would you still support Somali independence if Ethiopia was an Islamic state?

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

How somalis eritreans and ethiopains were one?

Eritrea was created in 1993, half of Eritrea was under Adal for more than a few decades, and we have shared history with the now wild Canfar and Saho people.

Ethiopia is also a recently created modern times state, its imperial days ended with Italian colonization in the 1930s.

What you need to differentiate is Abyssinia or Habeshistan from Eritrea and Ethiopia, I never said we were one with Abyssinia, its infact much smaller than Adal historically and thats excluding the southern muslim provinces of Adal and most of present day Somalia/NDF and DDS

We were however one with almost the entirety of cushetic speakers and have shared history, language, and religion, even pre-islamic history.

 

[Deleted L]

excuse me ? I never advocate for Global Ummah.

I would even cut off the tumour called Habesha from this united state, not based on hatred of race, but we don't share history with them, and they offer little while bringing burden of over population, HIV and poverty. I would rather tolerate the southern Ethiopians Omotics different race, different languages, different religion, yet they have huge economic output. I would not want Muslim Habesha either, and they are some of the richest Habesha on the planet. The reason for that as I said is the Habesha homeland has low economic output.

I personally don’t care about Xaarbashi kuffar but I don’t want them to be independent. I want them subjugated under our rule and we can try to Islamize the local population. Muslim empires and polities in the past conquered and subjugated Non-Muslim populations. That would be a better idea and we probably have the population to do that if horn Muslims build a coalition.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

I personally don’t care about Xaarbashi kuffar but I don’t want them to be independent. I want them subjugated under our rule and we can try to Islamize the local population. Muslim empires and polities in the past conquered and subjugated Non-Muslim populations. That would be a better idea and we probably have the population to do that if horn Muslims build a coalition.

Go on a map and have a look at where Habeshi live, what economic or strategic interest do you have in incooperating millions of poverty stricken HIV infected people from a small overpopulated land mass in the mountains ? I am saying I would not even tolerate the muslim Habesha and you are talking about Gaalo, lmao, leave those people alone.

It makes more sense to look southwards, great lake regions, south sudan and if they refuse to trade with us do what any world power does, disrupt them and eventually annex them.

 

[Deleted L]

Go on a map and have a look at where Habeshi live, what economic or strategic interest do you have in incooperating millions of poverty stricken HIV infected people from a small overpopulated land mass in the mountains ? I am saying I would not even tolerate the muslim Habesha and you are talking about Gaalo, lmao, leave those people alone.

It makes more sense to look southwards, great lake regions, south sudan and if they refuse to trade with us do what any world power does, disrupt them and eventually annex them.

You’re analyzing things from an economic/strategic perspective, I’m analyzing it from a religious perspective. The goal of annexing their lands is for the sake of Islam. If we conquer them and establish the rule of Islam over them then we can work on Islamizing the population. Those who refuse to accept Islam will have to pay Jizyah and if they refuse to accept Islam or pay the Jizyah then we seek Allah’s help and fight them. Islam is an expansionist religion and we should try to expand our religion and convert the local population to the best of our ability.

“Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

Surah 9:29

“It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraida through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of the Muhajireen and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajireen. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muslims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated. When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah's Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah's behest with regard to them.”

Sahih Muslim 1731

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

You’re analyzing things from an economic/strategic perspective, I’m analyzing it from a religious perspective. The goal of annexing their lands is for the sake of Islam. If we conquer them and establish the rule of Islam over them then we can work on Islamizing the population. Those who refuse to accept Islam will have to pay Jizyah and if they refuse to accept Islam or pay the Jizyah then we seek Allah’s help and fight them. Islam is an expansionist religion and we should try to expand our religion and convert the local population to the best of our ability.

“Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

Surah 9:29

“It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraida through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of the Muhajireen and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajireen. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muslims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated. When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah's Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah's behest with regard to them.”

Sahih Muslim 1731

Of course I am talking from a geopolitical perspective, religion, irredentism and racial propaganda is a cover for economic gains, when I say I would be OK with uniting with Ethiopia and Eritrea, I am looking to increase control over resources, even the Adal shared history is just a front for me, but also it does make sense to incooperate similar people.



In Ethiopia Somali, Oromo, Gumus, Southern Nationalities these are the resource rich people in Ethiopia, not Amhara, Tigray, Agawi, Afar. So I am not looking and the small, yet over populated former Abyssinian territory 1400s, I am looking at modern Ethiopia, former Adal territory, and I am looking further south, great lake regions and South sudan.

 

[SoMal]

Of course I am talking from a geopolitical perspective, religion, irredentism and racial propaganda is a cover for economic gains, when I say I would be OK with uniting with Ethiopia and Eritrea, I am looking to increase control over resources, even the Adal shared history is just a front for me, but also it does make sense to incooperate similar people.



In Ethiopia Somali, Oromo, Gumus, Southern Nationalities these are the resource rich people in Ethiopia, not Amhara, Tigray, Agawi, Afar. So I am not looking and the small, yet over populated former Abyssinian territory 1400s, I am looking at modern Ethiopia, former Adal territory, and I am looking further south, great lake regions and South sudan.

The main source of the Nile is in Amhara. Amhara, Oromia, and the Southern Nationalities have the most fertile lands.

 

[pirater]

Our constitution was created by the TPLF/UN. We have Islamic jurisprudence
to tackle these niche/modern issues.

when i speak about man made laws i'm talking about the FGM ban. this only exist because UN which is a non islamic organisation mandated it.

tf are you on. FGM is unislamic and harms women. its cultural and the UN was correct to ban a barbaric act

 

[World]

Our constitution was created by the TPLF/UN. We have Islamic jurisprudence
to tackle these niche/modern issues.

when i speak about man made laws i'm talking about the FGM ban. this only exist because UN which is a non islamic organisation mandated it.

Of all things to complain about, this nigga is complaining about fgm being banned.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Of all things to complain about, this nigga is complaining about fgm being banned.

Because it's propaganda against 3rd world nations. Female circumcision is perfectly legal in the West. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/22259-clitoral-hood-reduction

 

[World]

Because it's propaganda against 3rd world nations. Female circumcision is perfectly legal in the West. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/22259-clitoral-hood-reduction

Getting rid of fgm is the only good thing ngos have done. It is a barbaric tradition, 99 % of Somalis used to have fircooni which is sewing up the vagina. As a man why would you want that? Creepy, maybe you have some problems.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

The main source of the Nile is in Amhara. Amhara, Oromia, and the Southern Nationalities have the most fertile lands.

Not interested in the Nile thats flows north, as I have said I am more interested in the resource rich south towards Lake Victoria.

 

[Juke]

Because it's propaganda against 3rd world nations. Female circumcision is perfectly legal in the West. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/22259-clitoral-hood-reduction

Kinda different stuff sxb, the point of the hood reduction surgery is to expose the clitoris

 

[Removed]

Our constitution was created by the TPLF/UN. We have Islamic jurisprudence
to tackle these niche/modern issues.

when i speak about man made laws i'm talking about the FGM ban. this only exist because UN which is a non islamic organisation mandated it.

I agree brother im not defending the fgs that’s impossible. I am defending the concept of voting and enacting laws not directly from the Quran/Sunnah but from the judgement of the governing body.

“Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you”-EMQ Surah Nisa Ayah 59

 

[Indeed]

Look back in 2006, when the Islamic courts Union took over the country. Somalia would’ve been 100 percent United as one had it not been the USA and Ethiopia declaring war on Islamic courts Union. The Islamic courts Union was expanding and would’ve expand all the way to somaliland and the Somali region in Ethiopia. During the 6 month of Islamic courts Union rule, qabilism was banned, there wasn’t any more infighting, small militant groups were dismantled, law and order had been established for the first time since 1991. Full sharia law was established, the USA and Ethiopia didn’t like it and unfortunately the Islamic courts Union lost, and the USA and Ethiopia instead installed a muppet weak federal Government where they can’t control their back yard let alone the whole Mogadishu.
Somalia would’ve been different today had Islamic courts Union hadn’t lost, Somaliweyne would’ve been a reality under one sharia law , and the development, education and jobs would’ve been 100 times more than today.

 

[Indeed]

2006 Islamic courts Union expansion within Somalia in the last 7 months of their rule before Ethiopia got threatened and called their masters the USA to help them. The whole of Somaliweyne would’ve been under the Islamic courts Union under one sharia law within 2 years had it not been the USA helping Ethiopia against ICU.